Do Communists even talk to each other any more?

[pecksniff]

Putin has been asking the PRC for military aid, and at any rate they're not saying no right away. The clearly want to remain friendly.

But, there is a still a Communist Party of the Russian Federation -- and it is Putin's main opposition. And his regime is at this moment more fragile and vulnerable than it ever has been before.

If they were good international Communists, the CCP's policy would be to help the Russian Communists oust Putin in a coup.

 

[Rightguide]

Putin has been asking the PRC for military aid, and at any rate they're not saying no right away. The clearly want to remain friendly.

But, there is a still a Communist Party of the Russian Federation -- and it is Putin's main opposition. And his regime is at this moment more fragile and vulnerable than it ever has been before.

If they were good international Communists, the CCP's policy would be to help the Russian Communists oust Putin in a coup.

It is a minority party that does not speak for Russia.

 

[pecksniff]

It is a minority party that does not speak for Russia.

Was it a majority party in 1917? Nevertheless . . .

 

[Rightguide]

Was it a majority party in 1917? Nevertheless . . .

What difference would it make in 2022?

 

[pecksniff]

What difference would it make in 2022?

It's now what it wasn't in 1917, an established political party that has such respectability as longevity can confer, and a lot of Russians are nostalgic for the old days -- capitalism has not been good to them. With the right support, the Communists could mount a coup and win.

 

[pecksniff]

But it appears that Communism is no longer an international force. The PRC/CCP never did anything I heard of to support the "Maoist" rebels in Nepal, nor Communist revolutionaries anywhere else since the Vietnam War ended. Make that the Korean War -- I'm not even sure what side the PRC was on in Vietnam.

 

[KeithD]

The PRC/CCP never did anything I heard of to support the "Maoist" rebels in Nepal, nor Communist revolutionaries anywhere else since the Vietnam War ended.

Burma, Thailand, Malaysia, the Philippines, Indonesia, nope. And not that much even during the Vietnam war.

 

[pecksniff]

Remember when the Cubans sent troops to Angola?

Just doesn't seem to happen any more. Every country's Commies are on their own.

 

[KeithD]

I'll be just as happy if the Chinese don't send any help to that KGB murderous veteran, Vladimir Putin (You know, the guy who owns Donald Trump?).

 

[pecksniff]

I'll be just as happy if the Chinese don't send any help to that KGB murderous veteran, Vladimir Putin (You know, the guy who owns Donald Trump?).

Who seems to have forgotten he was ever a Communist.

 

[KeithD]

Who seems to have forgotten he was ever a Communist.

Apparently all of the board Trumpettes. They like to call everyone a communist except for those who actually were communists.

 

[pecksniff]

Apparently all of the board Trumpettes. They like to call everyone a communist except for those who actually were communists.

They seem to think Sanders is a Communist.

He's not really even a socialist, though he claims the name.

 

[ishtat]

China since 1949 has been fairly consistent in not getting involved in the disputes of other countries. Korea was an exception but it was in a border nation which had been a vassal state of Imperial China for hundreds of years. In contrast, they go completely ballistic if anyone even comments on their National Sovereignty (Tibet, Hong Kong, Taiwan etc.) China ceded many ports and land to Western powers in the 19th century; Russia is the only state which has not returned that landgrab. Russia took 1 million square Kilometres of NE Manchuria in 1900. Xi and his successors will take that back someday - not for many years perhaps, but in Chinese history 30-50 years is the blink of an eye.

And the Chinese know an awful lot more about Russian military capacity and logistical incompetence than they did just 4 weeks ago. I think they will let Putin stew in his own juice for a while because the Chinese still need the Western, especially US markets. US financial (Banking) power is a vast contrast to Russian military weakness; Xi and the CCP will have taken note.

 

[pecksniff]

China since 1949 has been fairly consistent in not getting involved in the disputes of other countries. Korea was an exception but it was in a border nation which had been a vassal state of Imperial China for hundreds of years. In contrast, they go completely ballistic if anyone even comments on their National Sovereignty (Tibet, Hong Kong, Taiwan etc.) China ceded many ports and land to Western powers in the 19th century; Russia is the only state which has not returned that landgrab. Russia took 1 million square Kilometres of NE Manchuria in 1900. Xi and his successors will take that back someday - not for many years perhaps, but in Chinese history 30-50 years is the blink of an eye.

And the Chinese know an awful lot more about Russian military capacity and logistical incompetence than they did just 4 weeks ago. I think they will let Putin stew in his own juice for a while because the Chinese still need the Western, especially US markets. US financial (Banking) power is a vast contrast to Russian military weakness; Xi and the CCP will have taken note.

In other words, they are not focusing on doing what might weaken the capitalist powers -- which is what they would do, if they cared any more about the international Communist cause.

 

[ishtat]

In other words, they are not focusing on doing what might weaken the capitalist powers -- which is what they would do, if they cared any more about the international Communist cause.

I am not sure that your comment is all that relevant. China will do what suits China's national interests. Her fundamental interest is China's sovereignty, her National interest. At the moment it is in China's interest to maintain relationships with the West, because their markets are so important. Russia is economically un-important so China can let them 'wither on the vine.' "The International Communist Cause" is the kind of bullshit that used to be the mainstay of the Readers Digest 70 years ago. It is always, without exception trumped by National interests.

Xi has been strengthened by the Ukraine crisis because he now knows that Russia has an ineffective army that cannot handle the stroll in the park in Ukraine, let alone any disagreements which might occur in the far east. He will make sympathetic noises for Russia but make certain China does not incur any Financial, Banking, or Trade sanctions. Biden has given him and Putin a lesson on Financial power in a globalized economy.

 

[pecksniff]

I am not sure that your comment is all that relevant. China will do what suits China's national interests.

Exactly. China's national interests, not those of the international working class.