Does anyone really think U.S. military intervention in Cuba would help?

[pecksniff]

It never seems to work out in terms of "nation building." It would probably turn a lot of the government's present opponents into zealous Communists ready to join an insurgency.

 

[pecksniff]

Well, the USG is doing something -- that is, warning Cubans (and Haitians) not to flee to the U.S.

 

[Rightguide]

Well, the USG is doing something -- that is, warning Cubans (and Haitians) not to flee to the U.S.

We should intervene if the Castros attempt another Mariel Boatlift.

 

[pecksniff]

We should intervene if the Castros attempt another Mariel Boatlift.

Why? We don't seem to have suffered any long-term harm from the last one. And we got some good Hollywood material out of it, see Scarface.

Also, the Castros are no longer on the scene.

 

[CornusKousa]

Well, the USG is doing something -- that is, warning Cubans (and Haitians) not to flee to the U.S.

Outstanding.

 

[colddiesel]

We should intervene if the Castros attempt another Mariel Boatlift.

Bush junior would probably have lost in 2000 without the 125,000 Cubans it brought.

 

[CornusKousa]

Bush junior would probably have lost in 2000 without the 125,000 Cubans it brought.

Yea, people from progressive nations aren't very big on the "progress" the (D)'s are selling.

Seems they've heard the promises about the equitable outcome utopia that "progress" offers for the low low price of accepting the federal government as their lord and savior.......and don't think it's as wonderful as Democrats seem to think it will be.

Seems a lot of refugees from "progressive" nations are pretty anti-Progress.

I wonder why

 

[bellisarius]

Bush junior would probably have lost in 2000 without the 125,000 Cubans it brought.

Really? The overwhelming majority of those never voted. What the Mariel Boat lift brought were the elderly relatives of Cuban's already here and criminals. The elderly did not apply for citizenship and a good many of them were dead by 2000. The criminals went back to being criminals and forfeited their right to apply for citizenship in doing so. The only reason they weren't deported was that Castro refused to accept them back. Consequently that particular group had virtually zero impact on the vote.

 

[Rightguide]

Why? We don't seem to have suffered any long-term harm from the last one. And we got some good Hollywood material out of it, see Scarface.

Also, the Castros are no longer on the scene.

The people are ready for change. We should help them overthrow their communist oppressors so they can have their freedom in Cuba. Their military is extremely weak at present, filled with conscripted young men who may not be ready to oppose the will of the people right now.

 

[colddiesel]

Really? The overwhelming majority of those never voted. What the Mariel Boat lift brought were the elderly relatives of Cuban's already here and criminals. The elderly did not apply for citizenship and a good many of them were dead by 2000. The criminals went back to being criminals and forfeited their right to apply for citizenship in doing so. The only reason they weren't deported was that Castro refused to accept them back. Consequently that particular group had virtually zero impact on the vote.

David Card did an academic analysis of the employment impact of the Mariel boatlift. Some facts he found were, 56% were males, the average age was 34.9, 4 years less than already resident Cubans, so not elderly.

Somewhere between 4 and 7% were either criminals or mentally ill, (this figure varies wildly though Card tends to the lower estimate.). They were largely unskilled and 60% were employed by 1984 or earlier. Half the group, some 65,000 stayed in Miami. True some may have died by 2000 but considering their average age it's likely the others bred.

Your assumptions do not fit the figures of the only detailed study (Card) so a note of your sources would be interesting.

 

[pecksniff]

The people are ready for change. We should help them overthrow their communist oppressors so they can have their freedom in Cuba. Their military is extremely weak at present, filled with conscripted young men who may not be ready to oppose the will of the people right now.

We don't really know that -- that is, we don't know whether the protesters represent a majority view.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

It never seems to work out in terms of "nation building." It would probably turn a lot of the government's present opponents into zealous Communists ready to join an insurgency.

Who is proposing US military intervention?

 

[pecksniff]

Who is proposing US military intervention?

Nobody in the USG, that I've heard. We have a Democratic administration. And even the Republicans have soured on foreign military adventures -- at any rate, they line up behind Trump, who is definitely against them.

 

[CornusKousa]

Nobody in the USG, that I've heard.

