Do you think Mueller should be fired?

[Aglaopheme]

I'm all for that too. Get it all out into the open and let's see how many times the name Rosenstein pops up in relation to FISA warrants and the fake dossier.

You do know that Rosenstein only has the FISA warrant on Page extended, right?

 

[Rightguide]

In a digital society, evidence means nothing.

Katy Perry, Justin Bieber and Obama are the 3 most important people in the world.

Fortunately, the glitz of celebrity holds little sway in a grand jury proceeding. Everyone shrinks into insignificance in the eyes of a grand jury. Ironically, even prosecutors are afraid of grand juries.

 

[Rightguide]

Well, the Republicans refused to release the Democratic memo. Why would they do such a thing?

As for the dossier, I have long ago posted all of the truths revealed therein. Somehow, folks brushed right over that.

Because it's a gratuitous lie and they do not speak for the Committee.

 

[Aglaopheme]

Because it's a gratuitous lie and they do not speak for the Committee.

How do you know which one is a lie? The Comittee doesn’t speak for itself? Only the Republicans on the comittee should have a voice?

How dare we renew a FISA warrant on a person that had been meeting with Russian spies that were trying to recruit him for years?

 

[Aglaopheme]

Because the process has become toxic. Trey Gowdy voted to release it.

"The committee did make a Democratic memo rebutting the Republican version available to the full House, but Republicans said they wanted time for members to review the document before considering its public release."

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/29/...memo-vote-house-intelligence-republicans.html

Same process. No?

He didn’t vote for it, but it seems he did want the FBI to see the memo first, as should everyone, if you ask me.

The GOP-led panel voted along party lines to release the secret document — which was written by Republicans — and against making public a competing memo Democrats had crafted, said Rep. Adam Schiff, the top Democrat on the committee. The group also rejected a proposal to give the Justice Department and FBI more time to vet the Republican document, he said.

Though Gowdy, a former federal prosecutor, helped craft the memo and has championed its public release, he said on "Fox News Sunday" that he believed the FBI should see the memo before it comes out. He also said it shouldn't be used to interfere with Mueller's probe.

"I told my Republican colleagues, ‘Leave him the hell alone,’ and that’s still my advice,” Gowdy said.

The process was the same.

 

[Rightguide]

How do you know which one is a lie? The Comittee doesn’t speak for itself? Only the Republicans on the comittee should have a voice?

How dare we renew a FISA warrant on a person that had been meeting with Russian spies that were trying to recruit him for years?

He did not meet with Russian spies and we will discover in the coming days the FISA warrant application was a fraud on the Court which will have legal ramifications for whoever signed the application claiming it was legitimate intelligence. Rosenstein could be the next to leave the DOJ.

 

[Aglaopheme]

He did not meet with Russian spies and we will discover in the coming days the FISA warrant application was a fraud on the Court which will have legal ramifications for whoever signed the application claiming it was legitimate intelligence. Rosenstein could be the next to leave the DOJ.

Okay.....why was the original FISA warrant granted? Because, again, Rosenstein just got an extention on an existsing warrant.

 

[Aglaopheme]

Speaking of gratuitous lying

https://lawfareblog.com/big-lies-law-enforcement

The “Big Lie” passage from “Mein Kampf” is one of the turgid tome’s most famous passages. It reads:

All this was inspired by the principle—which is quite true in itself—that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying.

No American president in history—no national political figure of any kind since at least Senator Joe McCarthy—has trafficked more in untruths that Donald Trump. He owed the start of his political career to the Birther hoax. He falsely insisted that he lost the popular vote only because of somewhere between three and five million ballots cast by illegal aliens. He repeated false stories about New Jersey Muslims cheering the 9/11 attacks. He recited false statistics about the majors of terrorists since 9/11 entering the United States from foreign countries. He falsely denied that his campaign communicated with Russia about hacking the Hillary Clinton campaign. He falsely boasted that he enacted more bills in his first one hundred days and first six months than any previous president. He even told a false anecdote about an imaginary friend named “Jim” who never visits Paris anymore because “Paris is no longer Paris.”
The Washington Post keeps a running tally of Trump’s lies since entering office. As of Monday, Jan. 19, it documents 2,140 false or misleading claims.

Not all of Trump’s lies are big lies. But some certainly are. And among the biggest, most audacious, most “colossal” or “grossly impudent” is the way he talks about federal law enforcement. To understand why the defense of Rosenstein has become so critical, let’s take a step back and consider this big lie. And let’s consider it beyond the almost-comical point that Rosenstein, a lifelong Republican appointed to Senate-confirmed positions by two Republican administrations, is being tarred as a “Democrat from Baltimore” with a vendetta against the president.

 

[brewer_prince]

Whenever political corruption is suspected there are three cardinal rules:-

1. Follow the money.

2. Follow the money.

3. Follow the money.

That is what Meuller is doing. Money is the DNA of political/financial crime; it always leaves a trail, a documented trail, and documents are hard evidence. It may take time but Meuller knows what he is doing.

Meanwhile we can speculate to our heart's content.

You are absolutely right about the money trail.

 

[WoundedKnee]

I just watched him state on television that he voted for the release of the Democrat memo.

 

[WoundedKnee]

Always, like the History Channel, it's straight to Hitler and the Nazis.

Democrats claim that Adolf Hitler is the most successful politician in American history, having been elected president in 1968, 1972, 1980, 1984, 1988, 2000, 2004, and 2016.
Daniel G. Jones

 

[Aglaopheme]

I just watched him state on television that he voted for the release of the Democrat memo.

