Deport (from US) all Arab non-Citizens?

Don't Profile, Deport Arab non Citizens: What do you think??

  • Far too lax, ALL Muslim non citizens, from anywhere, should be deported

    Votes: 8 38.1%
  • A little lax; no point in exempting nonMuslim Arabs (who knows loyalties for sure)

    Votes: 1 4.8%
  • A good idea, but needs a bit of fine tuning

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Goes a little too far; there should be 'probable cause' and ONE hearing.

    Votes: 1 4.8%
  • Present deportation rules should be tightened significantly.

    Votes: 1 4.8%
  • Present rules are fine, and deportation, without proof, is a bad idea

    Votes: 10 47.6%

  • Total voters
    21
  • Poll closed .

Pure

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"Don’t Just Profile. Deport."--Ann Coulter 10-04-01

After 9/11 Ann Coulter pointed out security procedures at airports were laughable ("did you pack your own bag?") and stupidly applied to high school girls the same way as Middle Eastern looking males. And Congress seemed unwilling to do what's necessary. For national security she called for the immediate deportation of all 'guests' from Arab countries (or perhaps, certain designated ones): i.e, immigrants, visitors, etc. who are not American citizens. (9/20; 9/27; 10/04/01). She perhaps narrowed the scope--it's a little unclear, to _Muslim_ Arabs from those countries.

What do you think?

http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2001/091301.htm

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The nation has been invaded by a fanatical, murderous cult. And we welcome them. We are so good and so pure we would never engage in discriminatory racial or "religious" profiling.[...]

"All of our lives" don't need to change, as they keep prattling on TV. Every single time there is a terrorist attack — or a plane crashes because of pilot error — Americans allow their rights to be contracted for no purpose whatsoever.

The airport kabuki theater of magnetometers, asinine questions about whether passengers "packed their own bags," and the hostile, lumpen mesomorphs ripping open our luggage somehow allowed over a dozen armed hijackers to board four American planes almost simultaneously on Bloody Tuesday. (Did those fabulous security procedures stop a single hijacker anyplace in America that day?) Airports scrupulously apply the same laughably ineffective airport harassment to Suzy Chapstick as to Muslim hijackers.

It is preposterous to assume every passenger is a potential crazed homicidal maniac. We know who the homicidal maniacs are. They are the ones cheering and dancing right now. We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war. .

http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2001/092001.htm
(4) All 19 hijackers in last week's attack appear to have been aliens. As far as the Constitution is concerned, visitors to this country are here at the nation's pleasure. Congress could pass a law tomorrow requiring that all aliens from Arabic countries leave. (More on that next week.) Congress could certainly pass a law requiring all aliens to get approval from the INS before boarding an airplane in the United States.

Congress has authority to pass a law tomorrow requiring aliens from suspect countries to leave. As far as the Constitution is concerned, aliens, which is to say non-citizens, are here at this country's pleasure. They have no constitutional right to be here.

http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2001/092701.htm

Congress has it within its power to prevent the next attack, but it won't. When the Sears Tower is attacked, the president is assassinated, St. Patrick's Cathedral is vaporized, anthrax is released in the subway systems or Disneyland is nuked, remember: Congress could have stopped it, but didn't.

This is a preposterous irrelevancy. Fine, we get it. The New York Times can rest assured that every last American has now heard the news that not all Muslims are terrorists. That's not the point. Not all Muslims may be terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims -- at least all terrorists capable of assembling a murderous plot against America that leaves 7,000 people dead in under two hours.

How are we to distinguish the peaceful Muslims from the fanatical, homicidal Muslims about to murder thousands of our fellow citizens? Are the good Muslims the ones who live quiet lives, pray a lot and obey the law? So did the architects of Bloody Tuesday's mass murder. Are the peaceful Muslims the ones who loudly proclaim their hatred of Osama Bin Laden? Mohammed Atta did that, too.

The only thing we know about them -- other than that they live among us -- is that they are foreign-born and they are Muslims.