Me either.

We have a Democratic administration.

Soooooo just as, and considering Biden's history, possibly even more likely to jump into some idiotic interventionist shit.

And even the Republicans have soured on foreign military adventures -- at any rate, they line up behind Trump, who is definitely against them.

Can't win wars abroad with a war at home.

 

[pecksniff]

Can't win wars abroad with a war at home.

What war at home?

 

[CornusKousa]

What war at home?

Are you serious?

You don't think the polarization of the USA is a result of a tight knit sense of community do you???

Just because the warfare has largely not been kinetic for the most part with rioting and generic metro shit hole violence being as bad as it's gotten, doesn't mean there isn't a war.

Information and economic warfare are a thing.

And as far as economic and especially information warfare go?? The US is in a full on. knock down drag out anything short of just gunning each other down in the streets goes civil war.

 

[pecksniff]

Are you serious?

You don't think the polarization of the USA is a result of a tight knit sense of community do you???

We're full on in a civil war, it's just not been kinetic warfare for the most part with rioting and generic metro shit hole violence being as bad as it's gotten.

As far as economic and especially information warfare go?? The US is in a full on. knock down drag out anything short of just gunning each other down in the streets goes civil war.

That is exactly the kind of situation to tempt a government into a foreign war, to unite the people by rally-round-the-flag effect.

 

[CornusKousa]

That is exactly the kind of situation to tempt a government into a foreign war, to unite the people by rally-round-the-flag effect.

True.

Problem is we've been doing that for so long now it's now impossible to continue to ignore the real problems here at home via war.

It would have to be some Independence Day movie like alien invasion fight for the species type shit for that kind of band-aid to work at this point.

We have been kicking this can down the road for 60-70 years and 3ish generations at this point. There are two major factions in the county with FUNDAMENTALLY OPPOSED ideas about what the country is and how it should be run.

We NEED to do some real reforms to deal with that if we as the USA want to continue to be the USA. I like the ultra obvious everybody wins option myself. But because control freaks are control freaks that's a problem.

I just hope we can avoid things going kinetic and the violence is kept to a minimum.

 

[pecksniff]

There are two major factions in the county with FUNDAMENTALLY OPPOSED ideas about what the country is and how it should be run.

Of those, the RW is slowly dying off and not being replaced by the young. It's only a matter of keeping the country stable until their influence fades to irrelevance.

 

[CornusKousa]

Of those, the RW is slowly dying off and not being replaced by the young. It's only a matter of keeping the country stable until their influence fades to irrelevance.

You lot have been saying that for over a CENTURY.

And it's not true. Because too many people grow up, get jobs and have lives. The actual producers in society wise up real fucking fast as to who the left is and why they are no friend of the freedom loving go-getter who gets out there and hustles.

Doesn't change the fact that the USA was founded on definitively RW ideals of liberalism that Democrats outright reject and are actively subverting for their anti-American political agendas or that this behavior is at the heart of our current civil war.

 

[pecksniff]

And it's not true. Because too many people grow up, get jobs and have lives.

Studies show people grow more liberal, not conservative, as they age -- and that's "liberal" as the term as used in current American discourse, not as you use it.

 

[ll74]

It never seems to work out in terms of "nation building." It would probably turn a lot of the government's present opponents into zealous Communists ready to join an insurgency.

why is this a thing to discuss when Biden hasn't actually indicated a shift in policy?

Why do you have a hard on for cuba?

 

[pecksniff]

why is this a thing to discuss when Biden hasn't actually indicated a shift in policy?

Why do you have a hard on for cuba?

It's the topic of the moment. Will be again any time there's a wave of protests or anything else that gives hope to the Miami Cubans that they'll go home someday and reclaim their grandparents' estates.

 

[ll74]

It's the topic of the moment. Will be again any time there's a wave of protests or anything else that gives hope to the Miami Cubans that they'll go home someday and reclaim their grandparents' estates.

Honestly, you're just a fucking moron. You post too much, you have a Trumpy disposition of oversimplifying your arguments and you make up a ton of shit.

Can you please just shut the fuck up?

 

[Philthy_Phil]

Well that's America's foreign policy...bombs for peace.
Retards.