Doctor shortage likely to worsen with health care law

[koalabear]

RIVERSIDE, Calif. — In the Inland Empire, an economically depressed region in Southern California, President Obama’s health care law is expected to extend insurance coverage to more than 300,000 people by 2014. But coverage will not necessarily translate into care: Local health experts doubt there will be enough doctors to meet the area’s needs. There are not enough now.

Other places around the country, including the Mississippi Delta, Detroit and suburban Phoenix, face similar problems. The Association of American Medical Colleges estimates that in 2015 the country will have 62,900 fewer doctors than needed. And that number will more than double by 2025, as the expansion of insurance coverage and the aging of baby boomers drive up demand for care. Even without the health care law, the shortfall of doctors in 2025 would still exceed 100,000.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/48377601/ns/health-the_new_york_times/#.UBVeDETvZIs

 

[cjh]

so is the solution keeping the doors to healthcare closed for a significant portion of the population?

 

[koalabear]

so is the solution keeping the doors to healthcare closed for a significant portion of the population?

Take two rice cakes and check back in a week.

 

[BotanyBoy]

so is the solution keeping the doors to healthcare closed for a significant portion of the population?

No....it's to only force doctors to provide for those who can afford their services. Can't pay? Get the fuck out...it's a business not a charity.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

No....it's to only force doctors to provide for those who can afford their services. Can't pay? Get the fuck out...it's a business not a charity.

The doctor doesn't get paid under the ACA?

 

[koalabear]

Moreover, across the country, fewer than half of primary care clinicians were accepting new Medicaid patients as of 2008, making it hard for the poor to find care even when they are eligible for Medicaid. The expansion of Medicaid accounts for more than one-third of the overall growth in coverage in President Obama’s health care law.

 

[BotanyBoy]

The doctor doesn't get paid under the ACA?

Never said that. I said when you force them to provide for those who can't pay you will have less doctors. No one goes to school for 8-12 years on top of all the other trials and tribulations to become a medical professional, thousands and thousands in debt to earn government pay.....working fuck loads of hours....

No they do it to become white collar country club yuppie scum...and do it working bankers hours at most.

But hey you think they will in the american culture? rock on....Let's see that neurosurgeon keep up the good work for GS-8 pay

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Never said that. I said when you force them to provide for those who can't pay you will have less doctors. No one goes to school for 8-12 years on top of all the other trials and tribulations to become a medical professional, thousands and thousands in debt to earn government pay.....working fuck loads of hours....

No they do it to become white collar country club yuppie scum...and do it working bankers hours at most.

But hey you think they will in the american culture? rock on....Let's see that neurosurgeon keep up the good work for GS-8 pay

I imagine that's what young doctors are for.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

They wanna force docs outta private practice and into MD corporations. That is, overwhelm docs with red tape and regulations. My MD charges a flat $35 per office visit...no insurance, no Medicaid, no Medicare, no bullshit or bureaucrats looking over his shoulder.

 

[koalabear]

I imagine that's what young doctors are for.

You imagine a lot, lay off the mushrooms.

 

[Sean Renaud]

If you think the ACA is gonna cause a shortage of doctors please go get your head lumped in.

 

[koalabear]

If you think the ACA is gonna cause a shortage of doctors please go get your head lumped in.

There is already a shortage, so logically, you are stupid.

 

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[Sean Renaud]

There is already a shortage, so logically, you are stupid.

So then the ACA can't cause one. So logically you' are stupid.

Sounds to me like capitalism failed rather spectacularly in the area and it's time to either abandon the Inland Empire or try something else.

 

[sigh]

RIVERSIDE, Calif. — In the Inland Empire, an economically depressed region in Southern California, President Obama’s health care law is expected to extend insurance coverage to more than 300,000 people by 2014. But coverage will not necessarily translate into care: Local health experts doubt there will be enough doctors to meet the area’s needs. There are not enough now.

Other places around the country, including the Mississippi Delta, Detroit and suburban Phoenix, face similar problems. The Association of American Medical Colleges estimates that in 2015 the country will have 62,900 fewer doctors than needed. And that number will more than double by 2025, as the expansion of insurance coverage and the aging of baby boomers drive up demand for care. Even without the health care law, the shortfall of doctors in 2025 would still exceed 100,000.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/48377601/ns/health-the_new_york_times/#.UBVeDETvZIs

So according to your stats, the projected shortage of physicians by 2025 will be roughly 126,000 nationwide, of which 100,000 will occur even if the ACA is repealed. The other 26,000 will presumably be due to increased access to the system by the poor.

So your solution is what? To deny medical coverage to the poor when 80% of the projected shortage will occur anyway? What kind of solution is that?

 

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[Sean Renaud]

Capitalism will always fail when it is manipulated into inefficiency by government intervention.

Capitalism will usually fail when it is attempting to do things that shouldn't be motivated by profits. I know it's hard to believe but there are things that simply don't work best or at all, that way.

 

[koalabear]

So then the ACA can't cause one. So logically you' are stupid.

Sounds to me like capitalism failed rather spectacularly in the area and it's time to either abandon the Inland Empire or try something else.

It can only make it worse. So don't worry, you still head the class on be logically stupid.

 

[koalabear]

So according to your stats, the projected shortage of physicians by 2025 will be roughly 126,000 nationwide, of which 100,000 will occur even if the ACA is repealed. The other 26,000 will presumably be due to increased access to the system by the poor.

So your solution is what? To deny medical coverage to the poor when 80% of the projected shortage will occur anyway? What kind of solution is that?

I didn't write the article, notice the link?

 

[Sean Renaud]

It can only make it worse. So don't worry, you still head the class on be logically stupid.

As someone else already pointed out it's not really making it worse, it's increasing demand. It's okay though. I don't expect much from a koala.

 

[sigh]

They wanna force docs outta private practice and into MD corporations. That is, overwhelm docs with red tape and regulations. My MD charges a flat $35 per office visit...no insurance, no Medicaid, no Medicare, no bullshit or bureaucrats looking over his shoulder.

The trend away from private to corporate practice for physicians has been going on for years, long before Obamacare was even on the table. But of course it's Obama's fault anyway.

 

[sigh]

I didn't write the article, notice the link?

I know you didn't write it, silly, and yes I saw the link. How does that change what I said?

 

[Sean Renaud]

Sean, don't be stupid. There is a finite amount of doctors right now, they are already scheduled to the max. So Obama comes along with a stroke of a pen and puts another thirty million patients on their back while telling them they will get even less of their costs in return, what do you think will happen?

Supply and Demand suggests more people will become doctors and that we'll start advertising for doctors if need be which it won't. Half the problem is all the doctors are specialists these days.

 

[koalabear]

As someone else already pointed out it's not really making it worse, it's increasing demand. It's okay though. I don't expect much from a koala.

What increased the demand, mr logic?