[...]All we can do is politely ask aliens from suspect nations to leave -- with the full expectation of readmittance -- while we sort the peace-loving immigrants from the murderous fanatics. More benefits of the plan next week, but the beauty part of the Terrorist Deportation Plan can't wait. There will be two fail-safes:

(1) Muslim immigrants who agree to spy on the millions of Muslim citizens unaffected by the deportation order can stay; and (2) any Muslim immigrant who gets a U.S. senator to waive his deportation -- by name -- gets to stay.

This is brutally unfair to the Muslim immigrants who do not want to kill us. But it's not our fault. It is the fault of the terrorists who are using their fellow Muslims as human shields. So far, America's response to a calculating cold-blooded enemy has been to say, "Excuse me, you seem to have dropped your box-cutter."

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http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2001/100401.htm

Don’t Just Profile. Deport.

October 4, 2001


[...]

War is being waged on our soil by noncitizen infiltrators, legally admitted by the INS. If Congress says the attorney general can't detain them, we ought to deport them. (From the "not ready to move on" file: Isn't it curious that we have room for 19 Muslim mass murderers, but no room for an innocent little Cuban boy? In addition to deporting immigrants from terrorist-producing countries, someone should look into deporting every person who ever worked for the INS.) [...]

Any senator (Teddy Kennedy) who is opposed to the mass deportation of immigrants from suspect countries would be free to waive in as many potential terrorists as he could sign his name to. At least then we'd have true government accountability, rather than collective foot-dragging based on pristine tributes to civil rights. We won't even necessarily need to call on the fine-tuned screening procedures of the INS. The law could simply state that immigrants from certain countries aren't allowed to be here after a certain date, unless they receive a waiver. [...]

As unfair as it sounds, deporting immigrants from suspect countries will actually minimize cruelties toward vast numbers of vaguely Arabic-looking people. Although many immigrants will be swept up unfairly, all the Sikhs, Hindus and Arab Christians will be relieved to discover they don't scare people anymore.

To be sure, there is a risk that mass deportations might upset the delicate diplomatic maneuvering designed to bring the largest possible number of unsavory regimes into our "international coalition." On the other hand, some countries in the "international coalition" might be forced to conclude that the Great Satan is smarter than they thought. This part of the plan ought to appeal to their primitive sense of honor and boundaries.

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Where's Colly?

I thought she'd surely be here, having said she admires Ann and reads a lot of her columns. I felt sure she'd take choice #3 ('moderate' in a sense).

:)
 
You didn't post a choice for me. I want Ann Coulter deported for what she said about Max Cleland.
 
Pure said:
...We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity...

To be sure, there is a risk that mass deportations might upset the delicate diplomatic maneuvering designed to bring the largest possible number of unsavory regimes into our "international coalition." On the other hand, some countries in the "international coalition" might be forced to conclude that the Great Satan is smarter than they thought. This part of the plan ought to appeal to their primitive sense of honor and boundaries.

This is why America is despised in most of the world. This may not be the view of 90% of Americans, but it's ridiculously high-handed. 'Primitive sense of honor' indeed. She sounds as though she believes America to be the sole candlelight in a darkness of barbarism.

The 'convert them to Christianity' comment actually took my breath away. I am a latitudinarian, but I consider my spiritual position to be that of a Deist, because a lot of religions consider themselves to be right and everyone else to be wrong and this woman seems to be the epitome of everything I hate in religion. Let's convert them all to Christianity, because our way is the best. God told us so. If the position was reversed, would she appreciate being told she should be converted to Islam because God told them their way was the best?

The ineptitude of the British government to deport threats (including Abu Hamza, who is openly a member of Al Quaeda and openly recruits suicide bombers) astonishes me, but I would never stand behind anybody who suggested evicting an entire group of people because of their religion.

Shall we place all Islamic people into concentration camps. Or set up Muslim/Non-Muslim apartheid. Wasn't that the precursor to the Holocaust?

