So, with Russia quickly imploding, revealing a paper tiger....

[SevMax2]

...it will be interesting to see if:

1. We can avoid nuclear brinkmanship as Putin grows more desperate. The willingness of some of the more hawkish Democrats and neocon, Romney-type Republicans to push the envelope there is a bit disturbing.
2. If the press can admit that we're not really in a second Cold War after pretending that we are for some odd reason. It's a proxy war, sure, but Putin's ability to command satellite states seems largely limited to Belarus and puppet states in eastern Ukraine (mostly oppressed and alienated ethnic minorities) and Georgia.
3. If, despite the waste of money given to line the pockets of politicians and cronies in Ukraine, we indeed got the best bang for our buck. The good news is that recent events have shown surprising strength by the Ukrainian military in terms of throwing the Russians off-balance, in spite of heavy losses to manpower and as well as the massive economic dislocation suffered by so many in Ukraine. Every Ukrainian killed or wounded in action against a Russian caught a bullet that an American or Israeli or German need never fear and the ability of Russia to force project in the future is severely compromised.
4. Russia's government even survives the present fiasco. I'm leaning toward implosion or disintegration myself, with more autonomous Russian territories simply breaking away over time.
5. The extent of Russian influence on media and social media, however limited, downplayed, embellished, or whatever, simply fades away.
6. BRICs slowly dissolves or rapidly collapses. It might be the former, as Russia's supposed partners might have invested a lot in this particular pipe dream out of ambition, only to see egg on their faces that they don't wish to acknowledge yet.
7. The loss of a sponsor like Russia will cause unraveling to expedite in Syria, Iran, North Korea, Belarus, Palestine, and Cuba. Most likely, I think so, yes. Many of those countries depend greatly on Russia's patronage, and while not vassal states for the most part, they represent what little clout the Kremlin retains in geopolitics.

Any thoughts?

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

...it will be interesting to see if:

1. We can avoid nuclear brinkmanship as Putin grows more desperate. The willingness of some of the more hawkish Democrats and neocon, Romney-type Republicans to push the envelope there is a bit disturbing.
2. If the press can admit that we're not really in a second Cold War after pretending that we are for some odd reason. It's a proxy war, sure, but Putin's ability to command satellite states seems largely limited to Belarus and puppet states in eastern Ukraine (mostly oppressed and alienated ethnic minorities) and Georgia.
3. If, despite the waste of money given to line the pockets of politicians and cronies in Ukraine, we indeed got the best bang for our buck. The good news is that recent events have shown surprising strength by the Ukrainian military in terms of throwing the Russians off-balance, in spite of heavy losses to manpower and as well as the massive economic dislocation suffered by so many in Ukraine. Every Ukrainian killed or wounded in action against a Russian caught a bullet that an American or Israeli or German need never fear and the ability of Russia to force project in the future is severely compromised.
4. Russia's government even survives the present fiasco. I'm leaning toward implosion or disintegration myself, with more autonomous Russian territories simply breaking away over time.
5. The extent of Russian influence on media and social media, however limited, downplayed, embellished, or whatever, simply fades away.
6. BRICs slowly dissolves or rapidly collapses. It might be the former, as Russia's supposed partners might have invested a lot in this particular pipe dream out of ambition, only to see egg on their faces that they don't wish to acknowledge yet.
7. The loss of a sponsor like Russia will cause unraveling to expedite in Syria, Iran, North Korea, Belarus, Palestine, and Cuba. Most likely, I think so, yes. Many of those countries depend greatly on Russia's patronage, and while not vassal states for the most part, they represent what little clout the Kremlin retains in geopolitics.

Any thoughts?

The collapse of Russia will lead to the collapse of the Republican Party.

 

[SmokingFap]

The collapse of Russia will lead to the collapse of the Republican Party.

I think they would just casually move on to slavishly supporting China.

 

[SmokingFap]

...it will be interesting to see if:

1. We can avoid nuclear brinkmanship as Putin grows more desperate. The willingness of some of the more hawkish Democrats and neocon, Romney-type Republicans to push the envelope there is a bit disturbing.
2. If the press can admit that we're not really in a second Cold War after pretending that we are for some odd reason. It's a proxy war, sure, but Putin's ability to command satellite states seems largely limited to Belarus and puppet states in eastern Ukraine (mostly oppressed and alienated ethnic minorities) and Georgia.
3. If, despite the waste of money given to line the pockets of politicians and cronies in Ukraine, we indeed got the best bang for our buck. The good news is that recent events have shown surprising strength by the Ukrainian military in terms of throwing the Russians off-balance, in spite of heavy losses to manpower and as well as the massive economic dislocation suffered by so many in Ukraine. Every Ukrainian killed or wounded in action against a Russian caught a bullet that an American or Israeli or German need never fear and the ability of Russia to force project in the future is severely compromised.
4. Russia's government even survives the present fiasco. I'm leaning toward implosion or disintegration myself, with more autonomous Russian territories simply breaking away over time.
5. The extent of Russian influence on media and social media, however limited, downplayed, embellished, or whatever, simply fades away.
6. BRICs slowly dissolves or rapidly collapses. It might be the former, as Russia's supposed partners might have invested a lot in this particular pipe dream out of ambition, only to see egg on their faces that they don't wish to acknowledge yet.
7. The loss of a sponsor like Russia will cause unraveling to expedite in Syria, Iran, North Korea, Belarus, Palestine, and Cuba. Most likely, I think so, yes. Many of those countries depend greatly on Russia's patronage, and while not vassal states for the most part, they represent what little clout the Kremlin retains in geopolitics.

