Deplorables mostly silent as pro-choice goes on a major winning streak

[RoryN]

Speaks volumes. ​

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Abortion rights have won in every election since Roe v. Wade was overturned​

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/el...very-election-roe-v-wade-overturned-rcna99031

 

[DeluxAuto]

American Patriots are tired of the fake Christian right pushing their bullshit religious beliefs on us sane people.

 

[astuffedshirt_perv]

Am I the only one perplexed as to why Ohio is viewed as a huge pro-choice win?

In Ohio Tuesday, abortion wasn't directly on the ballot, but the fight over a measure that would have made it tougher to pass state constitutional amendments in the future was largely framed around the issue with both sides eyeing an abortion-rights measure that will be on the ballot in November.

The ballot would have raised the bar to amend the Ohio constitution from 50% to 60%. Is the expectation that at most 59% of Ohio voters support abortion rights? Because that still seems like a pretty low bar.

 

[ll74]

Am I the only one perplexed as to why Ohio is viewed as a huge pro-choice win?

The ballot would have raised the bar to amend the Ohio constitution from 50% to 60%. Is the expectation that at most 59% of Ohio voters support abortion rights? Because that still seems like a pretty low bar.

The ballot was to turn Ohio into an undemocratic state. That's what Ohio voted on and we voted against it. The supporters want the minority to decide the state's interests.

The November issue is still to be decided. Based on previously post-Dobbs abortion issues, the turnout should be larger than is typical.

 

[ChloeTzang]

All this proves is that the Supreme Court overturning Roe vs Wade was 100% the correct decision to make. It was NEVER a consititional issue. The power to legislate on abortion was returned to the States, where it always belonged, or should have belonged, and now there are no excuses.

All parties are free to take this to the State legislatures, and State legislatures are, State by State, reflecting the will of their voters. In some cases it is pro-baby killing, in others it is pro-life, but regardless, the voters are deciding, which is the way our system is supposed to operate - and in every case, the people have spoken. Impossible to argue with that on both sides. If you're in a pro-life state and you want to murder your baby, why, you can fuck off to a pro-baby-killing state and not come back. We're all better off for it.

 

[DeluxAuto]

pro-baby killing

pro-baby-killing

murder your baby

No one is advocating any of this, you lying histrionic schmuck.

 

[ll74]

All this proves is that the Supreme Court overturning Roe vs Wade was 100% the correct decision to make. It was NEVER a consititional issue. The power to legislate on abortion was returned to the States, where it always belonged, or should have belonged, and now there are no excuses.

What it actually shows is that when it is properly brought up for decision at the state level, the right will cheat to stop it. That's exactly what they did and the voters didn't fall for it.

 

[KeithD]

It should be obvious to everyone that pro-choice is the control factor in the coming election cycle. All the Democrats need do is latch onto pro-choice, ride it hard, and keep pointing out the Republican position on this and the Democrats can sweep the election cycles until/unless the Republicans let loose of their position--and, like hanging onto Trump, they are hanging on to a losing abortion policy to the point of suicide.

 

[jaF0]

The Chloes are pro-choice as long as they get to make the choice and everyone agrees with them.

 

[ChloeTzang]

What it actually shows is that when it is properly brought up for decision at the state level, the right will cheat to stop it. That's exactly what they did and the voters didn't fall for it.

Democrats would know all about that one. LOL. Cheating is built in as a feature to our electoral system. Altho Democrats say not, so as it's apparently impossible, I have no idea why you're complaining about it. Nevertheless, the voters have spoken. Which is as it should be.

 

[ChloeTzang]

No one is advocating any of this, you lying histrionic schmuck.

Bwaaahahahahahahahahaha. Tell me you're living in fantasy and without actually saying it.

 

[ll74]

Democrats would know all about that one. LOL. Cheating is built in as a feature to our electoral system. Altho Democrats say not, so as it's apparently impossible, I have no idea why you're complaining about it. Nevertheless, the voters have spoken. Which is as it should be.

Our electoral system is setup so that states are the dominate factor of the Republic. Democrats typically favor a more democratic approach. I'm not complaining about issue 1 being struck down...I'm celebrating that the creators have been defeated.

 

[ChloeTzang]

The Chloes are pro-choice as long as they get to make the choice and everyone agrees with them.

