Doms Fucked on Craigslist

[Couture]

So, Mr. Funny Guy goes on Craigslist and fills out an ad for sexual service, to the effect of subgirl looking for sadistic dom. Write me and send a picture.

The account is then barraged with emails from willing men. Their emails and pictures are subsequently posted on the internet to humiliate them.

How do you feel about this? Is this Free Speech ?

I don't know about you, but I'm getting pretty sick of all this dateline humiliate the pervert stuff. Why don't they just take a hot naked chick and put her on mainstreet and then electrify the ground all around her. Then every shmuck that tries to fuck her gets shocked to death. Then we could all breathe a sigh of relief that the bastards got what was coming to them.

Well, I guess the women would, because there probably wouldn't be any men left in the world.

 

[3113]

So, Mr. Funny Guy goes on Craigslist and fills out an ad for sexual service, to the effect of subgirl looking for sadistic dom. Write me and send a picture.

The account is then barraged with emails from willing men. Their emails and pictures are subsequently posted on the internet to humiliate them.

While the "dateline humiliate the pervert stuff" (nicely encapsulated!) does annoy me, I also have to say that if a person is going to show their name and face on the interent...well, they take their chances. The internet is not a safe place--it's still in it's infancy and rather like the wild west. Anything goes whether it's right, wrong, ethical, fair or unfair.

THAT said, I will add that I'm waiting for the whole "reality" bubble to pop. People are way too willing to expose themselves to strangers in ways that NO ONE would have considered a mere ten years ago. They'll go on televison, tell their deepest secrets, display every weakness, let strangers in an audience verbally abuse them, or vote them on or off an island. They'll go on-lline and display not only their genitals, but every kinky desire and thought.

It's one thing if Dateline says, "We'll offer a fair and balanced report--" and then screws its interviewees by biasly making them look bad. It's quite another if people expose themselves to strangers in a medium that affords little to no privacy and then get outraged when they're mocked.

You can yell if someone takes compromising pictures of you unasked and then posts them on the internet. But if you, yourself post them, you really can't complain if they end up on various blogs and websites--and get unmercifully commented on by idiots. Nature of the beast. And the sooner people realize this, the less this shit is likely to keep happening.

 

[Couture]

While the "dateline humiliate the pervert stuff" (nicely encapsulated!) does annoy me, I also have to say that if a person is going to show their name and face on the interent...well, they take their chances. The internet is not a safe place--it's still in it's infancy and rather like the wild west. Anything goes whether it's right, wrong, ethical, fair or unfair.

THAT said, I will add that I'm waiting for the whole "reality" bubble to pop. People are way too willing to expose themselves to strangers in ways that NO ONE would have considered a mere ten years ago. They'll go on televison, tell their deepest secrets, display every weakness, let strangers in an audience verbally abuse them, or vote them on or off an island. They'll go on-lline and display not only their genitals, but every kinky desire and thought.
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You're assuming that horny men are rational...

 

[Pure]

i can only see more of this, couture.

you're probably aware of persons trolling for pedophiles so as to post their pictures, addresses and phones.

you're probably aware of the sites and places that off 'pregnancy counselling' and try to stall the client till it's too late, so as to yield an adoptable baby

i can see Southern Baptists trolling for homos.

i see it either going to a 'fall of Rome' free for all' or a savage counter-reaction, when the US treats the internet like China does, and throws you in jail should you get past the safety patrols. 'cept as you know, for Americans, sex is the danger, not politics.

as to your statement
//Why don't they just take a hot naked chick and put her on mainstreet and then electrify the ground all around her. Then every shmuck that tries to fuck her gets shocked to death.//

Every night, young police women are conscripted to put on the short skirts and hang out on the hookers' streets. Any man stopping and inquiring about the 'deal' is arrested for soliciting. Then tried, if unlucky. There may even be neighborhood vigilates aroudn to note his license plate number and take his picture, for posting.


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for reference, here is the ad. it's a bit over the top and unbelievable--sort of 'come fuck me right now for free'. male dreams triumph.

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i have everything that i need at my place....that is where we will play....no exceptions............. we will play at my place...got it??????????

i fuckin hate yuppies [ iam one].... pretty boys suck......i fuckin hate them all......all they can do is cum for 2.2 seconds and go 2 sleep..........looking 4 ruff man, harley rider.

it drives me krazy 2 get tit fucked, cuffed, ass spanked with welts and bruises [never any marks on my hands or arms], i have a leg spreader, crop, cane and metal cuffs. spit on me, verbally abuse , and cum [i don't give a fuck about the size of ur cock, as i like small ones]on my nips and face. pull my hair. i don't get fucked in my ass since my hole is tite..........don't even try or think about it.

i am 27 yo sexy str8 woman, 5 ft 7 in, 145 lbs [tennis player] long brown hair, small tits with eraser sized nips and d/d free, safe and sane.

dom fucker, get this..........u better be fuckin tuff enuff 2 handle me and a fucking bastard who thrives on giving pain.....my safe word is code blue. i need it extreme/edge, that is the only way......if this isn't ur bag.......then fuck off.

i am looking 4 a white or latin only, str8 brutal dom muscular male

[30-35 yo] who is arrogant, self-centered, nasty, egotistic, sadistic who likes 2 give intense pain and discipline and wants pleasured who is d/d free, safe and sane.

i demand an expert muscular man needs who demands 2 get serviced by this hot kinky professional woman........this is not a fuckin portal site, so if u get paranoid on me, fuck off.

