Do you think Mueller should be fired?

[BobBalouski]

Sally Yates
Rod Rosenstein
James Comey
Andrew McCabe

Allegedly, those 4 signed-off on the initial FISA warrant, vouching for the truth/authenticity of the now infamous Steele dossier as basis for that warrant.

Here's the deal: both the DOJ and the FBI fully knew who fully financed the political dirt dossier, who contracted Steele to compile the political opposition dirt dossier, and the Russian government sources Steele drew his political dirt dossier's findings from.

But, we thought it was all true...

It's going to be a blast watching how that defense holds up in court, and how the deep state media reacts when indictments arrive.

 

[Hypoxia]

“If the Democrats take over, pardon everyone,” Cernovich said. “They’re coming for you anyway. They have their nuke with impeachment. You have your nuke with pardons. And then settle in for an interesting two years.”

POTUS can pardon federal cases. State and local prosecutors will ignore that. Would any here like to bet that Team Mueller does or doesn't share evidence of illegal transactions in some locales with prosecutors in those locales? Also, accepting a pardon is an admission of guilt. Career prospects may be bleak for those pardoned. They can't all be analysts on FauxNewz.

 

[about_average]

He's surrounded himself with a staff of Clintonistas.

Why did Jared Kushner hire a "Clintonista" as his lawyer??

 

[BobaFetaCheese]

Why did Jared Kushner hire a "Clintonista" as his lawyer??

Because he's as guilty as the Clintons so wants the best.
I wouldn't mind seeing him go to jail but he won't. You tend to dodge those bullets when dad-in-law can pardon you.
Be nice if Ivanka was single tho. Could make my move.

 

[about_average]

The FBI already issued a statement DAYS AGO that, after reviewing the Nunez memo, they believe it omits critical facts and reveals classified intel and/or methods. (That it doesn't seem to do this casts suspicion on the FBI's other claims in my mind. Especially when THEY are the ones named in the memo. Classic dodge by trying to shift the focus away from the offenders.)

The one given to trump to review was altered, according to committee members, after the FBI's initial review.

The Dem memo hasn't been released so you don't KNOW what's in it or what the person(s) who wrote it had or hadn't examined.

I never said I knew what was in it.
The person who wrote it said he'd read the underlying information. Nunes says he hadn't read the under lying information

The Nunez memo isn't an opinion, it's a summary of evidence. You can disagree with it, or choose to interpret it differently than the conclusion at the end, but it's not an "opinion".

It's an interpretation of the underlying information. That makes it an opinion.

The thing about the memo isn't that it points fingers at the DNC, Fusion GPS, Steele as well as Rosenstein and company. It's a bit more complicated than that because of what's left out of the media frenzy.

And what's left out of the memo, like that the FISA warrant wasn't based solely on the Steele dossier.

Item #1 is that the FBI already had Rick Gates on their radar since 2013. He went to work for Trump's campaign in 2016. So we have 3 years of surveillance on this guy BEFORE he joined the campaign.

So they should stop when he joined the campaign?

Item #2 is that Hillary and the DNC paid Fusion to pay Steele to create what we now suspect is more likely than not a phony dossier. It's so obviously phony even Hillary couldn't use the information in it.

Only the people who beleive the Fox talking points.

Conclusion: Hillary used Fusion to create a lie and then used that lie to assert criminal behavior by her political opponent. There is only 1 reason she'd do that - to try and ensure she'd win the election. Otherwise, what's the point to doing it.

Except it's not a lie, the FBI has verified parts of it.
She didn't need the dossier to assert criminal behavior, trump has a history of it.
The information is out there who cares to look for it.

 

[Aglaopheme]

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/do...-job-return-n849916?__twitter_impression=true

Federal investigators are probing whether former Trump campaign chair Paul Manafort promised a Chicago banker a job in the Trump White House in return for $16 million in home loans, two people with direct knowledge of the matter told NBC News.

Manafort received three separate loans in December 2016 and January 2017 from Federal Savings Bank for homes in New York City and the Hamptons.

The banker, Stephen Calk, president of the Federal Savings Bank, was announced as a member of candidate Trump's Council of Economic Advisers in August 2016.

