Deplorable Crows

[Que]

It's just so weird to me because Rory's right, it speaks to the mindset. It doesn't matter what it is, they just can't be wrong about anything. The way they're treating identifying a bird is the same way they treat shit that matters. That's why it's bothering me.

Like they can say, "Look at the field guide" and when you pull out the fucking field guide they still just stubbornly look at a crow and say it's not a crow, in complete defiance of reality.

In the say way that they call legal asylum seekers "illegals" when you pull out the law book.

They are just disconnected from reality and it's fucking aggravating.

Look at the actual crows in Rory's original post and compare it to the grackle dancing around by the water bottle that it's not even as big as.

You're absolutely seeing what you think you should be seeing not what you're actually seeing.

Probably influence by the fact that all of the crows that you were quite sure where crows actually weren't so now you're saying grackles which is probably what you saw by the dumpster and you're saying yep that's what I saw a crows. It is called a conditioned blind spot.

 

[Ann_Tagonist]

We know for sure, he can't identify a grackle.

I guess it only matters to other grackles.

 

[CandiCame]

You've grown up around poultry. Crows are almost the size of a chicken they weigh almost a pound. Look at that grackle next to that water bottle it's nowhere near the size of a crow. The body is too lean and it is far too much tail compared to body to be a crow.

It's a lot closer to a blackbird than a crow.

I've seen blackbirds up-close-and-personal in Idaho. I have seen grackles shit on my car just this week.

Blackbirds when used to describe the thrush and not "any bird with black feathers" which is how I was using it colloquially, have ORANGE FUCKING BEAKS.

They really do just all look the same to you.

Here's something interesting, whenever you google: "Crow with a water bottle" this is the image that comes up, sourced to the Mother Nature Network, that shows this same video IN AN ARTICLE ABOUT CROWS.

https://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/animals/blogs/smart-thirsty-crow-turns-to-humans-for-help

Edit: Which I was googling to show a size comparison because you're wrong about bird sizes.

Here's Betty the wire-bending crow, who was born and raised in a bird research facility in the UK, who we know for sure is a crow, displaying her intelligence as part of an experiment. Look at her size and compare it to the video. Or look at the source of the video where the bird is identified as a crow.

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2016/aug/10/crow-that-bent-wire-to-retrieve-food-was-acting-naturally-scientists-discover

Lord have mercy.

 

[RoryN]

https://sciencing.com/differences-between-crow-grackle-8611519.html

Unlike crows, grackles have bright yellow eyes.

(This is getting fun.)

 

[Ann_Tagonist]

Blackbirds when used to describe the thrush and not "any bird with black feathers" which is how I was using it colloquially, have ORANGE FUCKING BEAKS.

They really do just all look the same to you.

Here's something interesting, whenever you google: "Crow with a water bottle" this is the image that comes up, sourced to the Mother Nature Network, that shows this same video IN AN ARTICLE ABOUT CROWS.

https://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/animals/blogs/smart-thirsty-crow-turns-to-humans-for-help

You go out and catch a crow and bring it to show and tell.

 

[Que]

That us a pretty good argument, if not one of any authority. It identifies it as a Croatian Crow. Presumably meaning a crow that happened to be found in Croatia. Near as I can tell there's no such thing as an actual Croatian Crow as distinct from any other Crow. So this is a picture of a bird in Croatia that the person captioning is calling a crow. It may or may not be a crow but I still maintain that it appears to be a grackle. Not a crow.

 

[Que]

https://sciencing.com/differences-between-crow-grackle-8611519.html

Unlike crows, grackles have bright yellow eyes.

(This is getting fun.)

That's what I said. I can't see them very well but they don't look like Crow eyes. I'm catching a glint of golden as it flits by.

 

[Luk]

Que didn't post in this thread until I posted about my smoking hot girlfriend. Now he's regretting the fuck out of that mistake

 

[CandiCame]

https://sciencing.com/differences-between-crow-grackle-8611519.html

Unlike crows, grackles have bright yellow eyes.