 

[Couture]

It looks like several people have already been identified. With more on the way now that it has been slashdotted.

Imagine someone PM'ing you on Literotica. A little cyber and they send you a fake photo. You send them a real one. More cybering. Next thing you know, you find an internet site up with all personal conversations and nudie pics. You are fired from work and your personal life is shot.

 

[Pure]

yep, that's quite a real possibility, though as you say, the perv angle gives the game a little extra zing.

unfortunately, many male consumers of sexual services are at a disadvantage, besides being dick-headed. because they are numerous, they almost have to give some of their real data to get anywhere. indeed, i've advised women friends to secure verified data before meeting anyone.

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

While I agree with some of Couture's concerns, I find it rather odd coming from someone who recently attacked me for my "perverse" lifestyle. Is this more personal for him/her? Has he/she gotten a taste of his or her own judgemental medicine, and disliked it?

But regarding the Dateline deal, my understanding is that they are going after people who break the age of consent laws (pedophiles and others). Now, one can argue about the age of consent laws, but several of those men were after really young children, if I understand correctly, ones of which there can be no real doubt that they would be victims. That's a far cry from the activities of consenting adults. What's wrong with "entrapping" child molesters?

 

[Jenny_Jackson]

While I agree with some of Couture's concerns, I find it rather odd coming from someone who recently attacked me for my "perverse" lifestyle. Is this more personal for him/her? Has he/she gotten a taste of his or her own judgemental medicine, and disliked it?

But regarding the Dateline deal, my understanding is that they are going after people who break the age of consent laws (pedophiles and others). Now, one can argue about the age of consent laws, but several of those men were after really young children, if I understand correctly, ones of which there can be no real doubt that they would be victims. That's a far cry from the activities of consenting adults. What's wrong with "entrapping" child molesters?

This is true. There is nothing wrong with entrapping child molesters. However, the Dom/Sub thing on Craig's list is a different situation. Though I feel sorry for those who were tacken in by this scam (I think wrongfully) they should have been more careful. The Internet is not a trustworthy place to put your face and personal info out for anyone to grab and use as they see fit. 3113 is right there.

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

This is true. There is nothing wrong with entrapping child molesters. However, the Dom/Sub thing on Craig's list is a different situation. Though I feel sorry for those who were tacken in by this scam (I think wrongfully) they should have been more careful. The Internet is not a trustworthy place to put your face and personal info out for anyone to grab and use as they see fit. 3113 is right there.

Indeed. I was reacting to the Dateline comment.

It was wrong to humiliate the Doms (and am very glad I didn't get taken in). Then again, I make a point of being careful where I open up. I do so here on the AH because I have learned that I can trust you guys. 3113 has a point, that's true, regarding unfamiliar sites.

 

[shereads]

I'm glad someone else objects to Dateline NBC's expose-the-pedophile episodes. My objection isn't on behalf of pedophiles; it's their wives and children I feel sorry for. Those shows disguise themselves as a public service on behalf of innocent kids, yet they fail to consider what it must be like when Dad is exposed as a primetime television Pedophile O' The Week, and his own innocent children have to face the kids at school. It would be tough having your father or husband arrested for soliciting sex with a child; that can't be helped. Having it happen on nationwide television for the entertainment of neighbors, teachers, grandparents, Mom's boss and the kids' soccar team has probably ruined the lives of as many children as it's saved.

What makes those episodes such a ratings success that NBC can't seem to produce enough of them? Would as many people be as eager to watch Dateline trap people in non-sexual crimes? I suspect there's a titillatiion factor - and that faithful viewers would deny it to their graves; something they might have in common with fans of Law and Order "Special Victims Unit," another wildly popular pedophile-themed entertainment.

 

[S-Des]

I'm glad someone else objects to Dateline NBC's expose-the-pedophile episodes. My objection isn't on behalf of pedophiles; it's their wives and children I feel sorry for. Those shows disguise themselves as a public service on behalf of innocent kids, yet they fail to consider what it must be like when Dad is exposed as a primetime television Pedophile O' The Week, and his own innocent children have to face the kids at school.