Any thoughts?

I've been following the economic demise of Russia for a bit now. The citizens there are used to barely eking out a life; the oligarchs are who Putin really needs to worry about. And their corrupt military leaders seem amenable to carrying out the wishes of the highest bidder. Including removing Putin from power. Maybe even deleting him.

 

[Lazaran]

Thoughts???



I believe this thread is an effort to distract from Russia’s recently exposed ATTACK on America using COMPLICIT traitors in the right wing media cabal to spread Russian propaganda that undermined America, Ukraine, NATO, and DEMOCRACY., while simultaneously propping up Putin’s orange puppet in that traitorous orange POS’s presidential run.

I also believe the thread starter is a traitorous POS who is also complicit in undermining America, Ukraine, NATO, and DEMOCRACY, and is propping up the corrupt orange traitor by propagating a bothaidesism bullshit narrative.

GTFOH

FOAD

TIA

 

[SevMax2]

Amazing how ignored members ignore their ignore status to post in my thread....wow.

 

[DeluxAuto]

Amazing how ignored members ignore their ignore status to post in my thread....wow.

Who did that?

 

[icanhelp1]

Amazing how ignored members ignore their ignore status to post in my thread....wow.

Lazaran suffers from TDS on a galactic scale.

 

[Philthy_Phil]

Amazing how ignored members ignore their ignore status to post in my thread....wow.

You can't see if an ignored member posts in your thread.

Care to try again?

 

[SevMax2]

I got a brief notification that an ignored member posted, so that's fascinating.

 

[Lazaran]

Lazaran suffers from TDS on a galactic scale.

ineedhelp1

 

[Lazaran]

Amazing how ignored members ignore their ignore status to post in my thread....wow.

This is ultimately Putin’s thread, so…

GTFOH

FOAD

TIA

 

[DeluxAuto]

Lazaran suffers from TDS on a galactic scale.

Traitor says what?

You can't see if an ignored member posts in your thread.
Care to try again?

He's an idiot on a galactic scale.

I got a brief notification that an ignored member posted, so that's fascinating.

No you didn't.

 

[SevMax2]

Traitor says what?

He's an idiot on a galactic scale.

No you didn't.

Whatever, dude. How else would I know that there was an ignored member posting? Believe whatever you want. Maybe it was a glitch.

 

[DeluxAuto]

Whatever, dude. How else would I know that there was an ignored member posting? Believe whatever you want. Maybe it was a glitch.

You can say whatever you want. Prove it.

 

[Saint_Ann]

Didn't Russia already implode? Thanks to Reagan. Republican.

 

[Chernosoth]

Nations are still eager to join BRICS and ignore sanctions. I could believe Russia is losing when BRICS becomes BICS, or there is some sort of overwhelming defeat that is obvious without the propaganda. The Kursk offensive looks like Ukraine's last desperate move with the last of their reserves.

 

[HisArpy]

I got a brief notification that an ignored member posted, so that's fascinating.

Iggy doesn't actually work because the forum software blabs to you that someone you've ignored is "doing something you might be interested in so go take a quick look."

The only actual iggy that works are where any posts which are started by someone on your iggy list don't show at all. Posts in threads however = different story.

 

[ll74]

Putin likes to scare right wingers.

He's all bluster and dick waving

 

[RobDownSouth]

That's a pretty succinct analysis of the Russian situation (and, coincidentally, runs contrary to RightGuide's yearlong 'Russia is Winning! WINNING DAMMIT!!" narrative ).

I agree with all of your points with the exception of number 5 and I'm a tad leery of number 4.

Russia is pretty much a kleptocracy/oligarchy at this point, if the government does fail I'm fairly certain that one or more oligarch will be ready to step in Putin basically dismantled the State Security apparatus that he rose to the top in, probably to prevent someone from toppling him, so there is really no check on concentrated power

Re: Point 5. If there is one thing in the world that Russia is unmatched in, it is propaganda. They've honed their abilities since 1917. I don't see a scenario where Russia does NOT at least attempt to interfere with the free elections of other countries.