Nope. Like I said, totally in line with the revocation of Roe vs Wade, or Wade vs Fish-Roe, or whatever it was, that kicks it back to the States. I may not agree with the decision by each State, but each State gets to legislate and decide. That's as it should be. I don't agree with the pro-baby killers obviously, but if a state's voters decide to go down that route and legislate to permit baby-murdering to continue, well, that's on them. Our Constitution was designed to give States a great deal of legislative power and control, and that's the way it should be. I could not in good faith support that decision without acknowledging that hey, those state by state decisions may not be what I personally agree with, and without also acknowledging the validity of the legislative results where it may not be what I personally agree with.

 

[ll74]

Nope. Like I said, totally in line with the revocation of Roe vs Wade, or Wade vs Fish-Roe, or whatever it was, that kicks it back to the States. I may not agree with the decision by each State, but each State gets to legislate and decide. That's as it should be. I don't agree with the pro-baby killers obviously, but if a state's voters decide to go down that route and legislate to permit baby-murdering to continue, well, that's on them. Our Constitution was designed to give States a great deal of legislative power and control, and that's the way it should be. I could not in good faith support that decision without acknowledging that hey, those state by state decisions may not be what I personally agree with, and without also acknowledging the validity of the legislative results where it may not be what I personally agree with.

Abortion doesn't involve babies

 

[ChloeTzang]

Our electoral system is setup so that states are the dominate factor of the Republic. Democrats typically favor a more democratic approach. I'm not complaining about issue 1 being struck down...I'm celebrating that the creators have been defeated.

Personally I think the whole thing validates the process, the Constitutional powers, division of, the adherence to the Constitution as per the Supreme Court decision, and the ability of voters to decide on an issue intelligently when it's put in front of them. Democrats typically favor a dictatorship of the majority approach, yes, which again is where our structure as a Constitutional Republic is a real benefit, preventing that dictatorship of the majority in most cases, altho sadly, too many states are tending towards a super majority on one side or the other as we migrate internally into blue and red states.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Abortion doesn't involve babies

Splitting hairs there and that you even say that just illustrates the differences in views.

 

[spacekowboy]

Is a cake a cake if you take it out the oven after 10 minutes?
If so then go cut yourself a slice of batter.

 

[ll74]

Splitting hairs there and that you even say that just illustrates the differences in views.

Stating a fact. There is not any part of an abortion that a doctor refers to the fetus as a baby because a baby requires a birth

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

All this proves is that the Supreme Court overturning Roe vs Wade was 100% the correct decision to make. It was NEVER a consititional issue. The power to legislate on abortion was returned to the States, where it always belonged, or should have belonged, and now there are no excuses.

All parties are free to take this to the State legislatures, and State legislatures are, State by State, reflecting the will of their voters. In some cases it is pro-baby killing, in others it is pro-life, but regardless, the voters are deciding, which is the way our system is supposed to operate - and in every case, the people have spoken. Impossible to argue with that on both sides. If you're in a pro-life state and you want to murder your baby, why, you can fuck off to a pro-baby-killing state and not come back. We're all better off for it.

As the OP notes, abortion rights advocates have won a string of post-Dobbs victories. SCOTUS restored fidelity to the Constitution and recent elections in places like Iowa and Ohio (assuming the upcoming abortion vote was a factor in this week’s outcome) have demonstrated the virtues of federalism and representative government.

 

[DeluxAuto]

Bwaaahahahahahahahahaha. Tell me you're living in fantasy and without actually saying it.

I already quoted you, bro.

 

[DeluxAuto]

Splitting hairs there and that you even say that just illustrates the differences in views.

It's not a difference in views. You just don't believe in biology and science.

 

[jaF0]

^^^ But she's a big fan of the giant orange infant.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Splitting hairs there and that you even say that just illustrates the differences in views.

The clinical term is fetus, and as most parents can attest, pediatric physicians (and parents) commonly refer to the fetus as the baby. The terms are used interchangeably.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Splitting hairs there and that you even say that just illustrates the differences in views.

No hair splitting, at best you could apply the words "potential baby".That is in essence all a fetus is. Until it is able to survive one it's own outside womb it is a fetus. That occurs around 24 weeks ( I think, that is the earliest age a pre-born fetus has survived from).

The reason you keep on using incorrect words such a "baby" is either to stir up the emotions, or you're just to fucking stupid. Which is it?

 

[Fuzzy1975]

The clinical term is fetus, and as most parents can attest, physicians (and parents) commonly refer to the fetus as the baby. The terms are used interchangeably.

*chuckles*

That a professional dumb's down terms to the layman level, doesn't mean terms are interchangeable. According to the Law, a Fetus is a Fetus, and a Baby is a Baby, no interchange there Boomer.