DO YOU VALUE YOUR FREE SPEECH ON LIT? Because Theres Censorship Right Here On Lit.

[Brinnie]

I have a name for my pain... LadyG.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v205/Britney_Spears/censorship.gif​

And for every five people like Tiana that speak out, there's 20 more that don't. I am not one of them...


LadyG had not only moved mine and others people threads, but she had DELETED MY THREADS AND INDIVIDUAL POSTS!
Now, I'm not the type of person to narc or rat someone out, but this is an issue of free speech and it has gone WAY to far...


Take a look at the following screenshot. I have a $1,000 reward or anyone who can find this thread.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v205/Britney_Spears/LadyGIsACock-Blocker.gif
​

I guarentee you won't find it ANYWHERE!

Now start browsing back in the How-To Cafe and you'll eventually come to a pages with nothing but removed/deleted threads. hundreds of them.


So last night I made a poll in the How-To section about LadyG, in which almost EVERYONE voted for her removal, but of course, she deleted that too.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v205/Britney_Spears/psa.gif​

WHAT THIS CALLS FOR IS A PETITION:​

Not a petition for LadyG to be banned, but her removal of her position as a moderator. Literotica is a free speech board and there is no place for such censorship here.

• What I am asking is for anyone who values their free speech to: GO HERE and write a short paragraph explaining that LadyG should be removed from her position as mod of the HT-Cafe and why.

Don't do it for me, do it for Lit..
Together we can make a difference.
​

 

[O'Mac]

I normally don't like to argue with ummmm, hmmmm, what's the best way to say this? IGNORANCE. However, you should be aware by now that Literotica is a privately operated website with voluntarly membership. The moderators on Lit have EVERY RIGHT IN THE WORLD to remove, edit, or otherwise modify any threads they want.

It's their website and as such, they make the rules.

 

[Betticus]

I normally don't like to argue with ummmm, hmmmm, what's the best way to say this? IGNORANCE. However, you should be aware by now that Literotica is a privately operated website with voluntarly membership. The moderators on Lit have EVERY RIGHT IN THE WORLD to remove, edit, or otherwise modify any threads they want.

It's their website and as such, they make the rules.

Yep. Privately owned media such as lit don't fall under the rules of free speach.

What free speach really means is the you have every right to create your own outlet, web site, newspaper, magazine, etc.. for you to freely express your opinions on.

 

[Etoile]

Actually, it's not our website. It's Laurel and Manu's website. We have no ownership. If there is a complaint about a moderator, it should be sent directly to Laurel and Manu.

 

[Etoile]

Take a look at the following screenshot. I have a $1,000 reward or anyone who can find this thread.

I found it. Shall I tell you where to send the check?

 

[Etoile]

And actually, LadyG is being nice and leaving a redirect, which allows you to acknowledge that the thread ever existed. Moderators can also choose to NOT leave a redirect, in which case the usual user would have no idea the thread ever existed.

But really, Brinnie, the thing to do is collect this information - exactly what you've presented in this thread - and tell Laurel and Manu. They are the only ones who can do anything for you.

 

[Brinnie]

And actually, LadyG is being nice and leaving a redirect, which allows you to acknowledge that the thread ever existed. Moderators can also choose to NOT leave a redirect, in which case the usual user would have no idea the thread ever existed.

But really, Brinnie, the thing to do is collect this information - exactly what you've presented in this thread - and tell Laurel and Manu. They are the only ones who can do anything for you.

Well, write a letter to them!
I allready did!

 

[Etoile]

Well, write a letter to them!
I allready did!

Excellent! I'm sure they will get back to you soon. Remember they are only two people running all of Lit and all of Blurty, though, so be patient for a couple of days if you can.

 

[O'Mac]

As an aside, the thread started by madmanmike with regards to shaving his own dick seems quite interesting.

 

[Brinnie]

I found it. Shall I tell you where to send the check?

Where is it?
I've been looking for it everywhere... It's one of those "masterpeice threads" that took 3 hours to write.

 

[TaintedB]

I normally don't like to argue with ummmm, hmmmm, what's the best way to say this? IGNORANCE. However, you should be aware by now that Literotica is a privately operated website with voluntarly membership. The moderators on Lit have EVERY RIGHT IN THE WORLD to remove, edit, or otherwise modify any threads they want.

It's their website and as such, they make the rules.

Correct, but one forum section in this place, the general board, has a tradition of being unmoderated. Anything goes in that forum. If a moderator (not the owners, just a mod of some other section) starts moving stuff out of there or deleting threads, I would strongly suspect an abuse of power is going on...particularly if they are deleting or moving any threads that criticize them or point out their censorship.

I don't know who this lady g is. If she's one of the owners, Brinny is screwed. But if she's just a mod and the threads are being moved out of the GB, she's grossly abusing her moderator privleges. As I understand it, mods are supposed to leave the GB alone. Probably the only only exception would be an illegal post (containing warz, kiddie porn, or something like that). They can do whatever they want, however to their own sections.

