Do you own your body?

[LukSkyFokker]

Pew poll finds 81% oppose Democrats extreme position to allow abortion with no restrictions. Credit goes to Adrina for sharing the link.

https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2022/05/06/americas-abortion-quandary/

Which Democrat took that position?

 

[butters]

Utah, Republican Representative John Curtis and his Democratic challenger Glenn Wright met Thursday evening for a debate

Speaking about the Supreme Court’s decision to overturn Roe v. Wade and leave the legality of abortion up to states and their overwhelmingly male legislatures, Curtis took an excessively patronizing stance.

“Now look, I get it, if you’re a woman, it stinks that most of these legislatures are men, most of these decisions are made by men,” Curtis said with a smarmy, paternalistic smile. “I wish it were other than that. I wish, as a man, I didn’t have to make this decision. I wish women could make this decision.”

The look on Wright’s face as Curtis says these is pure incredulity. He, like everyone watching at home, does not seem to believe he’s actually hearing these words come out of Curtis’ mouth. It’s also possible that part of his reaction is also not believing his luck.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...pc=U531&cvid=b5fe2718c5534dd49962676d2609543f

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Which Democrat took that position?

Your governor and your state Democratic Party for starters. They support CA Prop 1. What restrictions does it include?


Per CA State Legislative Office:

PROPOSAL​

Proposition 1 changes the California Constitution to say that the state cannot deny or interfere with a person’s reproductive freedom and that people have the fundamental right to choose:

• Whether or not to have an abortion.
• Whether or not to use contraceptives.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Most Utah voters support reasonable restrictions on abortion. Debates like this are healthy for helping voters flesh out where to draw the line.

Utah, Republican Representative John Curtis and his Democratic challenger Glenn Wright met Thursday evening for a debate




https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...pc=U531&cvid=b5fe2718c5534dd49962676d2609543f

 

[LukSkyFokker]

Your governor and your state Democratic Party for starters. They support CA Prop 1. What restrictions does it include?


Per CA State Legislative Office:

PROPOSAL​

Proposition 1 changes the California Constitution to say that the state cannot deny or interfere with a person’s reproductive freedom and that people have the fundamental right to choose:

• Whether or not to have an abortion.
• Whether or not to use contraceptives.

Thank you for reiterating my point that no Dem took an extreme position, boomerror.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Thank you for reiterating my point that no Dem took an extreme position, boomerror.

Is your point that legal abortion with no restrictions is not extreme?

 

[Dribble]

Is your point that legal abortion with no restrictions is not extreme?

I will call it....it isn't your business what another person decides to medically do. But...if you wish to walk that route...next time Covid raises its ugly head...and it will...anyone not wearing a mask should be sent to jail

 

[adrina]

This is when they invent extreme scenarios that never really happen in order to create drama. It's their thing. Like the hysteria of at will abortions at time of birth. They are lying hysterics who depend on hyperbole, propaganda and dishonesty in order to make any semblance of a point.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

My question wasn’t directed at you. I was asking Luk if he thinks legal abortion with no restrictions is not extreme. Thanks for sharing your answer though.

I will call it....it isn't your business what another person decides to medically do. But...if you wish to walk that route...next time Covid raises its ugly head...and it will...anyone not wearing a mask should be sent to jail

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

This is when they invent extreme scenarios that never really happen in order to create drama. It's their thing. Like the hysteria of at will abortions at time of birth. They are lying hysterics who depend on hyperbole, propaganda and dishonesty in order to make any semblance of a point.

Sounds like you and Dribble are among the 19%

 

[LukSkyFokker]

Is your point that legal abortion with no restrictions is not extreme?

It's not a Mountain Dew flavor.

 

[iso36]

When you two give birth to your thread love spawn, who will own it’s body?

 

[adrina]

It is totally weird how I support and trust the women involved and their doctors. As opposed to a bunch of bureaucrats. Crazy that.

