Dutch will allow paedophile group

[shy slave]

A Dutch court has turned down a request to ban a political party with a paedophile agenda.
Judge HFM Hofhuis ruled that the Brotherly Love, Freedom and Diversity Party (PNVD) had the same right to exist as any other political party.

The PNVD was formed by three paedophiles in May, prompting outrage in Dutch society.

It seeks to lower the age of sexual consent from 16 to 12 and legalise child pornography and sex with animals.

"Freedom of expression...including the freedom to set up a political party can be seen as the basis for a democratic society," Judge Hofhuis said in the ruling, according to the Associated Press news agency.

"It is the right of the voter to judge the appeal of political parties," he said.

The ruling also noted that the party had not committed a crime.

PNVD's opponents had sought the ban, arguing that children had the right not to be confronted with the party's platform.

Taboos

The PNVD - which has only three known members - says its aim is to break taboos and fight intolerance.

It says it wants paedophilia to be freely discussed, arguing that a ban just makes children curious.

They claim the subject has been a taboo since the 1996 Marc Dutroux child abuse scandal in Belgium.

They also want to break the "negative" stigma surrounding paedophilia by getting into parliament.

But the PNVD says it is not just a one-issue party.

It also wants children from the age of 12 to be able to vote. It promotes the legalisation of hard and soft drugs and free train travel for all.

In order to take part in elections set for 22 November, the PNVD needs to submit a list of candidates and signatures of at least 30 supporters.

(Reported 17th July 2006 Here)

 

[catalina_francisco]

Age of consent here to my knowledge is already 12 as long as the other partner is in the same age range. The drug thing..I personally have no time for drugs...never tried them, never want to...but from what I have leard the Dutch laws have seen a steady decrease in addiction, other drug related health issues, and drug related crime...seems as with many things, once you make it illegal, it becomes more attractive and dangerous to play with. The laws regarding prostitution have had a similar effect. From my observations and discussions since living here, Dutch children are socialised way better than Oz and the US in terms of sexual activity. It is something which is treated as part of life, not something secret and forbidden thus arousing uninformed curiosity and experimentation...basically it is treated as just another part of life, and framed in a healthy way to be seen as such.

Of course, I really think the Dutch are more concerned about the fact their parliament has collapsed recently, and from my understanding over a good issue...that of an immigration minister wanting to implement some fairly strict and severe laws in regards to non-Dutch people. My thinking is, by allowing this party to have a right to stand for election, it takes a lot of power away from those supporting it, make it less sensational and thus attractive to some, and I imagine given the feelings of the general population, actually provides a platform for them to hang themselves and those who support their ideals to be publicly identifiable...when you look at it that way, it makes perfect sense.

Of course you can also look at the US and the various commune/groups supposedly based on relgion where girls much younger are being sexually abused, married to old men before the legal age, having babies to old men at 13, and being one of many 'wives' and which the governmant and legal system continues to stand by and look the other way.

Catalina

 

[wolf2002]

I strongly disagree with what that party stands for but I agree with the verdict cause I believe in the freedom of speech... I don't see much harm in discussing the subject...

Of course to some pedophiles it might create an 'semilegal' atmosphere to discuss this out in the open, but I guess these people are beyond help anyway... should we stop to publically discuss rape and incest just because it might give people bad ideas?

 

[catalina_francisco]

I strongly disagree with what that party stands for but I agree with the verdict cause I believe in the freedom of speech... I don't see much harm in discussing the subject...

Of course to some pedophiles it might create an 'semilegal' atmosphere to discuss this out in the open, but I guess these people are beyond help anyway... should we stop to publically discuss rape and incest just because it might give people bad ideas?

We think alike.

Catalina

 

[wolf2002]

We think alike.

Catalina

You live in Holland for too long. We infected you with the Dutch disease.

 

[catalina_francisco]

You live in Holland for too long. We infected you with the Dutch disease.

LOL, I have noticed.

Catalina

 

[incubus_rock]

hmm tis a tad strange and such, i was brought up in England so i had major restrictions on me, consequently i think the legalising child porn is disgusting (i hope i would of anyway) and the sex age to 12, is that medically healthy?

 

[FurryFury]

The age of consent is usually only enforced one way, and that is when adult fuck heads have sex with those under age. Under age kids as far as I know do not get prosecuted. Saying that they are curious is fine. Sure kids are curious. Making that a reason that kid porn is okay, or that adults can fuck kids is not okay in my book.

