Does Nudity = Sex?

[MoonlightandRoses]

What I mean is if a person finds pleasure in looking at a nude person or an image of a nude person, does that pleasure have to be sexual in nature? Or can the pleasure, one might experience when viewing a nude person or an image of a nude person, be asexual? My answer is that pleasure at viewing a nude person or an image of a nude person can be asexual. It seems to me that in our culture many times nudity is thought of as sexual or ugly or distressing, as in the case of warnings on YouTube if a video contains nudity. Similar ideas on the thread “Women and Men” see here: http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=1426578.

Moonlight and Roses,

 

[islandjoe2]

I don't think it's a simple yes/no answer.

I browse Llidar's lingerie thread often because I appreciate the photography, with the beauty of the women there coming a close second. But I don't have a big "O" every time I go there.

Conversely, the same material could easily be fodder for a romantic interlude for 1 if I wanted it to be.

I think a big part of it is context and setting.

 

[Iceprincess12]

I like looking at cheesecake, it always looks so yummy, but I can't stand cream cheese.

Sex is always the answer. No wait, sex is always the question. Grrr, pizza hot from the oven with extra cheese burns my sex, no no. Good sex is like cheap wine...I give up.

These kind of questions make my spidey sense tingle.

 

[Deleted member 3041612]

In art classes there are nude models. For some, it can be a sexual experience. But after seeing different models and their poses or them getting motivation for poses, it can get dull. It can become as bland as a still life of glasses on a tray, or a can full of paint brushes we are asked to draw or paint.

It depends on the person, the context and the right situation. All of these answers listed on this thread are correct, based on the person, what we see and how we interpret what we see.

 

[Hornblende]

In art classes there are nude models. For some, it can be a sexual experience. But after seeing different models and their poses or them getting motivation for poses, it can get dull. It can become as bland as a still life of glasses on a tray, or a can full of paint brushes we are asked to draw or paint.

It depends on the person, the context and the right situation. All of these answers listed on this thread are correct, based on the person, what we see and how we interpret what we see.

Well put...

 

[Deleted member 3041612]

Well put...

Thank you

 

[MoonlightandRoses]

Ok, first I almost fell on the floor when I saw not only was there a reply to this question, but there was a group of them. While I do appreciate all the replies I don’t feel anyone really answered my question. Island Joe: I found what you wrote interesting and thought provoking, but I feel there is a simple yes or no answer. Have you ever appreciated a nude person without there being any sexual feeling involved? If I had to guess based on what you wrote I would say that your answer would be Yes. Black Carmel Crème: I’m guessing you are an artist. Also based on what you wrote I would guess your answer would be Yes, but you only wrote about two feelings when viewing a nude – sexual and dull. Are there more? Ice Princess and Hornblende I also thank you.

I like the human form, clothed or nude and I like the concept of nudity. When I was young I automatically associated the nude with sex, but my feeling now is that it is mostly not sexual. In “Women and Men” I wrote about Michelangelo’s “David” a work of art that excites me when I look at it and that I see as very beautiful, but I do not see it as sexual. Now I do have sexual feelings, at times, when looking at a nude person, but I also have sexual feelings, at times when looking at a clothed person. The difference is that I see clothed people more often than nude people. It seems to me that there is a bias against the nude in our culture, a gynophobia. In most cases that is all there is. In regard to young, thin women and in some cases young, thin women with light complexions there are mixed for and against feelings. In the threads “The Male Form” and “Women” on the Author’s Hangout board I have linked to many images of the human form, nude or clothed, female or male, that I see as beautiful and are not always of young, thin, women with light complexions and I plan to do so on this board. http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=1370216 and http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=1395005

Moonlight and Roses,

 

[Iceprincess12]

If you just wanted a simple yes or no then you don't need a paragraph to ask your question.

Obviously the answer is yes. Does your doctor get aroused when he or she sees every naked patient? Does every porn turn you on? If you wanted a discussion then you should invite points of view. If you just want a yes or no, put up a poll.

 

[Deleted member 3041612]

If you just wanted a simple yes or no then you don't need a paragraph to ask your question.

