Demons, ghosts, experiences

[Dixon Carter Lee]

Belief in the supernatural is another neurotic conceit that homo sapiens are special to creation.

That sounds about right.

 

[Ms_Lilith]

That sounds about right.

oh go away. You're starting to look dumb.

 

[Chantal Marchon]

Not really Dixon, you will find that most of us who believe in the supernatural, don't think it is super, just natural and that we also have seen animals who sense the presence of other beings as well.


And the energy in objects and people has been verified in a number of scientific ways.

Even in the animal world creatures have adapted to feel energy- for example, sharks have special nerve endings in their nose that can detect the elctro-magnetic energy of a body.

But back to humans- humans nervous system runs on electronic pulses, the nerve cells change polarity to send messages back and forth. It is widely believed that spirits and other beings are forms of energy, sentient though. Oddly enough this falls into one of Einstein's theories. Some humans brains are able to interpret these electronic signals. Others could be trained to.

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

I'm making a point. You seem to accept the preternatural as thing "natural" that "happens to everybody".

We all believe in the occurrances, and we've each had a few.

We don't all believe in the occurrances, and haven't each had a few. As a matter of fact, there isn't a single credible supernatural phenomenon in history, including the stories above. And the interesting part is that when this is pointed out the faithful get angry rather than inquisitive (see "dumb" remark above), like you're about to tell them Santa Claus isn't real.

I'm not dumb. I've been in the realm of magic a long, long time, and I swear to the ghosts of Purple Haze that for every story of the supernatural 100 better explanations exist. You're only "dumb" if this never occurs to you.

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

It is widely believed that spirits and other beings are forms of energy, sentient though. Oddly enough this falls into one of Einstein's theories. Some humans brains are able to interpret these electronic signals. Others could be trained to.

Astonishingly wrong. There is no organ in the human brain that accepts communicative electronic signals, and even if there were what on EARTH does that have to do with Einstein's theories about matter, energy, acceleration and forces of attraction?

I leave you all your faith, but don't gobbledegook the science.

 

[Ms_Lilith]

I'm making a point. You seem to accept the preternatural as thing "natural" that "happens to everybody".



We don't all believe in the occurrances, and haven't each had a few. As a matter of fact, there isn't a single credible supernatural phenomenon in history, including the stories above. And the interesting part is that when this is pointed out the faithful get angry rather than inquisitive (see "dumb" remark above), like you're about to tell them Santa Claus isn't real.

I'm not dumb. I've been in the realm of magic a long, long time, and I swear to the ghosts of Purple Haze that for every story of the supernatural 100 better explanations exist. You're only "dumb" if this never occurs to you.

I said 'all' as a flippant remark. I didn't mean it seriously. Second, if you don't believe in it.. okay.. but why the need to repeat yourself a few times? Methinks you doth protest too much. That's fine if you don't believe in it, and I respect that. Most people I know don't believe in it either. But if you don't, then let us that do have a conversation about it. About our experiences. And I didn't say the dumb comment angrily. (You underestimate me if you think something like that will make me angry). I rolled my eyes as I typed.

 

[Chantal Marchon]

gee, could it be that the "faithful" get angry because they are insulted? hmm, could be. This questions their beliefs, sanity and intelligence. It is highly insulting. Hven't you learned by now you can't convert someone by insulting them.


But if you can explain one of the experiences I had as anything but what it was I would like to be entertained.

 

[Shingen]

Thanks everyone for posting your experiences and for those who don't believe, your comments have been noted.

DCL, repeating what vixenshe said, there was no need to repeat yourself. We heard you the first time. But I do thank you for your opinion.

Now can't we all get along? I'm still interested to hear about other people's experiences. So if there is anyone else out there lurking, please feel free.

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

why the need to repeat yourself a few times?

Because I'm fascinated by how ferociously the fervently occult ignore, deny and hate rational discourse. My assertion is an extremely good counterpoint, but it won't be considered because that ooo scary thing that happened to you in the shadowy barn in 1984 is far cooler.

