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I remember when I grew up it seemed there was less press. Local was local and national was national. Now not only can you get it anytime of day you can get it from all over the country and on just about bent (the weather channal, business headline news, travel news). It is a commodity. With competition. And the need for sponsors. And business partners. Its content is inevitably affected by it's commercialism. Presentation is sensationalized by opinion.
It's the nature of the beast.
Thank goodness for PBS although I'm certainly glad that's not all there is.
I remember when I grew up it seemed there was less press. Local was local and national was national. Now not only can you get it anytime of day you can get it from all over the country and on just about bent (the weather channal, business headline news, travel news). It is a commodity. With competition. And the need for sponsors. And business partners. Its content is inevitably affected by it's commercialism. Presentation is sensationalized by opinion.
It's the nature of the beast.
Thank goodness for PBS although I'm certainly glad that's not all there is.
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Because I am not longer "allowed" to make my own judgement based solely on the facts, as that is no longer what is presented on the news anymore, it makes watching news stations painful.
I do have an advantage though, from where I live I get the CBC which is much less "colored" than CNN et al. I watch it for the news that I want to form my own opinion on rather than have a talking head or their bosses opinions crammed down my throat.
Just my 2 cents.
I do have an advantage though, from where I live I get the CBC which is much less "colored" than CNN et al. I watch it for the news that I want to form my own opinion on rather than have a talking head or their bosses opinions crammed down my throat.
Just my 2 cents.
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Hmm,will i ever learn to keep my mouth shut?
Will i ever find a new name?
Any of these, garv, garvin, fgb, G, well the list goes on forever.
I am currently thinking of changing my name to Striker. (does that sound to BDSMish?)
I wish i could remember more about this.
Until some years ago the american press/media was under some limitations as to what they release to the public. That is one reason the news was news and more polite. The goverment had a ruler in its hand.
I think it had something to do at the onstart with a clear and present danger clause and some newspaper posting shiping dates on cargo ships during WWII.
The censorship was still in force long after that war was over with.
Hell i think untill sometime in the last tewnty five years.
Sorry, i did to many drugs when i was younger to remember all the details.
I do remember a thread on this board about it a year or so ago.
Will i ever find a new name?
Any of these, garv, garvin, fgb, G, well the list goes on forever.
I am currently thinking of changing my name to Striker. (does that sound to BDSMish?)
I wish i could remember more about this.
Until some years ago the american press/media was under some limitations as to what they release to the public. That is one reason the news was news and more polite. The goverment had a ruler in its hand.
I think it had something to do at the onstart with a clear and present danger clause and some newspaper posting shiping dates on cargo ships during WWII.
The censorship was still in force long after that war was over with.
Hell i think untill sometime in the last tewnty five years.
Sorry, i did to many drugs when i was younger to remember all the details.
I do remember a thread on this board about it a year or so ago.
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I remember
When the New York Times was a model newspaper. One that presented facts and not opinions. Over the years, it has become the "Voice" of liberal america. And before I am attacked for this, I have nothing against different viewpoints. But the fact remains thta it is now a newspaper with an "agenda."
And that's a shame.
When the New York Times was a model newspaper. One that presented facts and not opinions. Over the years, it has become the "Voice" of liberal america. And before I am attacked for this, I have nothing against different viewpoints. But the fact remains thta it is now a newspaper with an "agenda."
And that's a shame.
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I found this link interesting if dry...Four case studies.
http://www.loc.gov/rr/frd/Media_Interaction.htm
http://www.loc.gov/rr/frd/Media_Interaction.htm
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Impartiality took a nosedive during the Vietnam war when after years of discontent in the US over our involvement there, prominent newspeople, such as Kronkite, spoke out in editorials, stating thier partial analyses of the situation. This really set a precedent. Of course, it is also led to the highly secure situation of most US miilitary activities since then. In Vietnam, reporters were out there in the field; these days, journalists can't get very close at all to the action. The U.S. govt. put a lid on it, so that they wouldn't have to worry about censoring journalists...now, we just don't know what is going on, period.
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I find Ahmerkin media to be the most likely to lie to you as a viewer in news reporting.
CBC, BBC, ISN etc are far less likely to pander to government and advertiser's agendae and are more likely to present the facts in an unbiased light.
I think.
CBC, BBC, ISN etc are far less likely to pander to government and advertiser's agendae and are more likely to present the facts in an unbiased light.
I think.
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True journalism died when the Cronkites of the world retired...
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I don't remember which part of the goverment that was in charge of this.
remember back durning the Gulf war when that talking head( i don't remember his name) was telling everyone where the missiles were landing while in a hotel in israel?
Remember how the other newsmen jumped on his ass on live TV?
and told him to shut up?
That was not only because Israel would have shut them down and thrown them out of the country. The US goverment would have started censoring the news again and the newsmen did NOT want to return to those times.
