Drones against the Kremlin

[jomar]

Putin false flag or Ukrainian terrorism?

 

[butters]

Putin false flag or Ukrainian terrorism?

since he wasn't in residence, and needs to bolster patriotism in Russia after such bad news on the casualties front because he really wants the excuse to blitz Ukraine off the face of the world, i'd not be in the least surprised if it was putin's doing.

Nor would i be surprised if it was the work of factions out to remove putin (or force his hand by providing 'the reason' to attack with greater force) for their own benefit and who see him as 'weak', like the most extremist groups who want to go all in on Ukraine and then Europe.

those who want peace and putin out, either russians sympathising with Ukraine or Ukrainians within the russian borders? a possibility

Ukraine? i don't know but i doubt it, though (again) there may be extremist factions who might attempt this. why do i doubt this? a) Zelenskyy, and b) getting drones all the way to the residence without being detected and shot down/disabled from Ukraine has to be a difficult thing, no?

all in all, i'd believe it were russians (for whichever reason) rather than Ukraine citizens but accept i am biased.

 

[jaF0]

There are supposedly pictures of people on the roof just before and the 'explosion' is said to be about that of a large firework of some kind that left no real marks.


Plus, this is well beyond range of any known UKR devices.

 

[KeithD]

Putin false flag or Ukrainian terrorism?

I'd pick internal opposition.

 

[ll74]

Bullshit propaganda

 

[Dribble]

Bullshit propaganda

Yep. I vote this

 

[jomar]

I'd pick internal opposition.

At a high level. That’d be interesting.

 

[Pad_Foot]

Even if it’s Ukrainian, we call this terrorism?
Fuck No!!
Putin is at WAR
He is a War Criminal
The whole world should be trying to kill him and anyone who continues this travesty!!

 

[KeithD]

Even if it’s Ukrainian, we call this terrorism?
Fuck No!!
Putin is at WAR
He is a War Criminal
The whole world should be trying to kill him and anyone who continues this travesty!!

No, it wouldn't be terrorism. And to the extent that Putin himself would be the target, it would just be self-defense. Putin himself is the key to the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

 

[Lazaran]

Simple answer: It was Russia.

I do believe it was a desperate false flag operation conducted by Putin and his cronies. - The “dramatic” last second destruction of the “drones”, right as they were about to hit the Kremlin, looks like something straight out of a bad Russian movie. It looked obviously staged to my eye, based on the way a camera “just so happened” to center frame the event. - It was TOO perfect.

The conflicting reports out of Russia about how the “drones” were neutralized also suggests deception. One report said electronic countermeasures took out the “drones”, while others say they were shot down. To be honest, it looked to me like the “drones” self destructed right on cue.

The real question in my mind is: What truly horrific thing does Putin do based on this manufactured “outrage”. - The murders of civilians in Kherson today are probably an example of an initial “justified response” from the war criminals.

SAD!!!

 

[KeithD]

Simple answer: It was Russia.

I do believe it was a desperate false flag operation conducted by Putin and his cronies. -

I can't really see it as Putin's doing. Giving evidence to the Russian People that they can be attacked within the Kremlin? I don't see Putin voluntarily creating that, especially given the ground he has shaking under him.

 

[jaF0]

I can. he knows how bad things are in his 'special military operation'. Despite denials, it's pretty reasonably believed he's lost over 20,000 in just a couple of months. He's also running out of tanks and other equipment and ammunition. Western supplies are ramping up. Knowing he's getting his ass kicked, he's desperate to muster up additional support, including for using the big Kaboombas.

Oh, and his mouthpiece lost his big TV gig, so much less pro-Russia propaganda is flowing.

 

[KeithD]

I can. he knows how bad things are in his 'special military operation'. Despite denials, it's pretty reasonably believed he's lost over 20,000 in just a couple of months. He's also running out of tanks and other equipment and ammunition. Western supplies are ramping up. Knowing he's getting his ass kicked, he's desperate to muster up additional support, including for using the big Kaboombas.

How does manufacturing the knowledge/belief that he can be personally attacked within the walls of the Kremlin--by anyone, the Ukrainians or internal opposition--strengthen his hand in any way? I don't see any faction, at home or abroad, that would toughen support for him in his situation in the face of assassination attempts--especially inside the walls of the Kremlin. It is much too late for whoever is still with him to recast this as anything other than Putin's Folly.