I tried to find confirmation of that. I will keep looking.

 

[Aglaopheme]

Always, like the History Channel, it's straight to Hitler and the Nazis.

Democrats claim that Adolf Hitler is the most successful politician in American history, having been elected president in 1968, 1972, 1980, 1984, 1988, 2000, 2004, and 2016.
Daniel G. Jones

Did you read the piece?

Let me pause a moment to say that I hate Nazi comparisons. Unless there are literally bodies piling up, and even when there are, they are nearly always specious. So I’m not going to quote “Mein Kampf” to compare Trump to Adolf Hitler or to compare Trump’s defenders to Nazis. And to be crystal clear, I hereby disclaim any such comparison. I refer to “Mein Kampf” because Hitler was extremely insightful in a pure-evil kind of way on the subject of lies. I’m quoting him, in other words, not as an analogy but as an authority.

 

[WoundedKnee]

No. It's not interest-worthy. That sounds like a caveat carve out usually followed by language that is always a variation on, "but in this case..."

 

[cowslinger64]

I tried to find confirmation of that. I will keep looking.

You would have needed to be at the same Dennys as AJ, Mueller and Gowdy were this morning.. Discussing the memo and investigation. Ya snooze us lose.

 

[PollDancer]

https://blog.iqoption.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/29-05-min.jpg

 

[richard_daily]

I tried to find confirmation of that. I will keep looking.

AJ could always post it, but it doesn't exist, so he won't.

 

[Aglaopheme]

He did not meet with Russian spies and we will discover in the coming days the FISA warrant application was a fraud on the Court which will have legal ramifications for whoever signed the application claiming it was legitimate intelligence. Rosenstein could be the next to leave the DOJ.

Hmmmm

Page confirmed to ABC News that he is the individual identified as "Male-1" in a 2015 court document submitted in a case involving the Russian spies.


Page told ABC News he cooperated in the case and felt the feds "unmasked" him by describing him in January 2015 in a manner that would be known to energy insiders.

"I didn't want to be a spy," he said in an interview early Monday afternoon. "I'm not a spy."

According to the document, the FBI interviewed Page as part of an investigation stemming from the indictment of three Russian men identified as agents of the Russian foreign intelligence agency, the SVR. One of them, Evgeny Buryakov, was operating undercover as an executive in the New York office of a Russian development bank. The Buryakov case resurfaced in headlines last week when President Trump's son-in-law, Jared Kushner, revealed he had met with the head of that bank. Buryakov was sentenced to 30 months in prison as part of a plea agreement, but he was released from prison over the weekend and is awaiting deportation to Russia.
In the FBI court filings, spy recruiters were overheard speaking with Buryakov about "the attempted use of Male-1 as an intelligence source for Russia," the court record says. The recruiter says he "promised Male-1 a lot" and told him he would use his "connections in Russia" to "push contracts" his way. "For now, his enthusiasm works for me," the recruiter says of Page.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trum...page-targeted-russian-spies/story?id=46557506

 

[Hypoxia]

The chickens squawk louder and flap furiouser as the fox nears the henhouse.

 

[Aglaopheme]

No. It's not interest-worthy. That sounds like a caveat carve out usually followed by language that is always a variation on, "but in this case..."

So, skip over that part. What do you have to lose?

 

[PollDancer]

"Should he be fired?" doesn't matter.

Will he fire him is what matters.
I hope he does fire Mueller. More fun!

 

[Comshaw]

"Should he be fired?" doesn't matter.

Will he fire him is what matters.
I hope he does fire Mueller. More fun!

I think the question should be, why? If the Donald fires him the political fall out will be devastating to him and the Republican party. So why would he want to chance that? If there is nothing to find, as many here, in the Trump administration and congress have claimed, why not let it play out and exonerate the Donald and his team? With a majority in both the house and senate the conspiracy theorists here and the Republicans in congress shouldn't be afraid of a frame up because they have the votes to stop it.

On the other hand if there is something to find, if there is evidence some of or all of Trump's team was colluding with the Russians, isn't it the wise course to find out? Do you really want to close your eyes and allow a foreign government to manipulate our political process? Or don't you really care as long as the policies you see as the right ones get installed and enforced? If that's the case and the ends justify the means, no matter what the means are, we are in a heap of trouble.

Again why? Why not let it play out? Why not find out once and for all if there is anything in the allegations made? Maybe those who oppose this investigation know what's coming, know what will be revealed in the end. If there is another logical, coherent, fact supported explanation, please spit it out. Why?

Comshaw

 

[PollDancer]

You think there is a way to hind out "why" or even "what" really happened?

That's funny!

 

[Hypoxia]

You think there is a way to hind out "why" or even "what" really happened?

That's funny!

I think money transfers and resultant actions can be traced, emails found, and guilt established from that. Notice that Team Mueller are packed with accountants. Anyway, what 'really' happened is irrelevant. Actionable evidence is sufficient. Golden Showers are diverting dead-ends, fun but not felonious. Follow the money.

 

[BotanyBoy]

As long as you're here talking out your ass and it entertains me to point out your ridiculous stupidity and totally unbelievable lies... I'm here for you.

What unbelievable lies??

I guarantee your bullshit will long outlast me calling you on it..

You've never called me on anything......

The one time you tried I skull fucked you with it so hard you've been reduced to 2nd grade name calling ever since.

'Your so stoopid poo poo head 500lb megalomaniac!!'

Over....and over....and over again.