Dianne Feinstein's Lie

Todd

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The gun rights Web site KeepAndBearArms.com has caught California Senator Dianne "I Want Your Guns" Feinstein in a lie!

Earlier this month, Feinstein wrote a letter to Secretary of State Colin Powell. In her letter, Feinstein complained about Attorney General John Ashcroft's position on the Second Amendment. (Ashcroft, as you probably already know, has affirmed the rights of individual, law-abiding Americans to keep and bear arms.) Feinstein whined that the State Department had used Ashcroft's views to formulate the U.S. position at the U.N. conference on small arms. Feinstein's point was that John Ashcroft is nothing but a puppet of the National Rifle Association.

In her letter, Feinstein quoted from the Supreme Court decision in the 1939 case of United States v. Miller. This case is viewed by many as the Supreme Court's leading Second Amendment case. Two bootleggers had been prosecuted in a lower court for violating the National Firearms Act. They had a sawed-off shotgun but had not paid the required federal tax. A federal district court dismissed the case on the grounds that the National Firearms Act, but the Supreme Court ruled in its majority opinion that the Second Amendment did not guarantee the right to keep and bear such a gun. Anti-gunners like to point to this case because it supports their view that gun ownership is not an individual right.

Feinstein misquotes the Miller decision in her letter. It wasn't just a mistake. She changed the wording of the Miller decision and put quotation marks around it to make it look like she was quoting the decision directly. She said the Supreme Court held that the Second Amendment's purpose was "'to assure the continuation and render possible the effectiveness' of the 'state Militia.'"

The problem is, there's no mention of a "state militia" anywhere in the Miller decision.

Dianne Feinstein is lying. She wants Americans to believe that the Second Amendment does not protect the right of the individual to keep and bear arms. She wants you to think that only the state has that right. And she'll twist a decades-old Supreme Court decision to her liking if it strengthens her cause.

How the hell does this woman keep getting elected to the Senate?
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Originally posted by Todd
How the hell does this woman keep getting elected to the Senate?
She's from CA. These morons elected Jerry Brown TWICE and elected Gray Davis. The state also went for Clinton and Gore. With that grade of stupidity, what more could you expect?
 
Re: Re: Dianne Feinstein's Lie

Unclebill said:

She's from CA. These morons elected Jerry Brown TWICE and elected Gray Davis. The state also went for Clinton and Gore. With that grade of stupidity, what more could you expect?

Barbara Boxer?
 
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed"


ive never understood how people choose to believe that sentence means that every household can carry a gun and has that right because of that sentence


if americans choose to have gun laws giving them the right to own guns then fair enough ... but i never understand why they believe they have a right too because of the second amendment ... if one day america decided to outlaw guns for the individual do you believe that is breaking the amendment ?
 
Where I live 911 response time can be measured in hours, but is best measured in days. I keep loaded weapons within reach at all times. We have some nastry critters out here, both two and four-legged.

But really. The English are the ones that we put that amendment in for specifically!
 
you didnt answer my question though :) i wasnt saying weather you should or shouldnt have guns


i was just saying why do people think the second amendment gives the right for every individual the right to own a gun/bear arms


your gun laws are what gives you the right to own a gun ... not the second amendment ?
 
Originally posted by sexy-girl
ive never understood how people choose to believe that sentence means that every household can carry a gun and has that right because of that sentence
It's actually very simple because that was the specific intent of the framers. Perhaps you should pay some heed to the men who wrote the Constitution.

No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.
-- Thomas Jefferson

Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the peoples' liberty's teeth.
-- George Washington

Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom? Congress shall have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birth-right of an American ....The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or the state governments, but where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the People.
-- Tench Coxe, Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788.
 
sexy-girl said:
you didnt answer my question though :) i wasnt saying weather you should or shouldnt have guns


i was just saying why do people think the second amendment gives the right for every individual the right to own a gun/bear arms


your gun laws are what gives you the right to own a gun ... not the second amendment ?

I think I asked Siren or Lavender about that before and they said the right to own guns couldn't be taken away.

but then again, Hillary said she wouldn't run in 2004 and would never run. never ever.
 
well the "intent" of the people who wrote it cant be guessed from the quotes you've said from what i understand its the right for "people" to form a "regulated Militia" to protect themselves ... i dont understand how an individual can be classed as "regulated" or as a "militia"
 
Every American citizen is a militia member.

The legend of the minute men.

Of course in the UK you do not get the indroctination from our point of view.
 
sexy-girl said:
well the "intent" of the people who wrote it cant be guessed from the quotes you've said from what i understand its the right for "people" to form a "regulated Militia" to protect themselves ... i dont understand how an individual can be classed as "regulated" or as a "militia"

I'm very regular. About 15 minutes into my first cup of coffee.
 
ME TOO!
And the first doobie of the morning!
For medicinal purposes only - to kill the hangover :)
 
im regular too when i drink coffee WD :)


but a militia is an army that is controlled by citizens rather then goverment ... you have to have uniforms and everything :) ... surely the amendament was purely designed so that towns and citys could have these militia's without being told it was against the law ? ... hense the word "regulated" why use that word if they didnt mean it
 
No you don't!
UNIFORMS?
Our militia meets every Wednesday at the firehouse.
The closest thing we have to uniforms may be bib overalls.
With tobacco spit running down the front.
 
Originally posted by sexy-girl
well the "intent" of the people who wrote it cant be guessed from the quotes you've said from what i understand its the right for "people" to form a "regulated Militia" to protect themselves ... i dont understand how an individual can be classed as "regulated" or as a "militia"
The militia is comprised of a number of individual citizens not under control of the government. Try "well regulated" in the sense of self-governing.

If the words of the founders so explicitly stated leave you guessing, I'm afraid I won't be much help.
 
We are well-regulated however.

That tends to happen when everyone is armed to the teeth.
 
From the Objectivist perspective:

The right to keep and bear arms is one of the myriad of derivatives of one's fundamental right to their own life. Any and all independent actions of the individual are permissible as a function of his freedom. It is the same as the right to own property of any other variety if one can earn it.

In the quotes I offered above, the founders were very explicit in their position that no free man be deprived of the right to keep and bear arms. As Jefferson said so well, as a last resort, it is the citizens' protection against tyranny in government.

How much clearer can one make it? Look at the slaughter of innocent citizens that has taken place in countries where the citizens were disarmed.

Look at the crime rates in countries where private firearms ownership is banned. http://www.geocities.com/john_galt76/AussieGunCon.html
 
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