The disgusted Earl
 
LOL,

I love Ann's column and I think she is kinda cute, in a straight-laced sorta way. Just because I enjoy her columns does not mean I buy into everything she says, like Fiore I just enjoy her work. Where he often hits close to home with humor, she does so with invective.

I am not going to vote in this pole and I would like to point out the date on the article. It was a knee-jerk reaction to a date that has horific meaning to most americans and I don't doubt that many people if forced to remember the events of 9/11 and the shock, pain and anger, wouldn't agree with her.

-Colly
 
Knee jerk reaction is no excuse for promoting racism and claiming racial superiority.

The Earl
 
TheEarl said:
Knee jerk reaction is no excuse for promoting racism and claiming racial superiority.

The Earl

Thats your view, and you are welcome to it. I live in NY, I had freinds in the towers and had someone presented me with a petition to kick every arab and muslim out of this country on Sept. 12, I would have signed it without thought.

Racisim is ugly, it's hateful, but in the wake of what I went through that day and saw the people around me going through in the days that followed, I was hateful. To a large extent I still am. I make no apologies for it either.

-Colly
 
Hi Colly,

I am not going to vote in this pole and I would like to point out the date on the article. It was a knee-jerk reaction to a date that has horific meaning to most americans and I don't doubt that many people if forced to remember the events of 9/11 and the shock, pain and anger, wouldn't agree with her.

Simple question, Collie, since every weekly column of Ann is at her site: Did she ever, in the later months say something like "Well my proposal to deport all, was a bit extreme, and I was outraged. Here is a bettter proposal, now that I've had time to think it over."?

(I could look the archives over, but since you're impressed with her, maybe I'll toss the ball to you :) )

:rose:
 
You sow, you reap.

If Americans would behave well towards other countries, they wouldn't be hated so much.
 
Pure said:
Hi Colly,

I am not going to vote in this pole and I would like to point out the date on the article. It was a knee-jerk reaction to a date that has horific meaning to most americans and I don't doubt that many people if forced to remember the events of 9/11 and the shock, pain and anger, wouldn't agree with her.

Simple question, Collie, since every weekly column of Ann is at her site: Did she ever, in the later months say something like "Well my proposal to deport all, was a bit extreme, and I was outraged. Here is a bettter proposal, now that I've had time to think it over."?

(I could look the archives over, but since you're impressed with her, maybe I'll toss the ball to you :) )

:rose:

I somehow doubt she backed off. If anything I would guess her position has hardened. I don't read her column regularly, just occasionally.

-Colly
 
Svenskaflicka said:
You sow, you reap.

If Americans would behave well towards other countries, they wouldn't be hated so much.

I would be interested to know exactly what we sewed that lead to us reaping 2 hijacked planes filled with passengers and aviation gasoline being crashed into buildings where hundreds of people were.

-Colly
 
Colleen Thomas said:
I don't doubt that many people if forced to remember the events of 9/11 and the shock, pain and anger, wouldn't agree with her.

-Colly

Doubt it. There's a middle eastern restaurant near here that's usually half-empty and was packed with people the night after 9/ll. Some Americans, maybe remembering that our own ancesters came here as rejects and outcasts, have a knee-jerk reaction the other way: in support of the underdog.

I was there that night despite the fact that middle eastern food usually gives me heartburn, for the same reason I immediately joined the ACLU: I feared repercussions to who we are as a nation, even more than I feared where the next plane might come down.

Kadayif, anyone?

BTW, I wonder what Ann Coulter has to say about the Bin Laden family members that Bush/Cheney Assoc. quietly escorted out of the U.S. during the post-9/11 no-fly order?

Was that a "courtesy" deportation?
 
Svenskaflicka said:
All the times you bombed other countries..?

Thats odd, I don't remember us bombing Saudia Arabia. Or syria, or Jordan, or Egypt or Palestine. In an earlier thread Og noted that we, the US kept France and Britan from re taking the Suez Canal after Nassar annexed it. We lead the coalition that freed Kuwait. We didn't even bomb Iran in the wake of the hostage crisis. Exactly which bombings are you talking about?