What makes those episodes such a ratings success that NBC can't seem to produce enough of them? I suspect there's a titillatiion factor - and that faithful viewers would deny it to their graves - something they might have in common with fans of Law and Order "Special Victims Unit," another wildly popular pedophile-themed entertainment.

Ouch. That is very well said.

I think the Dateline thing is the same attraction as Cops, Jerry Springer and other trash reality shows. Many people watch to see other people humiliate themselves. I'm happy the police are nabbing internet predators, but I don't need to see it happen to enjoy my nightly television. Besides, has anyone considered the possiblity that people who are predators might get wise to these tactics because of the shows? Not that they'll stop trying to molest children, just that they'll be harder to catch. All in the name of making a buck.

I'm with Shereads, it must be brutal for the wives and kids. The same for the lists that tell you where convicted criminals live. I'm not going to protect my child more or less because of what I see on the net (how do I know the list is accurate or that someone in my neighborhood just hasn't been caught yet). I think these do nothing but make people (and their families) targets. As I said on an earlier thread, anyone convicted of any sexual offense finds themselves on these lists for life. Even if their "crime" is sleeping with their girlfriend when they were both in high school.

 

[shereads]

It was wrong to humiliate the Doms (and am very glad I didn't get taken in). Then again, I make a point of being careful where I open up. I do so here on the AH because I have learned that I can trust you guys.

Don't. I found out the hard way that even a friendly, familiar online environment attracts its share of loonies. As the saying goes, "Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you."



That's why I'd never show my own maribou-trimmed boudoir slippers in my AV. Mine are similar, but not identical.

 

[Pure]

response to Jenny and Sev,

Sev sid // But regarding the Dateline deal, my understanding is that they are going after people who break the age of consent laws (pedophiles and others). Now, one can argue about the age of consent laws, but several of those men were after really young children, if I understand correctly, ones of which there can be no real doubt that they would be victims. That's a far cry from the activities of consenting adults. What's wrong with "entrapping" child molesters? //


Jenny This is true. There is nothing wrong with entrapping child molesters. However, the Dom/Sub thing on Craig's list is a different situation.

P: If I read them correctly, Sev and Jenny both say that where something's illegal, then entrapment is fine.

The first problem is that it's not simply entrapment, it's entrapment plus publicizing, which happens in lots of cases since news of arrests and trials is public data.

Whenever you publicize, you may be harming the innocent and, as has been said, penalizing the guilty and his/her family in non-standard, possibly unacceptable ways. For instance, does a guilty party have any protection about his address being revealed? How about AFTER he's served his time?

However, leaving this aside, no one has made the main objection to entrapment. That it leads down a slippery slope to 1) encouraging crime, and even 2) directly causing crime.

For 1) Consider a supposed chatroom where, lets say, of all the 'teens' showing up, half are fake--- they are FBI, police or whatever. These indicate they'd like to talk and that they're available for friendship. Their sheer number arguably encourages a crime where there might not have been one.

For 2) Entrapment, in the past shades inevitably into causing crime.
Where's the line between "I'm lonely and would like to talk" and "I'm lonely and horny" or "I'm lonely and my pussy needs some attention"? Where's the line between 'Send me your picture', "Send me a revealing picture," and "Send me a picture of your cock"?

Here is a similar scenario: A 'teen' posts an 'alluring' fully clothed picture. "She" gets propositioned. Fine, there's possibly a crime. How about 'she' posts a partly clad picture with a boob showing and just a hint of pussy? Then 'she's' asked for more and emails a nude spread shot. "She" of course is a male adult FBI agent. However he's arguably both posting and emailing child porn. All for noble end, of course.

 

[Pure]

I dislike what was done on Craigslist, but I wonder why no one has pointed out that the persons outed are mostly NOT doms, IMHO. Indeed, many, I'd suspect are not even 'pervs.'

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

Ouch. That is very well said.

I think the Dateline thing is the same attraction as Cops, Jerry Springer and other trash reality shows. Many people watch to see other people humiliate themselves. I'm happy the police are nabbing internet predators, but I don't need to see it happen to enjoy my nightly television. Besides, has anyone considered the possiblity that people who are predators might get wise to these tactics because of the shows? Not that they'll stop trying to molest children, just that they'll be harder to catch. All in the name of making a buck.

I'm with Shereads, it must be brutal for the wives and kids. The same for the lists that tell you where convicted criminals live. I'm not going to protect my child more or less because of what I see on the net (how do I know the list is accurate or that someone in my neighborhood just hasn't been caught yet). I think these do nothing but make people (and their families) targets. As I said on an earlier thread, anyone convicted of any sexual offense finds themselves on these lists for life. Even if their "crime" is sleeping with their girlfriend when they were both in high school.