Mods can be confused fucked up people just like everybody else. They are usually chosen on the basis of their having a history with lit (they aren't going to disappear immediately goes the thinking) and their popularity with the section they are put in charge of and their desire for the job. This combination does not always make for very sane online behavior, to put it midly, but to give Literotica credit, the mods here do a better job than on most forums, were extreme abuses of power and personal vedettas typically occur. Occasionally a rogue mod ventures into a section not their own and strarts throwing their mod weight around in there. That sort of gross misbehavior should be reported immediately, both to the mods running the section and to the owners as it causes big trouble in a forum for everybody involved.

 

[catalina_francisco]

Correct, but one forum section in this place, the general board, has a tradition of being unmoderated. Anything goes in that forum. If a moderator (not the owners, just a mod of some other section) starts moving stuff out of there or deleting threads, I would strongly suspect an abuse of power is going on...particularly if they are deleting or moving any threads that criticize them or point out their censorship.

I don't know who this lady g is. If she's one of the owners, Brinny is screwed. But if she's just a mod and the threads are being moved out of the GB, she's grossly abusing her moderator privleges. As I understand it, mods are supposed to leave the GB alone. Probably the only only exception would be an illegal post (containing warz, kiddie porn, or something like that). They can do whatever they want, however to their own sections.

Mods can be confused fucked up people just like everybody else. They are usually chosen on the basis of their having a history with lit (they aren't going to disappear immediately goes the thinking) and their popularity with the section they are put in charge of and their desire for the job. This combination does not always make for very sane online behavior, to put it midly, but to give Literotica credit, the mods here do a better job than on most forums, were extreme abuses of power and personal vedettas typically occur. Occasionally a rogue mod ventures into a section not their own and strarts throwing their mod weight around in there. That sort of gross misbehavior should be reported immediately, both to the mods running the section and to the owners as it causes big trouble in a forum for everybody involved.

Think this was about a thread originally in the How To forum. Mods only have the power to move or edit threads in their own forum, but I always wonder why there is moderating on forums here apart from the GB which has the worst reputation of all and I am told remains unmoderated because Lit believes in free speech.....but it still can be moderated by Laurel or Manu...confuses me when all forums are part of Lit so fall under free speech. Either way, I prefer less moderating even when it is so tempting at times to exercise power in the face of some of the ridiculous...thankfully the temptation is rare here and I can resist giving into it and acting inappropriately by deleting or moving things I personally might take offence with or find a waste of space. Imagine the fun we could have with trolls during holiday season if we went wild with the delete button!!

Catalina

 

[Brinnie]

Does anyone see my point here?

However, unless the "negative poster" posts something that is in violation of the Forum Rules, there's not much I can do. You know the Forum Rules, don't you? Surely you've read them? No? A link is at the bottom of just about every page in every forum for your convenience and reading pleasure.

Now why would he say such a thing?


Is it because:

* * *
You may post whatever you like. Consequently, so can everyone else. The administrators here don't believe they are anyone's parents nor are they anyone's Jiminy Cricket. It's not their responsibility to make sure that everyone on the site uses free speech responsibly. It's up to individual users to be responsible for themselves. For those who are not, the programmers at Jelsoft have added an ignore function for your convenience. Just go here and add the user you don't want to deal with anymore.

In short, we believe in the First Amendment, and offensive content will not be removed unless it breaks one of the rules.

Note that I am 94.7% correct 88% of the time.

 

[Brinnie]

I rest my case.

 

[Etoile]

Where is it?
I've been looking for it everywhere... It's one of those "masterpeice threads" that took 3 hours to write.

It's where all the other "deleted" threads go. Nothing is ever actually deleted by mods, even the spam - it just gets moved to where only the mods can see it.

You didn't say it had to be found somewhere you could access, so I figure I still get the reward. I'll take a golden ticket instead of $1000 though.

 

[Brinnie]

It's where all the other "deleted" threads go. Nothing is ever actually deleted by mods, even the spam - it just gets moved to where only the mods can see it.

You didn't say it had to be found somewhere you could access, so I figure I still get the reward. I'll take a golden ticket instead of $1000 though.

Just because it's in the que to be physically deleted by an admin doesn't mean it's not deleted.
It's like throwing it in the trash but not emptying it.

But I'll make you a deal: If you copy my post and PM it to me, I'll give you your golden ticket.

Btw, I saw that movie last night (10 PM) ... Hillarious.

 

[Etoile]

Correct, but one forum section in this place, the general board, has a tradition of being unmoderated. Anything goes in that forum. If a moderator (not the owners, just a mod of some other section) starts moving stuff out of there or deleting threads, I would strongly suspect an abuse of power is going on...particularly if they are deleting or moving any threads that criticize them or point out their censorship.

I don't know who this lady g is. If she's one of the owners, Brinny is screwed. But if she's just a mod and the threads are being moved out of the GB, she's grossly abusing her moderator privleges. As I understand it, mods are supposed to leave the GB alone. Probably the only only exception would be an illegal post (containing warz, kiddie porn, or something like that). They can do whatever they want, however to their own sections.