Obviously the answer is yes. Does your doctor get aroused when he or she sees every naked patient? Does every porn turn you on? If you wanted a discussion then you should invite points of view. If you just want a yes or no, put up a poll.

Thank you. I was thinking the same.

 

[islandjoe2]

If you just wanted a simple yes or no then you don't need a paragraph to ask your question.

Obviously the answer is yes. Does your doctor get aroused when he or she sees every naked patient? Does every porn turn you on? If you wanted a discussion then you should invite points of view. If you just want a yes or no, put up a poll.

Thank you. I was thinking the same.

Um...ok. Glad I wasn't the only one.

 

[MoonlightandRoses]

Ice Princess, I do want points of view. To be clear and to put my question in another way, have you ever seen a nude and found that nude to be pleasant to look at, attractive or even beautiful and exciting, but not in a sexual way? For example I can look at the sky or the ocean and find it beautiful and exciting, but not sexual. To me a flower can be beautiful, but not sexual. I find Michelangelo’s “David” beautiful and exciting but in describing it I mentioned nothing about sex. Is it your opinion that the only feelings a person can have when seeing a nude person is sexual or professional indifference? Have you seen “porn” that didn’t “turn you on,” but that you still found to be beautiful? My claim is that a person can experience the nude to be beautiful, attractive and exciting without being sexual and I know that I can. I don’t think that doctors get aroused every time they see a nude patient and I could view something like porn and not be “turned on,” but still think it is beautiful.

Black Caramel Crème, your reply was interesting in that you mentioned art classes. Can you experience the nude form to be beautiful without it being sexual or do you only feel that it can be experienced as sexual or dull? I experience much beauty when viewing the nude that is not sexual and because I experience beauty it is not dull to me.

Island Joe, I understand that in different cases one may feel differently when viewing a nude and one of those experiences, for me at least, is a feeling that the nude is beautiful in a non-sexual way. When you wrote “. . . the beauty of the women [in Llidar’s thread] . . .” were you just referring to sexual beauty or do you feel it is possible to experience those images as beautiful in a non-sexual way? Now I feel I was unfair to you so I apologize for that.

To everyone, you can answer yes or no, but I would prefer something more about how you feel.

Moonlight and Roses,

 

[Deleted member 3041612]

Yes I can. For instance, one of the artists, a male, had a nice body, but what made him fascinating was that he did Spiderman poses. (I'm a comic book geek) I didn't get aroused, I saw his body as art. I saw him with clothes on which showed color and personality and found him more attractive. Did I get aroused? No. This was an environment that welcomed appreciation for the human form through art. You aren't the only one who appreciates the human form.

 

[Pawleys16]

What I mean is if a person finds pleasure in looking at a nude person or an image of a nude person, does that pleasure have to be sexual in nature? Or can the pleasure, one might experience when viewing a nude person or an image of a nude person, be asexual? My answer is that pleasure at viewing a nude person or an image of a nude person can be asexual. It seems to me that in our culture many times nudity is thought of as sexual or ugly or distressing, as in the case of warnings on YouTube if a video contains nudity. Similar ideas on the thread “Women and Men” see here: http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=1426578.

Moonlight and Roses,

Nudity can lead to sex but it does not equal sex. Nudity is just not covering what God has given to us all. Nudity is beauty that all have - the mental connection between two people leads to sharing the bodies.

Nudity = God's beauty.

 

[janeyl]

I'm sitting on a nude beach surrounded by naked people, some have beautiful bodies if judging by western societal norms, others probably don't fit into that category...what I am enjoying seeing is the obvious feeling of freedom that they are embracing...its probably the least arousing and sexual thing I've experienced when surrounded by naked people...usually, when I am, it's what they are doing tgat arouses me, not their physical bodies...

 

[suckonsimon]

The delightful end to the day we all left school [18+all] was a late night walk along the beach, about fourteen of us, lads and lasses. Someone decided we should all get in the sea. No-one had bathers. So we decided to strip and run in. We all did. We had a lot of fun and carry-on. As happens the few among us who had an SO at the time were not with them that evening, so no-one was attached to anyone.

It was fun. It was beautiful. It was memorable. Yes there was an artistic sensuality in the air too. But it was in no way sex, nor did it lead that way for any one of us.