Special counsel Robert Mueller's team is now investigating whether there was a quid pro quo agreement between Manafort and Calk. Manafort left the Trump campaign in August 2016 after the millions he had earned working for a pro-Russian political party in Ukraine drew media scrutiny. Calk did not receive a job in President Donald Trump's cabinet.

https://www.politico.com/amp/story/...riminal-case-419685?__twitter_impression=true

New charges have been filed in Special Counsel Robert Mueller's criminal case against former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort and aide Rick Gates, but the charges were put under seal by the court, obscuring the nature and import of the development.

The new charging document filed in federal court in Washington could be a superseding indictment, adding new charges or even new defendants to the charges filed last October, accusing Manafort and Gates of money laundering and failing to register as foreign agents for their work related to Ukraine, among other crimes.

 

[BobBalouski]

Meanwhile, House Intelligence Committee Chairman Nunes sent letters yesterday to James Comey, James Clapper and John Brennan requiring them all to answer when they first learned the Steele dossier was funded by Democratic sources, and to explain exactly how the Steele dossier was used to obtain one or more FISC warrants. Included in Nunes letters to the three:

If you do not provide timely answers on a voluntary basis, the Committee will initiate compulsory process.”

Comey, Clapper and Brennan are all three already on record lying to Congress under oath more than once - let's see how they respond now as the fire is turned-up.

 

[HisArpy]

The one given to trump to review was altered, according to committee members, after the FBI's initial review.

I never said I knew what was in it.
The person who wrote it said he'd read the underlying information. Nunes says he hadn't read the under lying information

It's an interpretation of the underlying information. That makes it an opinion.

And what's left out of the memo, like that the FISA warrant wasn't based solely on the Steele dossier.

So they should stop when he joined the campaign?

Only the people who beleive the Fox talking points.

Except it's not a lie, the FBI has verified parts of it.
She didn't need the dossier to assert criminal behavior, trump has a history of it.
The information is out there who cares to look for it.

Geezus, you just don't quit do you?

The Nunez memo is a summary of the evidence as detailed by Intel Committee STAFF who DID review the evidence. The Dem memo is ALSO a summary of the evidence as written by STAFF who reviewed the information. Neither Nunes nor Schiff actually wrote the damn memo's.

The Nunez memo made some "non critical" changes to comply with FBI requests and fix typos. Equating that to "it's a completely different memo" is stupid and everyone can see how stupid it is. Except maybe you. But that's ok, it just shows how deeply entrenched in the Dem narrative you are and everyone can disregard everything you say because it has NO BASIS in actual reality. It's spin spin spin and nothing but spin to the point no one even questions why you're so dizzy brained.

Hillary pointed her bitchy finger at Trump and created the fake collusion meme to justify why she fucked up and lost. Mueller's been "investigating" for over a year and so far he's got bupkiss except pleas to low level offenses. Manafort and Gates both pleaded NOT GUILTY and until they are PROVEN guilty, there's nothing there.

'T'were me, I would call Mueller before the Committee and force him to produce his investigation results on TRUMP and the CAMPAIGN. If he doesn't have anything other than basic investigation and the indictments he's already made, I'd recommend Rosenstein fire him because what it looks like (from the outside) is that he's strayed far from his mandate in what he's actually finding. And those offenses are not related, except extremely remotely, to the campaign or Trump.

 

[Hypoxia]

Hillary pointed her bitchy finger at Trump and created the fake collusion meme to justify why she fucked up and lost.

Don Jr freely confessed that Team Tromp colluded with Russians. Try again. BTW do you like being ruled by a whining, blame-pointing luzer?

Mueller's been "investigating" for over a year and so far he's got bupkiss except pleas to low level offenses.

Real investigations take time and I don't recall that Mueller was given a deadline. Try again.

...what it looks like (from the outside) is that he's strayed far from his mandate in what he's actually finding. And those offenses are not related, except extremely remotely, to the campaign or Trump.

Mueller's mandate was to follow all leads. That's just what he's doing. Try again.

 

[Sean]

Don Jr freely confessed that Team Tromp colluded with Russians. Try again. BTW do you like being ruled by a whining, blame-pointing luzer?

Real investigations take time and I don't recall that Mueller was given a deadline. Try again.

Mueller's mandate was to follow all leads. That's just what he's doing. Try again.

Tim thinks Ken Starr was given two weeks to investigate blowjobs.

 

[cowslinger64]

Geezus, you just don't quit do you?

The Nunez memo is a summary of the evidence as detailed by Intel Committee STAFF who DID review the evidence. The Dem memo is ALSO a summary of the evidence as written by STAFF who reviewed the information. Neither Nunes nor Schiff actually wrote the damn memo's.

