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I can't explain it briefly (there was a man from Transylvania), but I have special feelings for Romania. Given the country's history of the past few decades I found this article incredibly sad. - Perdita
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Dracula Theme Park: Idea That Just Won't Die
By JOHN TAGLIABUE - NY Times (1.11.2004)

No one knows Vlad the Impaler's drinking tastes beyond, well, his favorite refreshment. Yet a beer brewer and a soft-drink bottler are two early sponsors of a proposed theme park in Romania to be built around the character of Dracula.

The park would include a golf course, a water park, some Dracula-inspired rides and a variety of other family attractions, on a site just north of Bucharest rather than in Vlad's native Transylvania.

Dracula was a nickname for Prince Vlad the Impaler, a real 15th-century figure in Romanian history, as the ruler of Walachia. But in the West, the name Dracula refers to the vampire character in Bram Stoker's 1897 gothic novel of the same name.

Over the years, the fictional Dracula grew in popularity and turned up in all sorts of shapes, played in the movies by Bela Lugosi and Christopher Lee. One of his last major appearances was in the 1992 film by Francis Ford Coppola, "Bram Stoker's 'Dracula,' " in which he is called Vlad.

About the time the Coppola movie appeared, Romanians themselves were discovering that they could market the fictional Dracula. Nicolae Paduraru recalls how in 1993, four years after the collapse of Communism in Romania, he founded the Transylvanian Society of Dracula in Sighisoara, his and Vlad's hometown. The idea, he said in a recent phone conversation, was to attract scholars and historians to explore both the historical figure and the Victorian tale.

Without sponsors, the society foundered until Mr. Paduraru, a former tourism ministry official, hatched the idea to raise funds by organizing tours of Vlad's old territories. A company that Mr. Paduraru also founded in 1993, Mysterious Journeys, markets through travel agents and its own Web site (www.mysteriousjourneys.com) trips to Vlad's major haunts in Transylvania, costing $60 to $70 a day.

Mr. Paduraru says there have been dozens of proposals for Dracula parks across Romania, in towns like Brasov and Poienari, and at the Borgo Pass. Most notable was a plan, proposed by the minister of tourism in 2001, for a park at Sighisoara. A company was set up, with the town council of Sighisoara as its main shareholder.

But Sighisoara is a Unesco World Heritage Site as "a fine example of a small, fortified medieval town," and outraged opposition from cultural organizations, environmental groups like Greenpeace and celebrities like Prince Charles caused the Romanians to step back. In the end, the government commissioned a feasibility study and last year proposed building the park not in Transylvania, but near Bucharest.

Some, like Mr. Paduraru, objected.

"If you visit Sherlock Holmes, you don't go to Manchester, you go to London,'' he said. "Romeo and Juliet are not in Milan, they're in Verona.''

Nevertheless, in October the Romanian government approved the plan. A new company, Dracula Park S.A., was established to find investors and begin design and construction. Sorin Marica, a tourism ministry official who is president of Dracula Park, said cost estimates range from $47 million to $82 million.

In an e-mail message, Mr. Marica said the park would feature "all the classical attractions of amusement parks,'' like roller coasters and other rides; a golf course; a water park; tracks for horse and automobile races; and models of Romanian cities and famous buildings. He said work was expected to begin in the spring.

Officials like Mr. Marica estimate that the park will attract as many as a million visitors a year, perhaps 20 percent of them foreign tourists, drawing investment and jobs. Two early investors, the Coca-Cola Hellenic Bottling Company and Brau Union, Austria's largest brewery, have signed on, pledging $150,000 and $500,000.

Yet some argue that the last thing that Romania - with a floundering economy, widespread corruption and one of the lowest per-capita incomes in Europe - needs is a Dracula theme park. Last year, Arpad Bako, a member of a citizens group that helped stop the project in Sighisoara, asserted that Romanian families, with an average monthly income of about $60, could hardly afford the projected $5 entrance fee and the further $5 visitors would have to spend to make the park profitable.

"A family of four would have to spend $40, nearly one month's income," Mr. Bako wrote in a newspaper article.

David Camp, a theme park consultant with Economics Research Associates in London, is equally pessimistic. While there "seems to be several suppliers that are driving it forward," he said of the plan, there is still uncertainty how the rest of the money would be raised.