-Colly
 
shereads said:
Doubt it. There's a middle eastern restaurant near here that's usually half-empty and was packed with people the night after 9/ll. Some Americans, maybe remembering that our own ancesters came here as rejects and outcasts, have a knee-jerk reaction the other way: in support of the underdog.

I was there that night despite the fact that middle eastern food usually gives me heartburn, for the same reason I immediately joined the ACLU: I feared repercussions to who we are as a nation, even more than I feared where the next plane might come down.

Kadayif, anyone?

BTW, I wonder what Ann Coulter has to say about the Bin Laden family members that Bush/Cheney Assoc. quietly escorted out of the U.S. during the post-9/11 no-fly order?

Was that a "courtesy" deportation?

Anyone who supports what happened on 9/11 you are half right on, the jerk part.

-Colly
 
Yes, we certainly did lead the coalition that freed Kuwait. We also turned a blind eye while Saddam made plans for the invasion. The State Department under Bush The Prequel didn't like the fact that Kuwait was undercutting OPEC any more than Saddam did. Allowing an invasion and then running to the rescue accomplished the same goals for private industry that the current war is doing.

It's all about the Benjamins.

Which brings us to Ann Coulter. For what it's worth, I don't think she means half of what she says. She's learned from Rush Limbaugh that the crazier the right-wing rant, the bigger the audience - and the richer the reward. It's hate speech, but unfortunately I'm not one who believes in laws against hate speech. She's entitled, even to belittle a legless veteran like like Max Cleland for failing to be a man of true worth, like our president.
 
shereads said:
Yes, we certainly did lead the coalition that freed Kuwait. We also turned a blind eye while Saddam made plans for the invasion. The State Department under Bush The Prequel didn't like the fact that Kuwait was undercutting OPEC any more than Saddam did. Allowing an invasion and then running to the rescue accomplished the same goals for private industry that the current war is doing.

It's all about the Benjamins.

Which brings us to Ann Coulter. For what it's worth, I don't think she means half of what she says. She's learned from Rush Limbaugh that the crazier the right-wing rant, the bigger the audience - and the richer the reward. It's hate speech, but unfortunately I'm not one who believes in laws against hate speech. She's entitled, even to belittle a legless veteran like like Max Cleland for failing to be a man of true worth, like our president.

So you are saying the U.S. knew Saddam was planning an invasion, but we didn't stop it? And from the tone I am assuming you thinK we should have stepped in and stopped it? Violating Iraqs soverignty in a nice preemptive sort of way? Or not?

-Colly
 
Colleen Thomas said:
Anyone who supports what happened on 9/11 you are half right on, the jerk part.

-Colly

Excuse me. Where in my post does it say I supported what happened on 9/11?

And no, it wasn't necessary to live in New York to be afraid of dying that day. The whole country watched the towers fall with our morning news, and saw the Pentagon attacked, and saw a plane go down in Pennsylvania. The sky was falling, and we had no idea who would be next. I waited with a close friend while she waited to hear from her fiance, who was at a business meeting a few blocks from the World Trade Center that day and was without his cell phone. Don't tell me that I abhorred what happened that day less than you did. We were all afraid; none of us knew where it would stop.

Yet some of us saw past the carnage, to the future. I knew that the events of 9/11 tragically coincided with the presence in Washington of John Ashcroft, who despises freedom the way the president says terrorists do; and of Dick Cheney, who wanted a war in the middle east. I agreed with the New York Times columnist who predicted that America would do more harm to itself than any outsider could ever do.

We were right. It's come true.

Hello, John Ashcroft. Be sure to add me to the list of people who have told you to bite my ass, you purse-lipped self-righteous son of a bitch. You're the terrorist who's conducting a war on freedom from inside the system, where its effects are more subtle and far more lasting.
 