 

[MoonlightandRoses]

Black Caramel Crème: thank you for your reply. I am guessing that the male you spoke about modeled in the nude. I know I am not the only one who appreciates the human form.

Moonlight and Roses,

 

[MoonlightandRoses]

Pawleys16, Janeyl and delivering the goods, I appreciate all of your replies. I plan to respond, but I want to think about your replies more before I do so.

Moonlight and Roses,

 

[MoonlightandRoses]

Pawleys, I agree that “Nudity can lead to sex . . .,” but I would add that seeing a person clothed can also lead to sex.

Janeyl, I also enjoy the feeling of freedom in nudity and that is part of what I find enjoyable in some depictions of the nude and part of what I find enjoyable in being nude. In my thinking and my writings about the nude I try to look past all social norms. This is something I deal with on my other threads.

Simon, Thank you for your reply. I think I know what you mean by “artistic sensuality.”

Moonlight and Roses,

 

[HumasWanderingWeiner]

No, nudity does not equal sex. Which is why I dropped that photography class in college.

 

[Deleted member 3041612]

I read over my responses and deleted some things because they didn't sit well with me. For those things I do apologize.

I do see the body as beautiful. There were nudes in my classes. I was initially shocked. I blushed a lot at first. Was I led to sexual feelings? No. I felt awkward at first, but became so comfortable around the models that the shocked feeling I initially had disappeared. The models were there every day.

Decades ahead now, I have viewed pictures on Literotica threads presented by different Litsters. I saw and appreciate beauty shared in different forms with no sex following.

 

[Porkwarrior]

The best part of my day is when I can come home and strip off my clothes and lounge around the house nude.

Does nudity=sex? Nope, but there is an undercurrent of sensuality.

 

[MoonlightandRoses]

Black Caramel Crème: again thank you for the reply. I also deleted some things that referred to the things you deleted and I hope we can start fresh. In your last comment you were open in your feelings about the nude models and I can understand how you would feel that way. When I read your first comment to me I was particularly happy as being an artist you could offer a different prospective. I also had experience with an life art class, but mostly as a model and not an artist.

Moonlight and Roses,

 

[MoonlightandRoses]

Humas, I guess there was no other reason for you to take the photography class.

Porkwarrior, you’re the second person to use the word “sensuality.” I thought I knew what the previous poster meant by “artistic sensuality,” but after looking up the definition of the word it seems it could mean a lot of things.

Moonlight and Roses,

 

[MoonlightandRoses]

Here I will explain myself a little more. Many times I experience pleasure when viewing the nude, both in real life and as an image. As I indicated this pleasure can be non-sexual (asexual), but also it can be sexual. Further, many times I experience pleasure when viewing the clothed human form and this pleasure can also be non-sexual or sexual. To me there is nothing wrong with experiencing either non-sexual or sexual pleasure while viewing the nude of either sex. My opinion is that it is crucial for the survival of the human species that people group together and as a result it is my opinion that people are born with a pre-disposition to experience the human form, nude or not as attractive. Since this is non-sexual it would mean that people are born with a predisposition not only to find people of the opposite sex attractive, but also people of the same sex. In addition it is my opinion that people are born with a pre-disposition to have bisexual feelings, as I feel that will facilitate the bonding of people. Because of this I believe that people are born with a pre-disposition to have pleasurable sexual feelings when viewing people of the same or opposite sex and that this includes viewing these people nude. So, it is my opinion that it is “natural” for all humans to experience other humans of the opposite or of the same sex to be attractive or even beautiful in non-sexual or sexual ways, however, the norms and taboos of our culture interfere with that and thus keep us, in many cases, from experiencing joy when seeing people naked. Now, I am sure that there are people who disagree with me on this, but I can back my opinions up.

Moonlight and Roses,

 

[tnman03]

I’ve pondered on this thread for a bit now organizing my thoughts on the matter of art vs. nudity and nudity vs. sex. With either there’s a clear and present distancing from actual sex for the discerning viewer or situational circumstances involved. For lack of a better description it’s a form of filtering we have so analytically speaking IMHO nudity doesn’t equal sex.