Don K Dyck

[Orlanth]

I love you too

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You got some Milk to go with them?

 

[p_p_man]

That Bali bombing was like Aussies very own mini-version of 9/11.

This months Men's Journal has a big article all about it, from first-hand account and photos of the innocent people killed.

Yet I don't see any indignation or rants over the dozens of Aussies killed by those fuckers by "Donkey".

It’s just disconcerting, how it seems to be ignored by him IMO.

It's a different way of looking at things that's all. Americans tend to go into hysterical panic and cries for revenge. Others tend to to view terrorist situations with a balance born from experience.

You didn't hear many Brits on the Board saying 'kill those fuckers' after 9/11 even though we had our own dead in the rubble...

Likewise you didn't hear many Brits spitting venom after Bali although Brits were killed as well.

ppman

 

[Gil_Favor]

It's a different way of looking at things that's all. Americans tend to go into hysterical panic and cries for revenge. Others tend to to view terrorist situations with a balance born from experience.

You didn't hear many Brits on the Board saying 'kill those fuckers' after 9/11 even though we had our own dead in the rubble...

ppman

"Americans tend to go into hysterical panic" and you, tend to generalize

 

[Vinny]

PP that is pretty darn ignorant. If it was done on Brit soil I thing Revenge would have been their rallying cry as well

 

[p_p_man]

PP that is pretty darn ignorant. If it was done on Brit soil I thing Revenge would have been their rallying cry as well

We've had so many atrocities on Brit soil it hardly makes the headlines any more.

But disregarding where New York and Bali happened we still had dead people.

We just don't rush into revenge like America does. And let's face it the 'revenge' against Afghanistan hasn't resulted in a very satisfactory conclusion has it?

ppman

 

[Orlanth]

PP that is pretty darn ignorant. If it was done on Brit soil I thing Revenge would have been their rallying cry as well

Not every country like the USA.

I'm sure Brit wouldn't be happy if 9/11 happened to them. But they didn't make an enamy with someone like Bin Ladin.

You Americans are the arrogent bunch. Have you ever thought of why the USA's WTC got hit? It is wrong that 9/11 happened, but why did it happen?

 

[QuickDuck]

*duck and cover*

 

[cybergirly]

It's a different way of looking at things that's all. Americans tend to go into hysterical panic and cries for revenge. Others tend to to view terrorist situations with a balance born from experience.

You didn't hear many Brits on the Board saying 'kill those fuckers' after 9/11 even though we had our own dead in the rubble...

Likewise you didn't hear many Brits spitting venom after Bali although Brits were killed as well.

ppman

I think experience is the key word there. 9/11 was something new for America, something that has happened in the past to Americans, but never on her soil.

It's a sad point the world has come to when so many can just shove it (or any terrorist act) aside as something that we have to live with.

I don't personally believe that revenge is the only or right answer. But if any country that faces terrorism on a regular basis has found that answer I'm sure we'd all like to know what it is.

 

[p_p_man]

I don't personally believe that revenge is the only or right answer. But if any country that faces terrorism on a regular basis has found that answer I'm sure we'd all like to know what it is.

Terrorism cannot be defeated in the accepted sense. Sections of it can be destroyed but other sections will still be around to continue the killing. Going after al Qaida may well have satisfied the need to do something for Americans but it hasn't destroyed the organisation. In fact it can be argued that by bringing the Taliban into the argument and destroying Afghanistan America has exacerbated the problem by turning it into an anti-Islam fight.

The UK could never have defeated the IRA in the accepted sense either. The organisation had too firm a hold and we were in fact fighting second generation provisionals. The killing, like the killing in Palestine, could have gone on and on.

We decided to talk to the terrorists and bring them into the framework of government and now we are on a long painful road to peace in Northern Ireland. It won't be easy and there will be setbacks, but at least we've passed tentively through the killing stage.

Al Qaida is different. It's an overseas organisation, not home grown, but the same solution is still possible. Talk to them. Find out what drives them. Become more allied with the Islamic countries in order to sit down at the table with al Qaida...

Then take it from there.

But my point on this thread is that America won't. Steeped in a culture of violence your only reaction to being hit is to hit back harder.

As Sharon and the UK discovered...

It doesn't work.

ppman

 

[SINthysist]

Yes. Indeed. p_p_man, you've hit upon it. We should have turned the other cheek. We should learn from the British and Israelis and accept terrorism as part of our daily lives and understand that these people are simply at war with us and having no army, they must do what they must do, so let them. We should reach out to them, understand their grievances, and join with them shoulder to shoulder in the fight against ourselves. Let’s enter a pact shall we p_p_, you and I, let’s suicide bomb our respective families and free them from the tyranny of their daily lives. With our life's savings, we can, at the very least, offer a bit of restitution to these noble, down-trodden warriors of Islam...