(This is getting fun.)

https://uproxx.files.wordpress.com/2016/08/bobs-burgers-kill-myself-gif.gif?w=500&h=200

 

[Ann_Tagonist]

Que didn't post in this thread until I posted about my smoking hot girlfriend. Now he's regretting the fuck out of that mistake

The fake breakup will be epic.

 

[Que]

Look at the differences in beak the crow has diagonal cutters and the grackle has needle-nose pliers

 

[CandiCame]

That us a pretty good argument, if not one of any authority. It identifies it as a Croatian Crow. Presumably meaning a crow that happened to be found in Croatia. Near as I can tell there's no such thing as an actual Croatian Crow as distinct from any other Crow. So this is a picture of a bird in Croatia that the person captioning is calling a crow. It may or may not be a crow but I still maintain that it appears to be a grackle. Not a crow.

Again, according to this field guide, the Croatian Crow is also called the Hooded Crow, and is most closely related to the Carrion Crow. But it doesn't actually look a goddamn thing like the crow in the video so idk where you're getting that. It's not even black.

Oh, I looked at the article and Croatian is capitalized while Crow isn't so they're obviously saying it's a crow that was in Croatia. Which is interesting because it looks just like a North American crow.

BOOM. I found it. It's a Carrion Crow, which is just the European version of a North American crow, and they share almost exactly the same phenotype. They can also interbreed but they are NOT the same exact species. But they can hybridize without any problems, that is, they produce fertile offspring.

So look at that, I was wrong about the specific species. And I'm admitting it. Like a human person does when they were wrong about something.

https://download.ams.birds.cornell.edu/api/v1/asset/44586201/900

In my defense, it took actual bird scientists until the year of our lord 2011 to figure out they were two distinct species so I actually don't feel super bad about that.

 

[RocketLauncher]

Oh ffs. It's not rocket appliances Ricky.

https://www.audubon.org/news/birdist-rule-65-how-tell-difference-between-crows

 

[von_Bismarck]

Que didn't post in this thread until I posted about my smoking hot girlfriend. Now he's regretting the fuck out of that mistake

Indeed. Holy fucking shit is Que needlessly doubling down on stupid.

Maybe we can push him into another meltdown.

 

[CandiCame]

Look at the actual crows in Rory's original post and compare it to the grackle dancing around by the water bottle that it's not even as big as.

You're absolutely seeing what you think you should be seeing not what you're actually seeing.

Probably influence by the fact that all of the crows that you were quite sure where crows actually weren't so now you're saying grackles which is probably what you saw by the dumpster and you're saying yep that's what I saw a crows. It is called a conditioned blind spot.

Que, honey, you know how birds have regional variations? The Grackles in Ky and much of Appalachia look like this:

http://www.columbiamagazine.com/photos/23864.jpg
http://www.columbiamagazine.com/photoarchive.php?photo_id=23864
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fd/Quiscalus-quiscula-001.jpg

They can get pretty dark, but they're always gonna be on some blue shit.

https://www.birdwatchersdigest.com/bwdsite/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/boat-tailed-grackle.jpg

So no, I'm not gonna mistake an APPALACHIAN grackle for a crow.

Edit: I mean unless a whole goddamn flock flew up from Texas specifically to fuck with me.

 

[Luk]

Indeed. Holy fucking shit is Que needlessly doubling down on stupid.

Maybe we can push him into another meltdown.

Candi just ruined him in a blurt thread.

I'm honestly not sure that I can tell the difference between one of Tweak's meltdowns or just his normal shitpisting anymore

 

[Que]

Ours here are jet black. The females are brown. Although I may have those backwards.

I'm open to the idea that I also could have a conditioned blind spot because as far as I know I've never seen a crow in Arizona. I do see grackles all the time and that looks exactly like our grackles.

 

[von_Bismarck]

Also, I didn't learn until just a few years ago that crows are songbirds, and can be taught to speak English (and, presumably, other human words).

https://youtu.be/BbRS9K4rZ8Y

 

[Que]

Also, I didn't learn until just a few years ago that crows are songbirds, and can be taught to speak English (and, presumably, other human words).

https://youtu.be/BbRS9K4rZ8Y

Although they are ravens, Wild Wild West showed they could.