Another problem, Mr. Camp said, is that "the plan is to boost tourism.'' Yet with the exception of Orlando and the Disneyland Paris park in France, he said, theme parks are visited by local and regional residents.

The sponsors are not fazed. Michael Bickstein, a spokesman for Brau Union, said the brewery had exclusive rights to promote and sell beer in the park for 10 years; Coca-Cola Hellenic has a similar arrangement.

"When the park is finished,'' he said, "Dracula won't be drinking blood, but beer.''

But barring some preternatural event for which Transylvania has a certain tradition, Dracula may have to make do with blood for a good while to come.
 
Well the park certainly can't hurt the economy of the location. It may even help it with jobs and displacement of goods. Yea the article is sad because of the local peoples misfortune, but if nothing is ever started to try and improve the problem the problem will only increase with time.

Theme parks are not top on my priorities. Living next door to Orlando I still find them more annoying than entertaining to visit. Have you visited a theme park lately $50+ to enter and God forbid you would like a hotdog or something to drink. Just take out a loan in toon-town bank to pay for it!
 
Gawd, Phil. I just looked at your AV and thought of Dildo-dom theme park (you being the architect).

Perdita :D
 
Hmm, I think his AV looks more like Bob the Dildo, with his little workman's cap.:D

(sorry Phil, you probably get that one a lot!)
 
wishfulthinking said:
Hmm, I think his AV looks more like Bob the Dildo, with his little workman's cap.:D

(sorry Phil, you probably get that one a lot!)

Bo-o-o-b the Dildo
Can he fuck it?
Bo-o-o-b the dildo
Yes he can.

Gauche
 
gauchecritic said:
Bo-o-o-b the Dildo
Can he fuck it?
Bo-o-o-b the dildo
Yes he can.
Ah, ha ha, Gauche. I hope that's not a preview of your first poem. ;)

Perdita
 
I once stayed for a few days in an Anaheim motel across the street from Disneyland, and didn't step foot in the theme park. Such attractions are not big draws for me. I came to life a few days later when we moved on to Vegas. Nevertheless, this thread intrigues me.

The real Vlad was a terrible character. He is distinguished in history by his sheer infamy. Fictional vampires are tame compared to the real Vlad. For this reason I find it hard to imagine a theme park that celebrates him for what he truly was.
 
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gauchecritic said:
Bo-o-o-b the Dildo
Can he fuck it?
Bo-o-o-b the dildo
Yes he can.

Gauche

Oh no.... please stop...... song.... stuck.... in.... head.... won't.... go.... away.... *groan*

Whisp :rose:
 
Yet some argue that the last thing that Romania - with a floundering economy, widespread corruption and one of the lowest per-capita incomes in Europe - needs is a Dracula theme park. Last year, Arpad Bako, a member of a citizens group that helped stop the project in Sighisoara, asserted that Romanian families, with an average monthly income of about $60, could hardly afford the projected $5 entrance fee and the further $5 visitors would have to spend to make the park profitable.

I have to say, even though I think theme and amusement parks tacky and commercial, I think the park, if done properly, would be a good idea.

> Kids see these places as magical, and it is terrific family fun.
> the economy is struggling, and tourism is the biggest exporter in countries like Ireland.
> local families might not be able to afford it, but there is nothing to stop them from offering a locals discount (for instance, people living near windsor get into the castle for free)
> work! From building to operating kiosks
> urban redevelopment - upgrading of existing infrastructure in the area such as roads, sewage etc

Among a few things.

Yes, I know there are a lot of downsides, like don't we have enough already? But without knowing more, I'm not against it.

Cheers, WT
 
I'm not against it either. As I said, I have a special nearly inexplicable fondness for Romania. Of course I think the theme should be woven about the myth of Dracula (vs. the actual Vlad). The sadness came for me in thinking about the realities of the poor nation and the people, vs. how easy it is for Disney, or even Dolly Parton, to put up such establishments.

Perdita
 
wishfulthinking said:
I have to say, even though I think theme and amusement parks tacky and commercial, I think the park, if done properly, would be a good idea....Yes, I know there are a lot of downsides, like don't we have enough already? But without knowing more, I'm not against it.