Colleen Thomas said:
We didn't even bomb Iran in the wake of the hostage crisis.
-Colly

Ahem. You're forgetting that it would have been a little embarrassing to bomb anyone since saintly President Reagan and his henchmen had been playing with the lives of the hostages in order to raise money that Congress had turned down for the Contras. Your favorite President armed Iran behind Congress' back. All he and V.P. Bush wanted in the aftermath of the hostage release was for the whole mess to be forgotten as quickly as possible.

Svenska, I also happen to think you're way out of line for implying that we in any way "had it coming" on September 11. I'm fully cognizant of the way my government has interfered in the middle east. I know we're hated in Saudi Arabia because we prop up a government that is despised by its people no less than the Shah of Iran was despised. But to say that the people who died that day deserved to die because their government is often run by assholes is hateful, and I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt - although you didn't ask for it - and assume that you didn't mean it. Your country keeps you safe by means of its neutrality. It's a nice gig, if you can get it.
 
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Orginally posted by Colleen Thomas

Exactly which bombings are you talking about?

1964 and 1972) North Vietnam
1965 to 1973) Laos
1969 to 1973) Cambodia
1964 to 1975) Vietnam, Laos
1981) Lebanon (actually, support of bombing raids by Israel.)
1998) Sudan
1999) Yugoslavia (with NATO support), Iraq (with UK support).
1991 to 1999) Kuwait, Iraq (Unexploded cluster bombs.)
2001) Afghanistan (with UK support)
2002) Iraq (with UK support.

And that is only the BOMBINGS. Then we have all the wars you've been involved in. Is it really that strange that the world doesn't like you?

Please allow me to recommend a few links:

"Why does everybody hate us?"

Americans Against Bombing (This one has great articles!)

Victims of American Foreign Policy
 
I'm saying there's evidence that the State Department encouraged an invasion of Kuwait with its silence, and that the reasons for them to do so make perfect sense in the context of the first Bush presidency. I'm suggesting that we not pat ourselves on the back too happily for something we might have stopped through diplomacy, but chose to allow because Kuwait was messing with the energy industry status quo.

Edited to add: then I'm leaving this thread alone, because having heard one poster say that 9/ll was justified and having had another poster accuse me of condoning it because I don't hate Arab-Americans, I don't see the point in continuing.
 
shereads said:
Svenska, I also happen to think you're way out of line for implying that we in any way "had it coming" on September 11. I'm fully cognizant of the way my government has interfered in the middle east. I know we're hated in Saudi Arabia because we prop up a government that is despised by its people no less than the Shah of Iran was despised. But to say that the people who died that day deserved to die because their government is often run by assholes is hateful, and I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt - although you didn't ask for it - and assume that you didn't mean it. Your country keeps you safe by means of its neutrality. It's a nice gig, if you can get it.


No, I'm not saying that those who died deserved it. They were innocent civilians, who hadn't done anything to their attackers. What I'm saying is that American politics is pissing people off, and when American politics kills innocent people in foreign countries, then those countries will want to revenge.

As always, the ones responsible for it, ie politicians, don't get killed, only innocents do.
 
Svenskaflicka said:
Then we have all the wars you've been involved in. Is it really that strange that the world doesn't like you?

And as for you, young lady, let's not forget that you'd be dining beneath a portrait of Hitler on velvet if not for one of the wars we became involved in. We were over here, safe. You were over there with your asses on the line.

No thanks are necessary, truly.

I think you know by now that I'm not one of the blind faithful when it comes to U.S. foreign policy. But demonizing us is a post-WWII and post-Cold War luxury of your generation that your seniors didn't get to indulge. Even the French liked us when they needed us.
 
Colleen Thomas said:
So you are saying the U.S. knew Saddam was planning an invasion, but we didn't stop it? And from the tone I am assuming you thinK we should have stepped in and stopped it? Violating Iraqs soverignty in a nice preemptive sort of way? Or not?

Imagine. We've already forgotten that there used to be ways to head off a crisis without creating a worse one. Now that we're the world's schoolyard bully, it's hard to remember when we were one of the smart kids at the front of the class.
 
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