Did I just hear this right?

[Tungwagger]

And that has any reference to what exactly??

Those numbers are for states not cities and Michigan is a pretty big state with large cities.

You can try to argue with the numbers all you want but there are too many studies that prove you are wrong.

Just an observation....that's all....

How can I be proven wrong if even you are questioning what I am stating?

Seems to me you are grasping at whatever "facts" you can to prove your point, and your frustration is showing based on the fact that people will still disagree with you..

 

[Azwed]

Just an observation....that's all....

How can I be proven wrong if even you are questioning what I am stating?

Seems to me you are grasping at whatever "facts" you can to prove your point, and your frustration is showing based on the fact that people will still disagree with you..

I always go for statistics/research studies/articles when possible when I am arguing. They carry a lot more weight then just saying i feel this or i think that.

You just don't make any sense with the above post.

 

[Tungwagger]

I always go for statistics/research studies/articles when possible when I am arguing. They carry a lot more weight then just saying i feel this or i think that.

You just don't make any sense with the above post.

Well okay then...

 

[Tungwagger]

Ok Azwed....

Try this search....I couldn't figure out the data base on the link you provided.

On your original search of states, I would be interested in seeing the population of the large cities and the murder rates versus the urban areas, and the murder rates. I consider large cities as over 500,000.

I didn't really want to bring politics into this thread, but my point is that most large cities in this country usually lean towards the left. My correlation is that if they elect Democrats, then why is poverty still so prevalent in the larger cities?

Assuming that those who praise the left are correct in that Democrats care more about the poor, then why do the poor still exist in such large numbers? And as such, why are the poor less educated, and as a result disproportionately sentenced to death?This is a nagging question for a lot of people, not just myself.

I still believe that statistics provide a baseline for measuring. While I'm sure the numbers don't lie, they still leave alot of questions because of the innumerable variables that exist.

You have given me food for thought, but I am not convinced that the most extreme cases of murder don't even qualify for consideration of the death penalty. I also believe the three men who dragged James Byrd to death behind a pickup truck with a chain in Texas are deserving.

 

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Race______%DR____%Pop___LDR___%V_____LV
White_____32.1%__52.4%__0.59__71.3%__1.36
Black_____41.3%__11.5%__3.59__27.1%__2.36
Hispanic__25.6%__32.0%__0.80
Other______1.1%___4.9%__0.22___1.5%__0.73


%DR: Texas death row inmates by race (Jan 31 2003)
http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/stat/racial.htm

%Pop: Texas population by race (2000)
http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/48000.html

LDR: Relative likelihood of being a death row inmate in Texas
L = %DR / %Pop


V: Percentages of Texas homicide victims by race (2000) - note that Hispanics are spread between White and Black and Other, as it is classed as an ethnicity by the BJS and not shown in these tables.
http://149.101.22.40/dataonline/Search/Homicide/State/StatebyState.cfm
http://149.101.22.40/dataonline/

LV: Relative likelihood of being a homicide victim by race in Texas
LV = %V / %Pop


LDR shows how any randomly chosen black person in Texas is 6 times more likely to be on death row than any randomly chosen white person in Texas.


USA Murder by Race on Race and Stranger/Acquaintance between murderer and victim.


Stranger
W on W 45%
B on B 32%
B on W 18%
W on B 5%

Acquaintance
W on W 45%
B on B 45%
B on W 6%
W on B 4%



Edited because it ate my spaces, they are now _

Excellent post.


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FYI to Aquila: My skin happens to be white. I just happen to know how one particular inner city high school with a 97% minority population functions. I also know how one high school in an extremely affluent suburb (90+% white) functions. I am a relatively gifted athlete, by rule, that pretty much means I'm not a communist/collectivist in the way you speak of it. However, I do greatly appreciate the elite coaches, family sacrifice, and team support that assisted me throughout my younger years. With one of those missing, I would not have been a very successful athlete.

 

[Azwed]

Ok Azwed....

Try this search....I couldn't figure out the data base on the link you provided.

On your original search of states, I would be interested in seeing the population of the large cities and the murder rates versus the urban areas, and the murder rates. I consider large cities as over 500,000.

I didn't really want to bring politics into this thread, but my point is that most large cities in this country usually lean towards the left. My correlation is that if they elect Democrats, then why is poverty still so prevalent in the larger cities?

Assuming that those who praise the left are correct in that Democrats care more about the poor, then why do the poor still exist in such large numbers? And as such, why are the poor less educated, and as a result disproportionately sentenced to death?This is a nagging question for a lot of people, not just myself.

I still believe that statistics provide a baseline for measuring. While I'm sure the numbers don't lie, they still leave alot of questions because of the innumerable variables that exist.

You have given me food for thought, but I am not convinced that the most extreme cases of murder don't even qualify for consideration of the death penalty. I also believe the three men who dragged James Byrd to death behind a pickup truck with a chain in Texas are deserving.

I will explain the database more clearly.

Starting at this page here look to the left and click on the submit button that selects a state.

After clicking that button you will have a list of statistics. At the top left of this list will be a link that says "Browse more data sets for state" click on this link. After clicking on this link you will have several additonal data sets to look through.

The one you want is the crime link and it should be the sixth one down.

Here is an example for alabama. http://www.fedstats.gov/mapstats/crime.html/crime_01000.html

The data reported is probably an underestimation since it only includes crimes that were reported to the FBI.


The states can be searched by counties but depending on how individual states catogrize cities. VA catogrizes cities as seperate from counties. VA cities are not part of a county but a sperate entity.


I am not making a philosophical argument because that is pointless. I agree that some crimes are so horrible that killing the convicted person is perfectly reasonable. I just think that the since the criminal justice system is not perfect that it should not be assigning the death penalty to someone.

Making a philosphical argument is stupid since it is impossible to prove. Making an argument based of statstics and facts is total different.