Cheers, WT

Agreed, Romania needs all the help it can get, and if the park is built on the Dracula legend as Perdita suggests, then I agree it could be a good idea. If built to make a spectacle of Vlad The Impaler, however, it might be like building a monument to Adolf Hitler at Auschwitz.
 
Commercially, it would make more sense to build a theme park around the theme of dracular legend, because thanks to hollywood he is more famous than his actual inspiration. But then again, people like gore - look at all the crime shows and tv specials on famous serial killers and the like. It is a hard one.
 
wishfulthinking said:
... people like gore...
Think romantic gore, Wishful. I think of orgasmic bites and that special metaphorical hunger. The park could have an xxx-adults-only section. Yeah, I can be a pervy sort (but with fond memories of a real Transylvanian bloke).

Perdita :p
 
Think romantic gore, Wishful. I think of orgasmic bites and that special metaphorical hunger. The park could have an xxx-adults-only section. Yeah, I can be a pervy sort (but with fond memories of a real Transylvanian bloke).

LOL

Now we're talking. The first adults only theme park (forget section!).

Can you imagine some of the attractions - the haunted house - orgasmic bites in the dark. Sigh.
 
I wouldn't want to go to a Dracula Theme Park. I've read too much about the real, historical Dracula.

Torture, murder, and a horrible disrespect for the corpses.



I'd say that the only thing that Hollywood's elegant, sensitive Dracula has in common with the original, is the name!
 
Originally posted by perdita IDracula Theme Park: Idea That Just Won't Die
Dear Perdita,
I read about that project in "Smithsonian" a few months ago. I thought it was ...... tawdry? ... Sad? ... Stupid?

I guess someone will make a theme park out of almost anything, though. A roller coaster is a roller coaster, whether it's called the "Flying Dumbo" or the "Jugular."

Anything goes, apparently, in pursuit of the almighty Euro.

MG
 
You're right Maths!

They should construct an $82 million dollar theme park called "Phildo World". You know if they build it people would cum.

Hell, I might consider going to see that!
 
Thanks, Phil. You brought me up after Maths put in her killjoy two cents.

Perdita ;)
 
I don't know. These things evoke many mixed feelings in me. On the one hand, the people in the former Eastern Bloc generally do need boosts to their economy. On the other, it seems like a awful perversion of history and a sort of whoring out of the locals.

The historian in me really wants to scream, "Ack! NOOOO!" just like it did when Disney wanted to build a Civil War theme park in Northern Virginia. (And thank god *that* didn't get built.) But Novans don't need the cash flow the way Romanians do.

All that said, if it gets built, I'd probably want to go, just to see what it looks like.

I'm still waiting for the Russians to build the Revolutionary Theme Park just outside of Peter I's Summer Palace...
 
Mhari said:
I'm still waiting for the Russians to build the Revolutionary Theme Park just outside of Peter I's Summer Palace...
Mhari, will you be attending the Sotheby auction of the ten Faberge eggs? Which one will you go after? Let's lunch at the Russian tea room and discuss.

Perdita :rolleyes:
 
perdita said:
Mhari, will you be attending the Sotheby auction of the ten Faberge eggs? Which one will you go after? Let's lunch at the Russian tea room and discuss.
What a most excellent idea, Perdita! It is awfully hard to choose just one egg - you'll definitely have to help me! I'm sort of thinking the Coronation Egg, though. What do you think?

Back on topic for a moment... Here's a link to an interesting bit about the connections between Stoker's Dracula and Vlad: http://www.ucs.mun.ca/~emiller/kalo.htm

When shall we meet, Perdita? I'm longing for some bliny with caviar!! :cool:
 
So what the hell kind of rides are "Dracula inspired"? Blood-letting, or for the socially responsible blood donating, and a ride called "The Impaler" at which you fly up into the air at 200 miles an hour then plumet down and impale yourself on a spike, they then plunge the spike into the ground and leave you to die (it took about 3 days when Vlad did it I'm told).
 
Hola, Sancho. Good to see you back. I like the idea of blood-donations. The rest, nah. Amusement parks should not be like real life, eh? What's amusing about that? ;)

Perdita
 
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