The Nunez memo made some "non critical" changes to comply with FBI requests and fix typos. Equating that to "it's a completely different memo" is stupid and everyone can see how stupid it is. Except maybe you. But that's ok, it just shows how deeply entrenched in the Dem narrative you are and everyone can disregard everything you say because it has NO BASIS in actual reality. It's spin spin spin and nothing but spin to the point no one even questions why you're so dizzy brained.

Hillary pointed her bitchy finger at Trump and created the fake collusion meme to justify why she fucked up and lost. Mueller's been "investigating" for over a year and so far he's got bupkiss except pleas to low level offenses. Manafort and Gates both pleaded NOT GUILTY and until they are PROVEN guilty, there's nothing there.

'T'were me, I would call Mueller before the Committee and force him to produce his investigation results on TRUMP and the CAMPAIGN. If he doesn't have anything other than basic investigation and the indictments he's already made, I'd recommend Rosenstein fire him because what it looks like (from the outside) is that he's strayed far from his mandate in what he's actually finding. And those offenses are not related, except extremely remotely, to the campaign or Trump.

You'd never be whining if this investigation were focused on Clinton.. And who knows, she may end up getting caught in it.


More charges... BTW.

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/manafort-gates-reportedly-facing-charges-182400015.html

 

[HisArpy]

Don Jr freely confessed that Team Tromp colluded with Russians. Try again. BTW do you like being ruled by a whining, blame-pointing luzer?

Cite that actually SAYS that Jr admits to "colluding with the Russians" please.

Real investigations take time and I don't recall that Mueller was given a deadline. Try again.

True. But he can't just sit there sucking up taxpayer dollars by the millions with no results. Put up or shut up time is approaching.

Mueller's mandate was to follow all leads. That's just what he's doing. Try again.

Wrong. Mueller's appointment was to "ensure a full and thorough investigation of the Russian government's attempts to interfere in the 2016 Presidential election". He is also authorized 'if he believes it necessary and appropriate, to prosecute Federal crimes arising from the investigation in these matters".

Thus, his mandate is to investigate the Russian interference and any associated offense DURING the 2016 elections.

So far what' Mueller seems to be investigating are crimes not connected to the "Russian interference in the 2016 Presidential election" And, none of the indictments (other than the recent indictment for the 13 Russians) seem to be anything even remotely "arising" from his investigation into interference with the 2016 elections.

What he's done is tag Flynn and Papodopolous for lying to the FBI. Gates and Manafort for not registering as foreign agents (and the new charges against Manafort for selling access). And now that lawyer for destroying evidence and lying about it. WHERE'S THE BEEF on "Russian attempts to interfere with the 2016 Presidential election"? How are ANY of those things even remotely associated with the "Presidential election of 2016"?

Yes he found those offenses. The question isn't that he found them. THE question is that he's looking outside his mandate which consists of investigating interference with the 2016 election. Not failing to register as a foreign agent in prior years. If that's all he's found, then he needs to say so and end his investigation. If he won't, then Congress should find out what he's got and, if nothing more than that, tell Rosenstein to shut him down.

I'd say the same even if it was H who was being investigated. Or Obama. I don't do witch hunts no matter which side of the aisle the target sits on.

 

[cowslinger64]

Cite that actually SAYS that Jr admits to "colluding with the Russians" please.



True. But he can't just sit there sucking up taxpayer dollars by the millions with no results. Put up or shut up time is approaching.



Wrong. Mueller's appointment was to "ensure a full and thorough investigation of the Russian government's attempts to interfere in the 2016 Presidential election". He is also authorized 'if he believes it necessary and appropriate, to prosecute Federal crimes arising from the investigation in these matters".

Thus, his mandate is to investigate the Russian interference and any associated offense DURING the 2016 elections.

So far what' Mueller seems to be investigating are crimes not connected to the "Russian interference in the 2016 Presidential election" And, none of the indictments (other than the recent indictment for the 13 Russians) seem to be anything even remotely "arising" from his investigation into interference with the 2016 elections.

What he's done is tag Flynn and Papodopolous for lying to the FBI. Gates and Manafort for not registering as foreign agents (and the new charges against Manafort for selling access). And now that lawyer for destroying evidence and lying about it. WHERE'S THE BEEF on "Russian attempts to interfere with the 2016 Presidential election"? How are ANY of those things even remotely associated with the "Presidential election of 2016"?