Mods can be confused fucked up people just like everybody else. They are usually chosen on the basis of their having a history with lit (they aren't going to disappear immediately goes the thinking) and their popularity with the section they are put in charge of and their desire for the job. This combination does not always make for very sane online behavior, to put it midly, but to give Literotica credit, the mods here do a better job than on most forums, were extreme abuses of power and personal vedettas typically occur. Occasionally a rogue mod ventures into a section not their own and strarts throwing their mod weight around in there. That sort of gross misbehavior should be reported immediately, both to the mods running the section and to the owners as it causes big trouble in a forum for everybody involved.

As Catalina noted, mods have absolutely no power outside their own subforums. I thought it was widely known that no mods can touch the GB. I'd love to see examples of mods "throwing their weight around" in sections not their own, since we can't do that. Flaunting one's mod status may be gaudy but it's not abuse.

I'm actually pretty amazed at a lot of the misconceptions with this post.

You're right that mods can do almost anything within their own sections; that is the point of having mods. And obviously if someone is truly abusing their mod privileges within their own forum, it is the members who must speak up and voice their displeasure. And yes, we can be screwed up people too; again it is the responsibility of the populace to complain about what they feel is inappropriate.

So again, it's not that the GB has a "tradition" of being unmoderated. It's that it simply has no moderator. The "tradition" is actually Laurel and Manu's lack of interest in moderating anything but spam and illegal activities.

Again, I was quite surprised by this post.

 

[catalina_francisco]

It's where all the other "deleted" threads go. Nothing is ever actually deleted by mods, even the spam - it just gets moved to where only the mods can see it.

It is true we cannot delete threads instead placing them in the mod Q, but threads have been deleted and bypassed the mod Q...Marquis' former thread being one...but it is not something I am aware we are capable of doing so in essence if someone's thread disappears and anyone thinks the decision is incorrect, it is possible to contact Laurel or Manu to get an explanation and ifpossible a reinstatement of the thread if no guidelines have been broken. If a post breaks the guidelines, it is possible to remove it without removing the whole thread also. I actually think it is good this has all been highlighted as there seems to be a lot of mystery surrounding the whole process for many.

Catalina

 

[laughingbadger]

I am a moderator on another board, and personal attacks are locked. That is all there is to it. First personal attack, I send an e-mail and post in the forum a rules reminder, second, a less polite e-mail and a locked thread, third offence, the member is banned from the site.

I did belong to another online community, and the owner of the board, if she didn't agree with the opinions of the members, would lock threads BOOM just like that. Her best friend was a moderator, and between the two of them, the place shut down in under a year, as there was no dissent permitted. I have been watching this site for awhile and haven't seen moderators running amok with their Super Powers.

 

[Brinnie]

As Catalina noted, mods have absolutely no power outside their own subforums. I thought it was widely known that no mods can touch the GB. I'd love to see examples of mods "throwing their weight around" in sections not their own, since we can't do that. Flaunting one's mod status may be gaudy but it's not abuse.

I sat there on the GB for 5 hours one night... 5 hours and watched my posts be censored, over and over and over.


I had no idea what was going on. I wanted to fucking kill someone.

This is the thread.

And obviously if someone is truly abusing their mod privileges within their own forum, it is the members who must speak up and voice their displeasure. And yes, we can be screwed up people too; again it is the responsibility of the populace to complain about what they feel is inappropriate.

That's the beauty of a community.

Essentially, "speaking up" was what I tried to do, but she would delete my threads and posts.

Now that this is as big as this, I don't know if that's an option... I consider that progress.

 

[ShyGuy68]

You know Brinnie, there is a simple solution if you don't like it here, you can leave.

 

[Brinnie]

You know Brinnie, there is a simple solution if you don't like it here, you can leave.

Where does it say you can post whatever you want on a moderated forum here at Lit? Link me up.

Is that it?

I mean, is that all?

That's the best you got?



In all my 5000 posts I don't recall saying: "LADGY IS LITEROTICA".


Did that make sense?

 

[Brinnie]

You know Brinnie, there is a simple solution if you don't like it here, you can leave.

Is that it?

I mean, is that all?



In all my 5000 posts I don't recall saying: "LADGY IS LITEROTICA".


Did that make sense?

 

[esclave_PP]

For the online community I run, we lock threads we don't delete them. Sometimes they are moved, but we let the parties know ahead of time so they don't get pissed off.

We also email folks directly for the same reasons.

 

[Etoile]

I sat there on the GB for 5 hours one night... 5 hours and watched my posts be censored, over and over and over.


I had no idea what was going on. I wanted to fucking kill someone.

This is the thread.

I'll say it again: Literotica moderators cannot perform any moderating actions on the General Board. You won't find a single moderator who can prove me wrong.

The only edits I see on that thread are by you, so unfortunately that thread isn't very good supporting evidence of censorship. As for threads merging, the only two people who can do that are the people who run this site. If they are the ones you're complaining about, then you might want to take ShyGuy68's advice.