Fury

 

[davro]

A 12 year-old girl I know got drunk and had sex witha 15 year-old boy.Basically it really screwed her head up and she told her Mother.Her mother got the police involved but given the ages of those involved and the fact that it was totally consensual and the lad didn`t get her drunk,let alone for the purpose of having sex he was given a warning and told that if it happens again they`ll throw the book at him.This was after discussion with both kids and both sets of adults,the girl`s Mother was told she could push for prosecution but in the circumstances the result if it went to court would probably be the same.Personally I think the police did the right thing,everyone was involved,the girl`s a lot wiser wiser now,sadly a bit late.The boy`s been told if he does it again it`ll come back to haunt him and the police will do their utmost to prosecute and view his activity as more than a one-off youthful indiscretion.No-one really wanted the courts involved,would have meant social services and all kinds of other stuff they`re dealing with themselves.
In my view there are only 2 rules to anything sexual,they are "adult" and "consensual",I`d gladly break the fingers one by one of anyone I found out had gone outside of those boundaries.
Paedophiles turn my stomach,if i saw child porn on anyone`s computer,close friend or even family I`d call the police immiedietely,get mad even hearing about it.

 

[catalina_francisco]

The age of consent is usually only enforced one way, and that is when adult fuck heads have sex with those under age. Under age kids as far as I know do not get prosecuted. Saying that they are curious is fine. Sure kids are curious. Making that a reason that kid porn is okay, or that adults can fuck kids is not okay in my book.

Fury

That is why people can vote..like all things politically decided in a democracy, ideas and options are put forth, not all make it any further than the parliament sitting, or the voting booth. The age of consent issue can be effective with adults, but not always and not 100%. I know both my daughter and I were not legal when we took the plunge...I was aware of the age, but when the moment arrived it really had no influence on my decision which had been thought about for 6 months before making my choice.

Catalina

 

[FurryFury]

That is why people can vote..like all things politically decided in a democracy, ideas and options are put forth, not all make it any further than the parliament sitting, or the voting booth. The age of consent issue can be effective with adults, but not always and not 100%. I know both my daughter and I were not legal when we took the plunge...I was aware of the age, but when the moment arrived it really had no influence on my decision which had been thought about for 6 months before making my choice.

Catalina

As I said, I'm less concerned with what age a child first has sex when it is their choice than with it being legal and okay for an adult to push for sex with a child.

Fury

 

[catalina_francisco]

Unfortunately, making something taboo or illegal does not stop the seriously intending. At least the Dutch are alowing discussion to be opened, whereas the US authorities seems to want to pretend those communes do not exist despite many people giving first hand accounts and producing evidence publicly of what is happening to children at the hands of adults using them for sex. My feeling is, given the attitude here, discussion will have the desired effect of exposing those who have such desires, while also allowing the people to express their opinion through voting. Sexuality is part of the socialisation and life education process here throughout growing up years so I would be surprised if anything came of this whole idea. You would be amazed at the lengths they go to here to nurture and protect children in everyday life...puts places like the US, UK and Oz to shame.

Catalina

 

[FurryFury]

Unfortunately, making something taboo or illegal does not stop the seriously intending. At least the Dutch are alowing discussion to be opened, whereas the US authorities seems to want to pretend those communes do not exist despite many people giving first hand accounts and producing evidence publicly of what is happening to children at the hands of adults using them for sex. My feeling is, given the attitude here, discussion will have the desired effect of exposing those who have such desires, while also allowing the people to express their opinion through voting. Sexuality is part of the socialisation and life education process here throughout growing up years so I would be surprised if anything came of this whole idea. You would be amazed at the lengths they go to here to nurture and protect children in everyday life...puts places like the US, UK and Oz to shame.

Catalina

I hope it turns out the way you see it!

Fury

 

[E's Toy]

oke for the time being, the new group is allowed to join the elections, but here in Holland, the public is not gonna vote for this group anyway. I think more then 90% vote no........

 

[shy slave]

oke for the time being, the new group is allowed to join the elections, but here in Holland, the public is not gonna vote for this group anyway. I think more then 90% vote no........

Thats good to hear,
I believe in the right of free speech but i also believe the right of the voter to choose the 'no' option.

 

[E's Toy]

Thats good to hear,
I believe in the right of free speech but i also believe the right of the voter to choose the 'no' option.

yes the debat is now on, what is the freedom of speech here in Holland!