Yes he found those offenses. The question isn't that he found them. THE question is that he's looking outside his mandate which consists of investigating interference with the 2016 election. Not failing to register as a foreign agent in prior years. If that's all he's found, then he needs to say so and end his investigation. If he won't, then Congress should find out what he's got and, if nothing more than that, tell Rosenstein to shut him down.

I'd say the same even if it was H who was being investigated. Or Obama. I don't do witch hunts no matter which side of the aisle the target sits on.

Wrong.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/mueller-authority-russia-investigation-2017-7

In appointing Mueller, however, Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein gave him broad authority not only to investigate "any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated" with Trump's campaign, but also to examine "any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation."

Rosenstein also gave Mueller the power to investigate "any other matters within the scope of 28 C.F.R. § 600.4(a)" - including perjury, obstruction of justice, destruction of evidence, and intimidation of witnesses


And while it's your word, I call total bullshit on your last point. Your too much of a right wing hack to be believable on it.

 

[doowdniw]

Multiple felony indictments and guilty pleas = bupkiss. Got it.

Yeah, guilty pleas so far are for lying to federal investigators. But why did they feel the need to lie? What were they trying to cover up? Mueller probably already knows the answers to both.

 

[Hypoxia]

Multiple felony indictments and guilty pleas = bupkiss. Got it.

Yeah, guilty pleas so far are for lying to federal investigators. But why did they feel the need to lie? What were they trying to cover up? Mueller probably already knows the answers to both.

You plead GUILTY because 1) you want to get it over with, or 2) you see hate in the jury's eyes, or 3) you cut a deal: lower charges, less pain, in exchange for... something of value to the prosecutor, like squealing on the bosses.

Plea bargain. Go GUILTY on lying to Feds rather than be sent up for treason. Guys NOT pleading may have figured that prison is safer than squealing on Russian mafiyas. Let's see how long these players survive.

 

[richard_daily]

You plead GUILTY because 1) you want to get it over with, or 2) you see hate in the jury's eyes, or 3) you cut a deal: lower charges, less pain, in exchange for... something of value to the prosecutor, like squealing on the bosses.

Plea bargain. Go GUILTY on lying to Feds rather than be sent up for treason. Guys NOT pleading may have figured that prison is safer than squealing on Russian mafiyas. Let's see how long these players survive.

There's another reason to plead guilty: because you can't afford to go to trial.

The way our justice system works, you have to buy justice.

Not saying that's necessarily the case here, but there are plenty of reasons for someone to plead out because they can't afford to go to trial.

Irregardless of that point, Trump's campaign staff was dirty as fuck, and money laundering charges are coming soon.

 

[about_average]

The Nunez memo is a summary of the evidence as detailed by Intel Committee STAFF who DID review the evidence. The Dem memo is ALSO a summary of the evidence as written by STAFF who reviewed the information. Neither Nunes nor Schiff actually wrote the damn memo's.

You can call them what you want, but they are opinions on intelligence information.
Nunes put his name on an opinion about something he has not read.
Schiff, assuming you are right and didn't write the democratic memo, put his name on an opinion about something he has read.

See the difference? Nunes has no idea if his memo is accurate or not (though he did admit after the fact that is was misleading).
Schiff knows whether the dem memo is accurate or not.

The Nunez memo made some "non critical" changes to comply with FBI requests and fix typos. Equating that to "it's a completely different memo" is stupid and everyone can see how stupid it is. Except maybe you.

Quote where I said "it's a completely different memo".
Oh, wait, I didn't.
You're completely full of shit, so fuck off. I gave you another chance to be reasonable but you're so fucking partisan you can't help making shit up.

 

[about_average]

Don Jr freely confessed that Team Tromp colluded with Russians.

The meeting at Trump Tower? That was just an attempt to collude.

 

[about_average]

Wrong.

Of course it is. Everyone like Arpy whining about overreach has not read they actual letter from Rosenstein, they just get their alternate facts from Fox or the like.

 

[HisArpy]

Wrong.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/mueller-authority-russia-investigation-2017-7

In appointing Mueller, however, Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein gave him broad authority not only to investigate "any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated" with Trump's campaign, but also to examine "any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation."

Rosenstein also gave Mueller the power to investigate "any other matters within the scope of 28 C.F.R. § 600.4(a)" - including perjury, obstruction of justice, destruction of evidence, and intimidation of witnesses

And while it's your word, I call total bullshit on your last point. Your too much of a right wing hack to be believable on it.