You, Sher, and Pure make interesting points. I particularly think it's disturbing that boyfriends can get on that list for nothing more than sleeping with their girlfriends. Does anyone REALLY think that she's a victim? In West Virginia, at least, I believe that if a man is less than 2 years older than a minor, he can still have sex with her legally.

 

[shereads]

Consider a supposed chatroom where, lets say, of all the 'teens' showing up, half are fake--- they are FBI, police or whatever. These indicate they'd like to talk and that they're available for friendship.

This raises the intriguing possibility that a brand new fetish is at work: people who are sexually aroused by law enforcement officers who pretend to be children.

We should give it a name.

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

This raises the intriguing possibility that a brand new fetish is at work: people who are sexually aroused by law enforcement officers who pretend to be children.

We should give it a name.

Gendarmophilia.....

 

[Pure]

even more disturbing is

police officers who get off on impersonating teens seeking sex--
"pseudopedic gendarmia?"

btw, in connection with 'entrapment,' presumably the folks at the FBI have the nation's biggest collection of child porn. for use in phoney 'trades'---and lectures! so we have

lecturers (FBI approved) who get off on discussing and illustrating the evils of child porn [I've seen one] and

audience members who get off on being shown examples of evil child porn [the fellow in the next row].

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

even more disturbing is

police officers who get off on impersonating teens seeking sex

btw, in connection with 'entrapment,' presumably the folks at the FBI have the nation's biggest collection of child porn. for use in phoney 'trades'---and lectures! so we have

lecturers (FBI approve) who get off on discussing and illustrating the evils of child porn [I've seen one] and

audience members who get off on being shown examples of evil child porn [the fellow in the next row].

You mean like the Inquisitor with a stash of "heretical" books? Interesting parallel, although there is no comparison between pedophilia and "heresy". The former is harmful, the latter a basic human right.

 

[3113]

even more disturbing is

police officers who get off on impersonating teens seeking sex--
"pseudopedic gendarmia?"

btw, in connection with 'entrapment,' presumably the folks at the FBI have the nation's biggest collection of child porn. for use in phoney 'trades'---and lectures!

So the best way for someone into child porn to get what they want is to join the police or the FBI and work at entraping child pornogrophers?

 

[3113]

This raises the intriguing possibility that a brand new fetish is at work: people who are sexually aroused by law enforcement officers who pretend to be children.

Could one use that in court? "I knew all along it was a law officer behind that photo of a teen girl and that's what aroused me. I don't like teen girls. I like law enforcement officers who pretend to be teen girls. I was hoping he'd come to our meeting wearing his badge and a Catholic school girl's uniform."

 

[TriggerHippie]

This raises the intriguing possibility that a brand new fetish is at work: people who are sexually aroused by law enforcement officers who pretend to be children.

We should give it a name.

Inmate?

 

[shereads]

Could one use that in court? "I knew all along it was a law officer behind that photo of a teen girl and that's what aroused me. I don't like teen girls. I like law enforcement officers who pretend to be teen girls. I was hoping he'd come to our meeting wearing his badge and a Catholic school girl's uniform."

Sounds reasonable. We might consider patenting that defense and selling it on e-bay.

Variation:

<skulks into kitchen, sees camera crew>


"This is great! Not only do I get to have hot sex with an undercover cop who shares my interest in roleplaying - I get the whole thing on tape!"

 

[Couture]

While I agree with some of Couture's concerns, I find it rather odd coming from someone who recently attacked me for my "perverse" lifestyle. Is this more personal for him/her? Has he/she gotten a taste of his or her own judgemental medicine, and disliked it?

I can assure you that I wasn't personally effected by the craiglist scandal. And while I still have problems with your idea of consent vis-a'-vis the bdsm lifestyle, I don't advocate your personal humiliation, loss of social standing and employment. As a matter of fact, I think the repercussions of such relationships can be equally problematic for the dom.

Here is yet another such example. Do you think their employers will consider whether the potential relationship they were hoping to engage in was consensual? I can tell you for sure the military doesn't. Nor do judges on child custody hearings. What if this individual sought to blackmail the responders?

I think people still believe there's anonymity to be found on the internet....but it's actually pretty rare.

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

I can assure you that I wasn't personally effected by the craiglist scandal. And while I still have problems with your idea of consent vis-a'-vis the bdsm lifestyle, I don't advocate your personal humiliation, loss of social standing and employment. As a matter of fact, I think the repercussions of such relationships can be equally problematic for the dom.

Here is yet another such example. Do you think their employers will consider whether the potential relationship they were hoping to engage in was consensual? I can tell you for sure the military doesn't. Nor do judges on child custody hearings. What if this individual sought to blackmail the responders?

I think people still believe there's anonymity to be found on the internet....but it's actually pretty rare.

I still fail to see how you think that I am violating anyone's consent. However, I concede your other points.