 

[Que]

Que, honey, you know how birds have regional variations? The Grackles in Ky and much of Appalachia look like this:

http://www.columbiamagazine.com/photos/23864.jpg
http://www.columbiamagazine.com/photoarchive.php?photo_id=23864
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fd/Quiscalus-quiscula-001.jpg

They can get pretty dark, but they're always gonna be on some blue shit.

https://www.birdwatchersdigest.com/bwdsite/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/boat-tailed-grackle.jpg

So no, I'm not gonna mistake an APPALACHIAN grackle for a crow.

Edit: I mean unless a whole goddamn flock flew up from Texas specifically to fuck with me.

Fair point.

If the water bottle bird is a crow or in the Crow family he is definitely not American crow sized. No way that bird weighs a pound. He's not even as big as a pigeon.

 

[CandiCame]

Also, I didn't learn until just a few years ago that crows are songbirds, and can be taught to speak English (and, presumably, other human words).

https://youtu.be/BbRS9K4rZ8Y

Yeah! I've actually posted about this before, which is part of the reason why it's weird to me that Que is acting like I don't know what a crow is, but there was this crow in the bank my granny used to do her business at that talked. It was a pet, because that's pretty common, which is why it's buckwild Anne thinks they won't come near people.

But that bird would fuck with me. He was in this cage and he'd be like,

"Hey kid, hey kid. Come here"
"Let me out"
"Give me candy".

They had a sign under this cage like, "Please do not let this bird out or give him candy. He's fat and he'll poop on things."

But like he learned "Give me candy" because the bank gave out suckers to kids, and people would frequently give him suckers. I gave him suckers. He was fat as hell.

 

[CandiCame]

Fair point.

If the water bottle bird is a crow or in the Crow family he is definitely not American crow sized. No way that bird weighs a pound. He's not even as big as a pigeon.

In you don't count the tail a grown-ass American crow is only 8in tall. A 16.9oz water bottle is also 8in tall. The Carrion Crow is the same size as an American crow, so it's literally exactly the size it's supposed to be in the video.

 

[Que]

Again, according to this field guide, the Croatian Crow is also called the Hooded Crow, and is most closely related to the Carrion Crow. But it doesn't actually look a goddamn thing like the crow in the video so idk where you're getting that. It's not even black.

Oh, I looked at the article and Croatian is capitalized while Crow isn't so they're obviously saying it's a crow that was in Croatia. Which is interesting because it looks just like a North American crow.

BOOM. I found it. It's a Carrion Crow, which is just the European version of a North American crow, and they share almost exactly the same phenotype. They can also interbreed but they are NOT the same exact species. But they can hybridize without any problems, that is, they produce fertile offspring.

So look at that, I was wrong about the specific species. And I'm admitting it. Like a human person does when they were wrong about something.

https://download.ams.birds.cornell.edu/api/v1/asset/44586201/900

In my defense, it took actual bird scientists until the year of our lord 2011 to figure out they were two distinct species so I actually don't feel super bad about that.

All agree that the bird in the picture above does look exactly like an American crow. Are you saying though that the bird in that picture looks to you exactly like the bird in the water bottle picture yes or no?

I think the water bottle bird looks longer leaner with a longer tail and smaller than that bird appears to be.

 

[CandiCame]

Candi just ruined him in a blurt thread.

I'm honestly not sure that I can tell the difference between one of Tweak's meltdowns or just his normal shitpisting anymore

Well, he's on some fucking "Taming of the Shrew" set in 1984 shit.

"HOW MANY LIGHTS ARE THERE!?"

 

[Que]

Oh ffs. It's not rocket appliances Ricky.

https://www.audubon.org/news/birdist-rule-65-how-tell-difference-between-crows

How does a guide to tell the difference between Crows help you determine the difference between a crow and a grackle?