Rosenstien appointed Mueller with the mandate that Mueller investigate things "ARISING FROM". That's not a mandate to go off any which way.

My beliefs are my beliefs. That you choose to be partisan about what I believe because it doesn't fit your narrative in no way affects what I believe or do. I don't do witch hunts.

You can call them what you want, but they are opinions on intelligence information.
Nunes put his name on an opinion about something he has not read.
Schiff, assuming you are right and didn't write the democratic memo, put his name on an opinion about something he has read.

See the difference? Nunes has no idea if his memo is accurate or not (though he did admit after the fact that is was misleading).
Schiff knows whether the dem memo is accurate or not.

where I said "it's a completely different memo".
Oh, wait, I didn't.
You're completely full of shit, so fuck off. I gave you another chance to be reasonable but you're so fucking partisan you can't help making shit up.

Of course it is. Everyone like Arpy whining about overreach has not read they actual letter from Rosenstein, they just get their alternate facts from Fox or the like.

Speaking as someone who HAS read the memo I'd say you're full of it. The memo CLEARLY has a header on it that states RIGHT THERE FOR EVERYONE AND ANYONE TO SEE that it was written by "STAFF". Apparently of the 2 of us, I'm the one who has read it and you aren't.

And, YOU are the one who said that the memo that was passed by the House to be released was "altered". If something is "altered" then it's not the same as the original now is it? Of course not. But you mince parables in an attempt to deflect when you're caught in a gross lie attempting to INFER that there's shady shit going on when there isn't.

To throw that back at you; OMG! Schiff is expected to release his memo soon (maybe this week) AFTER HE CHANGES IT from the version that the House voted to release. He's, he's going to REDACT parts of it and make changes to other parts! He's ALTERING the document...

Your whole attempt to deflect from your own words shows what a fuckwit you are.

 

[Aglaopheme]

The meeting at Trump Tower? That was just an attempt to collude.

We don’t really know if anything was given or not for sure. Also, an attempt, or solicitation, is the same crime in the eyes of the FEC.

 

[cowslinger64]

Rosenstien appointed Mueller with the mandate that Mueller investigate things "ARISING FROM". That's not a mandate to go off any which way.

My beliefs are my beliefs. That you choose to be partisan about what I believe because it doesn't fit your narrative in no way affects what I believe or do. I don't do witch hunts.


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I'm not being partisan on it.. After debating with you and reading your posts, I doubt you have the ability to be non partisan.. Or at least when it comes to Clinton and Obama.

The memo was political bullshit. Let the investigation, led by a republican, continue unabated. As I said before, you know as much about what's going on as anyone else.. Which is not a lot. As it should be at this point.

 

[BobBalouski]

Clinton campaign / Democrat National Committee > Perkins Coie > Fusion GPS > foreign agent Christopher Steele > Russian government

Can any socialists/progressives update the GB on Mueller's progress investigating the unarguable "collusion" to purposely influence the 2016 election, as factually documented above? Thnx.

 

[Aglaopheme]

Simple. Soliciting or accepting a donation =/= paying for opposition research. One is illegal the other is not.

 

[HisArpy]

I'm not being partisan on it.. After debating with you and reading your posts, I doubt you have the ability to be non partisan.. Or at least when it comes to Clinton and Obama.

The memo was political bullshit. Let the investigation, led by a republican, continue unabated. As I said before, you know as much about what's going on as anyone else.. Which is not a lot. As it should be at this point.

The memo was released because the Intelligence Committee believed that the FBI and DOJ were hiding facts and hindering the investigation. That's actually their JOB as they provide oversight. You know, release findings and make reports to the House. Even before it was released the Dem's and MSM were screaming about how it contained classified materials and the public shouldn't know these things.

Yet, upon release that tune changed to "it's all lies - they didn't see the actual evidence - it's just an opinion!!!"

And you claim I'm the one who's partisan.

As for Mueller; his mandate, and the limits inherent in it, is set by his appointment letter. The language of that letter is pretty clear. And it's becoming worrisome that he's gone off on a tangent far removed from that mandate. It's time to call him onto the carpet and find out what he's got. That too, is the job of the House Select Committee on Intelligence.

I'm not partisan. I'm all about truth. I can be honestly mistaken, but I do not lie. Or slant the truth. Most here couldn't find the truth if it was wrapped around the TP roll.