Demons, ghosts, experiences

sunstruck said:
Has anyone actually won this argument on either side? I mean actually gotten anyone to change their stance on the subject? I'm thinking not.

Sunny....I myself am not here to change anyone's stance on what they believe. All I wanted was to hear other people's experiences because I can relate to them. I have experienced a lot.
 
Y'know what, Dixon? You're right. You're right that the drape could have moved for a million other reasons. But if I saw things, then I saw them. And if I dream things and they happen, well they happen, don't they? If I saw dead aunt whoever moving the drapes, then I saw her. And I believe there's a reason why she's there. My belief in spirits and ghosts isn't a faith thing. I have faith in a god. I have faith in the power of the universe. But I do believe that spirits exist. I believe in psychic power, and I believe in astral-projection, as well as other 'occult' occurrances.

And actually, the last thing of mine that you quoted? I don't think it was overreacting at all... I just turned your words around on you and presented you with the converse of your argument.

Now who overreacted?
 
sunstruck said:
Has anyone actually won this argument on either side? I mean actually gotten anyone to change their stance on the subject? I'm thinking not.

Yes, I have actually -- often. There are plenty of people who asusme that astrology and ESP and ghosts are real without ever really thinking about them. After making them think about them, I've converted them.

And I think I changed a few minds here a while back when I did my Jonathan Edwards impression.
 
My best story I think I have posted it once don't ask me where. Anyway I was 9 months along with my first child. Me and my husband were watching TV when I felt something start to twirl my hair. Now this freaked me out a bit because me and my husband were on different couches. Can you see it in your mind a 9 month pregnant woman jumping off a couch? So I calm down and move to the other side of the couch and put my legs up. not 10 minutes go and I feel something touch my leg. Once again I freak out . My son was born the next day.
 
My sister once said that she felt a disturbing evil presence in my room and used my crucifix to run it off.

I think she was baked at the time.

TB4p
 
Dixon Carter Lee said:
Hoo boy.



NONE of that is communicative, or even transmits information in a pattern that could translated into anything communincative. You're extrapolating way way too far.

OK- Fine so- when your eyes see something and send a signal to your brain and your brain tells you that it is a blue pencil- then your brain couldn't possibly be conveying that there is a blue pencil there and that is a mere figment of your imagination?

Interesting, so how did your brain perceive the object?

Einstein did not believe that people could be converted to energy in the sense that they wuold retain corporeal ties, he meant that if you burn someone he gives off heat. And Albert Einstein did not believe in time travel.

Ok- then who was it that said time travel was possible if the one could go faster then the speed of light. And who developed the theory of space/time continuim (probably spelled wrong)
 
teddybear4play said:
My sister once said that she felt a disturbing evil presence in my room and used my crucifix to run it off.

I think she was baked at the time.

TB4p

LMAO!!!!
 
Originally posted by Chantal Marchon OK- Fine so- when your eyes see something and send a signal to your brain and your brain tells you that it is a blue pencil- then your brain couldn't possibly be conveying that there is a blue pencil there and that is a mere figment of your imagination?

I'm sorry, can you explain the correlation between how eyesight works and how telepathy works again? I think biologists have found the iris et. al. Where's the tallywacker device that allows me to read your mind?

Originally posted by Chantal Marchon
Ok- then who was it that said time travel was possible if the one could go faster then the speed of light. And who developed the theory of space/time continuim (probably spelled wrong)

*sigh* No one said you could go faster than the speed of light, and even if you could you'd be dead because your mass would become nearly infinite. "Time" passes differently for an observer relative to his mass and accelaration in regards to surrounding gravity, which means that a clock on a mountain will move faster than a clock in a well, but that isn't time travel, which isn't possible. And it was Einstein that proposed that time and space are the same thing -- spacetime, but what in the world that has to do with ghosts I have no idea. You're throwing tidbits of science and physics into a big giant pot and making an "Ah-ha!" stew.
 
Dixon Carter Lee said:
No, we're talking. I Flick my Bic for the Idiot Clique, not these people.

I was simply commenting that this thread has the potential to become a flame war of epic proportions. No need to get your panties in a knot, friend.
 
space/time continuim is in relationship to time travel.

And I never said how eyesight works is related to how telepathy works.

What I pointed out was that your mind can perceive the pencil which is transmitted through electro impulses through your nerve cells to your brain, therefore, things are obviously being transmitted in a discernible pattern. Just because some of these things are in a form of energy that we do not normally encounter does not mean that we can't possibly interpret it in our brain or that they are just meaningless impulses.


But I have to go to work now- you should debate quantum physics with Dillinger, he is better at it.
 
Originally posted by Chantal Marchon

What I pointed out was that your mind can perceive the pencil which is transmitted through electro impulses through your nerve cells to your brain, therefore, things are obviously being transmitted in a discernible pattern. Just because some of these things are in a form of energy that we do not normally encounter does not mean that we can't possibly interpret it in our brain or that they are just meaningless impulses.

You see, this is what I'm talking about. None of that makes any sense, although it sounds all scientific and junk. It's a meaningless extrapolation to go from how optic nerves work with energy to infering that somehow "wavy things of thought" can be intercepted and "read".

And I still have no idea what point you're trying to make by bringing up time travel, spacetime, or Einstein, unless it's all just more science words for your stew.
 
When they prove it scientifically in a sterile, double-blind laboratory setting (and all those other good sciencey words), then I'll believe it.

Until then I'll continue to maintain that belief in the supernatural is simply superstition, and often a crutch for people who have left organized religion but can't totally give up the mysterious.

Sorta like recovering alcoholics who take up smoking.
 
I love ghost stories. I love any story with a supernatural twist. But they are just stories. If it can't be prooven, than it is a matter of belief and not a matter of fact.
 
sunstruck said:
I love ghost stories. I love any story with a supernatural twist. But they are just stories. If it can't be prooven, than it is a matter of belief and not a matter of fact.

Me too. I love to read stories about the supernatural, and they make up the bulk of my writing. But I don't believe in those stories anymore than I believe in Santa Claus.
 
I've also realized recently that belief in deep conspiracies is an intellectual's answer to the supernatural, which they've abandoned. Think about it -- belief in the illuminati, a powerful force, involved in everything, controling everything, creating everything, with the power to destroy everything, that cannot be placated, that must be appeased, whose judgement will come in the future after the creation of a political paradise (heaven), meets all the requirements to fullfil our human need to create God. The New World Order is the opiate of the socialist workers party. Witness the fantatically orthodox faith of REDWAVE et. al. No wonder he thinks I work for the CIA. I'm his Mephistopholese.

Cool.
 
Oh great. Now I have Cats stuck in my head. Thanks Dix.

Oh well, a never was there ever, a cat so clever as magical Mr. Mephistopholese
 
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