 

[jaF0]

He wants the people behind him. He thinks he can do that by making them feel threatened. 'Look, they are attacking you in your home city. Look how bad they are and how we must destroy them.'

 

[Lazaran]

I can't really see it as Putin's doing. Giving evidence to the Russian People that they can be attacked within the Kremlin? I don't see Putin voluntarily creating that, especially given the ground he has shaking under him.

A cost benefit analysis would favor Putin doing it. (The timing is extremely suspicious as well.)

The potential nationalistic fervor that could be gained probably outweighed the potential embarrassment of an ALMOST successful attack on the Kremlin.

And could Ukraine really embarrass Putin and Russia any more than they already have???

IMHO, Putin definitely had more to gain from a false flag attack on the Kremlin than he had to lose.

*nods*

 

[KeithD]

He wants the people behind him. He thinks he can do that by making them feel threatened. 'Look, they are attacking you in your home city. Look how bad they are and how we must destroy them.'

The Russian people have already separated themselves from Putin. That ship has sailed. What is left to them on Putin is fear that he'll get them before they can get him at this point. This is a string of gaming going back through Stalin and the tsars. The very last thing Putin has left is exhibiting he is protected enough to get anyone first (e.g., all those oligarchs dying left and right). This drone incident doesn't serve that in any way. The Russians can tell themselves the Ukranians deserve what's happening to them, but that's separate from the status of their acceptance of Putin, who is bringing so much grief down on their heads and getting their sons killed ignominiously.

 

[KeithD]

Methinks you folks don't understand Russia and Russian leadership all that well. But it doesn't matter. What will be will be.

I'll just repeat that I think this is an internal opposition effort to show Putin's vulnerability and weakness--a step in regime change, a change that the Russians on the street will be just fine with.

 

[HisArpy]

Just like we'll never really know who blew up the Nordstream pipeline, we'll never really know who did this.

The really funny part is that most people don't care.

 

[LLCox]

Pootin has body doubles and never stays in the same place. Heck of a way to live.

 

[Rightguide]

The Russians attacked Kiev, so why is it a surprise if the Ukrainians achieved the ability to return the favor? It looked like a wimpy attack to me, just enough to give Putin an excuse to hit the seat of government in Ukraine.

 

[ll74]

The Russians attacked Kiev, so why is it a surprise if the Ukrainians achieved the ability to return the favor? It looked like a wimpy attack to me, just enough to give Putin an excuse to hit the seat of government in Ukraine.

There is no credible source confirming Ukranians were responsible.

 

[Rightguide]

There is no credible source confirming Ukranians were responsible.

I think either the Russian government did it or a domestic enemy within Russia. Putin could use it as an excuse to flatten Kyiv and decapitate the government.

 

[Rightguide]

Russia says U.S. was behind Kremlin drone attack, drawing quick denial​

By Mark Trevelyan

May 4 (Reuters) - Russia accused the United States on Thursday of being behind what it says was a drone attack on Moscow's Kremlin citadel intended to kill President Vladimir Putin.

A day after blaming Ukraine for what it called a terrorist attack, the Kremlin administration shifted the focus onto the United States, but without providing evidence. The White House was quick to reject the charge.

Ukraine has also denied involvement in the incident in the early hours of Wednesday, when video footage showed two flying objects approaching the Senate Palace inside the Kremlin walls and one exploding with a bright flash.

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"Attempts to disown this, both in Kyiv and in Washington, are, of course, absolutely ridiculous. We know very well that decisions about such actions, about such terrorist attacks, are made not in Kyiv but in Washington," said Putin's spokesman Dmitry Peskov.

More here: https://www.reuters.com/world/russi...hind-alleged-kremlin-drone-attack-2023-05-04/

Is anyone surprised?

 

[ll74]

I think either the Russian government did it or a domestic enemy within Russia. Putin could use it as an accuse to flatten Kyiv and decapitate the government.

Russia uses bullshit all the time to "excuse" their actions...for example, their initial invasion of Ukraine was based on other bullshit.

 

[Holy_Seduction]

their initial invasion of Ukraine was based on other bullshit.

You don’t suppose NATO’s 800 mile expansion since ‘91 up to Russia’s borders might have been an issue?