 

[butters]

courts in ohio and arizona blocking abortion bans -- for now

An Ohio judge blocked the state’s six-week abortion ban indefinitely on Friday, and the state is expected to appeal the ruling.

“Does a law that prevents a cancer patient from getting lifesaving treatment infringe on those rights (in the Ohio Constitution)? The answer is obviously it does,” said Jenkins, adding that the state constitution goes beyond the U.S. Constitution in protecting liberty, safety and health care decisions. "Abortion is health care to which Ohioans have a right."

Meanwhile in Arizona, an appeals court on Friday temporarily put on hold the state's territorial-era abortion law, which banned nearly all abortions in the state, until a full appeal of an earlier ruling on it is heard. The procedure will presumably still be subject to a newer law that bans abortions after 15 weeks of pregnancy.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/r...pc=U531&cvid=dfd34f7a38614c2b9a87ad5d4f698f72

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

It is totally weird how I support and trust the women involved and their doctors. As opposed to a bunch of bureaucrats. Crazy that.

Not weird. Just different from most Americans.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

It's not a Mountain Dew flavor.

Nice dodge.

 

[adrina]

Someone is working overtime to try to convince us that morbid obsessions are good medical practice.

 

[butters]

and the TN gopers, labeling gender-affirmation surgery as 'disfigurations', clearly don't believe someone 16-17+364 days is entitled to make decisions about their own bodies.

vanderbilt to pause gender transitioning surgery for the under 18's after TN fuckheads aim to stamp out any gender aid to those under 18, period.

around 5 gender-affirming surgeries are performed yearly (as from 2018), no genital surgeries, with no minor being under 16, all with parental agreement and all paid for privately and not out of public funds.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1578474545131888640

 

[LukSkyFokker]

Nice dodge.

You went histrionic with "extreme" babyboomerror, this is your burden. If you haven't figured out that women's rights are in no way "extreme", you're a bigger misogynistic idiot than we all thought.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

You went histrionic with "extreme" babyboomerror, this is your burden. If you haven't figured out that women's rights are in no way "extreme", you're a bigger misogynistic idiot than we all thought.

Since “extreme” is a subjective term, I’ll give you my metrics. I view an extreme position on an issue as one that not shared by >80% of the American public. If it makes you feel better, we can call unrestricted abortion an “outlier” position.

 

[LukSkyFokker]

Since “extreme” is a subjective term, I’ll give you my metrics. I view an extreme position on an issue as one that not shared by >80% of the American public. If it makes you feel better, we can call unrestricted abortion an “outlier” position.

It's women's health. Say it with me.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

It's women's health. Say it with me.

You, Dribble, Adrina, and Democratic politicians are entitled to your opinions. I’m simply pointing out that polls by reputable polling organizations, including one that a staunch abortion advocate has shared in this thread, indicate that you are out of synch with most Americans. You seem troubled by the term “extreme.” I’ll work with you. Let’s go with “solid minority.”

 

[AlexBailey]

An extreme position is having government and law enforcement overseeing womens’ medical care.

It’s very fascist. Is there a politically approved list of reasons someone cannot get an abortion? Are a woman’s rights up to the whims of state politicians?

How fascist will the GOP go?

 

[LukSkyFokker]

You, Dribble, Adrina, and Democratic politicians are entitled to your opinions. I’m simply pointing out that polls by reputable polling organizations, including one that a staunch abortion advocate has shared in this thread, indicate that you are out of synch with most Americans. You seem troubled by the term “extreme.” I’ll work with you. Let’s go with “solid minority.”

You can keep misidentifying it all you want, I'll continue to call it by its proper name - women's health.

 

[butters]

An extreme position is having government and law enforcement overseeing womens’ medical care.

It’s very fascist. Is there a politically approved list of reasons someone cannot get an abortion? Are a woman’s rights up to the whims of state politicians?

How fascist will the GOP go?

as far as they're permitted to