Here is a link to what started it all or what the goverment used as a reason to do so right or wrong.
http://faculty-web.at.nwu.edu/commstud/freespeech/cont/cases/schenck/schenckframe.html
and it was WWI. OK it works now.
remember back durning the Gulf war when that talking head( i don't remember his name) was telling everyone where the missiles were landing while in a hotel in israel?
Remember how the other newsmen jumped on his ass on live TV?
and told him to shut up?
That was not only because Israel would have shut them down and thrown them out of the country. The US goverment would have started censoring the news again and the newsmen did NOT want to return to those times.
Here is a link to what started it all or what the goverment used as a reason to do so right or wrong.
http://faculty-web.at.nwu.edu/commstud/freespeech/cont/cases/schenck/schenckframe.html
and it was WWI. OK it works now.
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I fear I'm being a fatalist but I accept the press as it is. A lot of people (including me) see a liberal bias but I hear plenty of people saying there's a rightwing bias. In any event, governments get voted in and voted out. If there really were a systematic bias of material impact, surely there would be a preponderance of one party in election results over the longhaul and to the best of my knowledge there aint.
Curiously, most of the complainers aren't politicians. They must have figured out how to play the game and to appear gracious at all times. It's normally people like us who get outraged and feel the need to vent about it.
One thing that I do think is an insult to the viewer's intelligence though (then again, maybe not):
Fox cable news using the motto, "We Report, You Decide". You've GOT to be kidding. I definitely fall into the conservative camp and tend to agree with their positions (though hopefully I'm not as dogmatic as them) but there's no way no how that they just report and let us decide (no one does). Obviously, I'm not referring to the editorial programs on the show, just the news presentation. Those 3 in the morning are always spouting their opinions. Even though I agree with it many times, it's not reporting. I'm really glad there's a conservative news network out there to counter other more liberal points of view but I think that they should change their motto is all.
Curiously, most of the complainers aren't politicians. They must have figured out how to play the game and to appear gracious at all times. It's normally people like us who get outraged and feel the need to vent about it.
One thing that I do think is an insult to the viewer's intelligence though (then again, maybe not):
Fox cable news using the motto, "We Report, You Decide". You've GOT to be kidding. I definitely fall into the conservative camp and tend to agree with their positions (though hopefully I'm not as dogmatic as them) but there's no way no how that they just report and let us decide (no one does). Obviously, I'm not referring to the editorial programs on the show, just the news presentation. Those 3 in the morning are always spouting their opinions. Even though I agree with it many times, it's not reporting. I'm really glad there's a conservative news network out there to counter other more liberal points of view but I think that they should change their motto is all.
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The death of impartiality started in the 60's. One poster was quite correct about Kronkite. At least he was subtle.
And it's pervasive. Many radio news broadcasts are nothing more than 'readings' off the wire services. As are many newspaper articles. I think what infuriates me the most is to see a commentary posing as 'news' and the author cited as "APwire". The guy/gal is prolific.
By avoiding the time honored practice of citing an author, we have now relegated our source of news to 3rd rate hacks that apparently aren't worthy of a name, or the accountability that comes with having one. So, instead of news we have 'boiler-plate' fed to us by an unaccountable source and written in editorial style.
But apparently the shit sells.
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And it's pervasive. Many radio news broadcasts are nothing more than 'readings' off the wire services. As are many newspaper articles. I think what infuriates me the most is to see a commentary posing as 'news' and the author cited as "APwire". The guy/gal is prolific.
By avoiding the time honored practice of citing an author, we have now relegated our source of news to 3rd rate hacks that apparently aren't worthy of a name, or the accountability that comes with having one. So, instead of news we have 'boiler-plate' fed to us by an unaccountable source and written in editorial style.
But apparently the shit sells.
Ishmael
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It seems to be a lot worse in the print media than it is on TV. The Boston Globe inserts editorial content into almost every story they carry and quite often their ad-libbed "explanations" are flat out wrong.
A few montsh ago I took a major story that was carried in the Globe and found the same story in the Washington Times, Dallas Morning News and the Denver Post. In each paper the story was pretty large. When I compared them line by line, fact by fact, I found every item that all 4 papers listed in common the total was only 7 or 8 lines. The remaining 40 or 50 lines in each was different and in some cases conflicted. The stories were 90% editorial content.
Now I try to read 4 or 5 different papers on-line everyday in addition to CNN to try to maintain a little more balance in what I'm reading.
Foreign TV tends to have less editorial content but the papers seem to have even more.
A few montsh ago I took a major story that was carried in the Globe and found the same story in the Washington Times, Dallas Morning News and the Denver Post. In each paper the story was pretty large. When I compared them line by line, fact by fact, I found every item that all 4 papers listed in common the total was only 7 or 8 lines. The remaining 40 or 50 lines in each was different and in some cases conflicted. The stories were 90% editorial content.
Now I try to read 4 or 5 different papers on-line everyday in addition to CNN to try to maintain a little more balance in what I'm reading.
Foreign TV tends to have less editorial content but the papers seem to have even more.
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