 

[SINthysist]

You really believe you are past the killing stage because you're talking?

We talked the shit out of North Korea...

Worked!

 

[SINthysist]

For them...

 

[Ladybird]

That Bali bombing was like Aussies very own mini-version of 9/11.

This months Men's Journal has a big article all about it, from first-hand account and photos of the innocent people killed.

Yet I don't see any indignation or rants over the dozens of Aussies killed by those fuckers by "Donkey".

It’s just disconcerting, how it seems to be ignored by him IMO.

How wrong you are.

I find it disconcerting that you've started a thread based on an assumption.

Don and the rest of us Aussies here were horrified. There's a thread here somewhere, where we all spoke of how we felt about the tragedy. Some of our neighbouring kiwi's joined us.

Try looking for fact, not assumption, before you criticise someone.

 

[SINthysist]

Why shouldn't he leap to a conclusion?

Don is quick to leap to a conspiracy...

 

[Orlanth]

Why shouldn't he leap to a conclusion?

Don is quick to leap to a conspiracy...

And you're quick to annoy.

 

[Ladybird]

Why shouldn't he leap to a conclusion?

Don is quick to leap to a conspiracy...

Interesting, so what you're saying is that because I perceive something as wrong, and you perceive something else as wrong, they balance each other out, and everything's ok?

You're not a politician, are you??

 

[SINthysist]

And you're quick to annoy.

Me or you?

 

[SINthysist]

Interesting, so what you're saying is that because I perceive something as wrong, and you perceive something else as wrong, they balance each other out, and everything's ok?

You're not a politician, are you??

No, what I'm saying is anything going on between Don and Fri is the pot calling the kettle black!

 

[SINthysist]

Here's some proof:

http://www.literotica.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=138841

 

[Don K Dyck]

Hi Frimost . . . In Reply.

Here's some proof:

http://www.literotica.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=138841

Hi SIN . . . did you enjoy the story about the Rambo Granny?? Don't know what it has to do with this thread topic though . . .

I've just checked Frimost's details . . . for an alleged 25 year old kid . . . you know SIN, you and Ishmael are gunna have to find some much better recruits, or the CIA will gain a reputation for recruiting idiots!!

In Oz we discuss politics as a matter of daily discourse . . . many aussies dislike the present Liberal Party conservative government because it is seen to be too far up the bum (AKA arse) of Dubyah Shrub . . . Oz is a democracy where freedom of speech about political matters is an implied right within the Oz Constitution . . .

Too many aussies remember the debacle that was Vietnam, and DON'T want to go there again, or Afghanistan, or Iraq or Iran or Saudi Arabia, ESPECIALLY with the U$ . . . besides, our rubberband RAAF and sailing ship RAN would barely carry the almost two divisions of Army that could be mustered from the desk jockeys and sick parade . . . (but don't mess with our SAS boys . . . they are winners!! ask Dubyah) . . .

Oz will lose too much by joining the U$-Iraq War for Control of Undeveloped Middle East Oil Reserves . . . an $US 840 million per year wheat export contract for starters, a huge live sheep export industry, not to mention some of the finest soldiers in the world . . .

Now Frimost, I lurked your recent debate with Crysede with much interest. Your personal experience as told there was a useful example of what can (and allegedly did) happen.

I would say that on a public site purporting to be a free speech site I can hold any opinion about any topic that I damn well please . . . anti-aussie, pro-Pom, neutral-nerd . . . if you don't like it, don't read it . . . THAT is always YOUR chice . . .

But then as an operative of the CIA, there would be other ulterior motives, such as misinforming anybody silly enough to listen to your pathetic excuses for U$ imperialism in the Middle East . . . entrapment of other posters . . . indeed, doing everything possible to destroy anybody who holds a commonsense view which is different from your own . . . because the objective of the CIA and FBI is to sell the "necessity" of the U$-Iraq War for Control of the Undeveloped Middle East Oil Reserves . . .

Ugly Americans such as yourself have been the bain of the free world for over 50 years . . .

Thanks to Orlanth, Ladybird, OC and others for their kind words . . .

Now I suggest that this thread be allowed to die . . .

 

[Frimost]

Don, all I'm looking for is for you to tell me that my suspicions were unfounded. Tell me that I am wrong about you, that you were very sad and angered about what happened on Bali and pissed-off at the fucking scumbag Islamic fundamentalists that did it. That's all; not for any reason other than so that I don't lose what little respect you have gained with me from past posts where you gained some credibility in my eyes.

CIA? lol I'm flattered...