Do You Think Help Is Only A 911 Call Away?

Todd

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That's what Joyce Mangino thought. She thought that if she ever really needed help, she could just pick up the telephone and call the Sacramento County (California) Sheriff's Department.

Then it happened. Last Tuesday at 4 a.m., she was awakened by the sound of someone pounding on the front door of her home and ringing her doorbell incessantly. She told her oldest daughter not to answer the door!

Outside was a crazed man who looked like a biker. With the security screen locked, Mangino cracked open the door. The man said, "Lady, this is your unlucky day." He yelled at Mangino and her husband and kicked repeatedly
at the security screen.

Mangino dialed 911. By the time the call went through, the biker had torn the Manginos' mailbox off its post and was doing donuts on his motorcycle in front of the house. The 911 dispatcher told Joyce Mangino that officers would respond. The man had left their yard by the end of the call, but the frightened family didn't know if he would be back.

No one showed up. Mangino called 911 again. This time, the man was on the next street, yelling at another neighbor, who turned out to be the man's mother. The woman was pleading with him not to hit her. Dispatchers told Mangino that deputies were backlogged. At the same time the Manginos were being terrorized, a man was threatening to kill himself at an apartment complex in the north area of town.

Two squad cars finally arrived...70 minutes after Joyce Mangino's first 911 call. Mangino is disillusioned at the response.

The Manginos are finally realizing what many other Americans have discovered: Dialing 911 does not always bring a potentially violent confrontation to an end. In fact, several court cases have established that the police have no obligation to protect individual citizens--only the public at large. In most cases, they're the mop-up crew. The nasty stuff has already gone down before they arrive on the scene. Researchers say that fewer than 5 percent of all calls dispatched to police are made quickly enough to stop a crime or arrest a suspect.

The only way a law-abiding American can end a confrontation is to do it himself. That guy with the knife isn't going to wait patiently for the cops to arrive before he charges you. That home invader isn't going to wait for the blue lights. That rapist isn't going to listen when you ask, "Could you hold on a second while I dial 911?" You have to take your safety into your own hands.

Just think how that biker's attitude would have changed if the Manginos had shown him a gun. If the Manginos had made it crystal clear that any attack on them would be met with deadly force, odds are that the biker would have turned tail and run. In 98 percent of cases where an attack is stopped by a gun, the gun is never fired.

All of these gun-control advocates who say you should disarm and let the police stop criminals are asking you to play Russian roulette with your safety. Your safety begins with YOU...not a squad car that could arrive in 70 minutes.

http://www.knoxstudio.com/shns/story.cfm?pk=GRIEGO-08-09-01&cat=KE
https://www.keepandbeararms.com/information/XcIBViewItem.asp?id=2064
 
in response to the title query, no. that is why i keep a wooden club at my bedside and learned self-defense.
 
Interesting that...

you've omitted part of the article you referenced, which at least presents the police's position:

"As it turns out, the Sheriff's Department had listed the call as "a neighborhood dispute" and was simultaneously handling a delicate situation of the highest priority elsewhere in the north area. That call involved a man with a .44-caliber pistol threatening to kill himself in the open grass courtyard of an apartment complex, Lewis said. He killed himself as officers tried to talk him out of it.

"It was pretty touchy," he said. At least 22 units, five supervisors and two hostage negotiators were at that scene. "Had we had units available, we gladly would have sent them (to the Mangino residence)," he said."

Not that that is an excuse, but it does show that there wasn't a blatant disregard for their safety.
 
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so that's todd's secret

he doesn't post the whole thing....

hell i live in davis now. sac sux anyway. hell, i think the worst thing that ever happened in this town was a murder once or a car jacking....

this place is nothing like san diego where i came from...

too bad it isn't, i'm homesick.

i've wondered what would happen if someone went to the albertson's across the street from my apartment complex i'm sub-leasing in and started going on a shooting spree...

no worries, i'm not that cracked, and being a college student paying my way through college, i'm too damned poor to buy an ak-47. i miss sd, but i don't miss it THAT much.
 
tmuyo said:
Re: so that's todd's secret, he doesn't post the whole thing....

BaddaBing.

I know a 911 Operator. I know cops. I know a stinky underthought Todd point when I smell its ripening odor.

Let's be clear (God knows Todd needs things spelled out for him - "Nuance" isn't exactly in his vocabularly), I support having a gun to protect yourself at home. But the MOMENT you read something like "The only way a law-abiding American can end a confrontation is to do it himself." is the moment anyone with a thought in his head larger than a cum-bubble should use the rest of the article to wipe his ass.

Anyone see the Diane Sawyer report the other night? The one where they placed guns in an athletic room and videotaped teens finding them and stealing them? They played the tapes for the shocked parents who moments earlier swore "My kid wouldn't do that."

And worse! They had videotape of kids 9 and 10 years old showing the reporters that, yes, they knew where Mom and Dad "hid" their guns. And in all the cases I saw -- the gund were loaded.

Scarier too, was the videotape of 3 and 4 year olds playing with (unloaded) guns left in a playroom by the producers. It wasn't so much that they played with them, but HOW they played with them. At 3 years old the kids knew that the guns should be pointed at someone, the trigger should be pulled, a sound should come out (they made the baning sounds themselves) -- they even knew about bullets -- one little girl tried to load the gun with crayons.

And the other kids knew that when "shot" they were supposed to fall down dead.

Now, you give a three year old a big shiny metal object and he's going to play with it, but to play with it so well?!

The point of the report is that guns are seductive, even to good teens, and part of the problem is that kids are introduced to gun violence and use at a very early age. Next time you see some asshole father taking his four year old to "The Mummy Returns" think of this story.

Okay, I don't share that much about my personal likfe, but here goes...

My wife and I support gun rights. We believe there's plenty of legislation on the books already (though more is needed for assualt weapons). I don't want to see gun owner's rights abused.

But....

We ask every parent that might be hosting a party or playdate that our kid will be attending if there is a gun in the house. We don't feel at ALL guilty in asking this, and in a few cases we have discovered situations that are not all that "safe".

"Guns don't kill people, people kill people." the saying goes, but I'd add "But guns make it damned easy for people to kill people."

As for the "point" made in the article above...In a large percentage of cases where a man is trying to protect his home with a gun the gun is turned on him by the attacker. Having a gun is NOT a better solution than 911. Having a gun and being highly trained in how to use it AND calling a 911 system which is vigourously supported by the community and adequately funded by the city counicl is a better solution.
 
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