So, I repeat myself: Belief in the supernatural is another neurotic conceit that homo sapiens are special to creation.

 

[Ms_Lilith]

Because I'm fascinated by how ferociously the fervently occult

I'm not ferocious, fervent, or occult.

 

[Shingen]

DCL, let us believe in what we want to believe and you can believe what you want to believe. Even if we do sound irrational and neurotic, really it's fine with me. I'm not here to try to impose my belief system on someone else. I just want to hear other people's experiences.

So go away already!

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

When I said "all"...

 

[Chantal Marchon]

My aunt lived in an old apartment building in Indianapolis. The halls were very well lit- no shadows. She wanted me to check out the top floor because she felt something there. At the top floor there is a stairway that has been leads up to the roof. The stairs are still there but the door to the roof was closed off and drywalled.

I could immediately see something there. As I concentrated on it, it became more solid like a dark gray shadow. I also started to get pictures of what had happened to the spirit in my mind.-

It was shortly after WWII and it was a little boy that had been playing on the roof, his mother called him down for dinner, he ran and slipped on the steps and fractured his skull and died.

As I was telling my aunt this, he started to walk towards me, I told him to go sit down, which it did. My aunt could see a faint flicker of shadow.

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

DCL, let us believe in what we want to believe and you can believe what you want to believe. Even if we do sound irrational and neurotic, really it's fine with me. I'm not here to try to impose my belief system on someone else. I just want to hear other people's experiences.

So go away already!

Hi Shingen. Welcome to the Board. All threads go off on tangents. The whole point is to hear what everyone has to say, provided what they have to say is worthy.

So blow me already.

 

[Ms_Lilith]

When I said "all"...

You actually didn't say all.

But just cus I believe in ghosts, I'm occult? Because I believe in the energy of spirits in the universe, I'm ferocious and fervently occult?

Oh come on, now you're just going to extremes.

How about those that ferociously and fervently deny the possibility... doesn't that make them ferociously ignorant and closed minded?

I mean... just live and let live. I believe, you don't, and that's fine. I'm not going out of my way to make you feel like a moron cus you don't. So leave us alone.

 

[Ms_Lilith]

My aunt lived in an old apartment building in Indianapolis. The halls were very well lit- no shadows. She wanted me to check out the top floor because she felt something there. At the top floor there is a stairway that has been leads up to the roof. The stairs are still there but the door to the roof was closed off and drywalled.

I could immediately see something there. As I concentrated on it, it became more solid like a dark gray shadow. I also started to get pictures of what had happened to the spirit in my mind.-

It was shortly after WWII and it was a little boy that had been playing on the roof, his mother called him down for dinner, he ran and slipped on the steps and fractured his skull and died.

As I was telling my aunt this, he started to walk towards me, I told him to go sit down, which it did. My aunt could see a faint flicker of shadow.

goosebumpy! Very cool. I am apprehensive of spirits, for the most part... I think you handled it well.

 

[Shingen]

That's a really nice story Chantal!

I've never seen ghosts per se, but rather balls of light and have sensed a presence numerous times. I guess I'm clair-sensient? Is that right?

 

[Chantal Marchon]

Astonishingly wrong. There is no organ in the human brain that accepts communicative electronic signals, and even if there were what on EARTH does that have to do with Einstein's theories about matter, energy, acceleration and forces of attraction?

I leave you all your faith, but don't gobbledegook the science.

The entire brain accepts such impulses- how do you think CAT scans and EEG readings would be possible otherwise?

Cells send signals with salt, calcium and (I think) phosphorous creating a basic chemical reaction that causes electric signals and a chain reaction effect.-- Hello, I did take physiology in college- did you?

as to Einstein's theory- it was one of the theories of mass being converted to energy. He believed that it was possible even for people to change into energy. But he also believes that time travel is possible. Quantum physics, ain't it fun.

 

[starkpic]

Well.... I don't pick up any vibes myself, but...
I was once with a young lady who did. Her face made me believe her but, when my eyes followed hers, I saw nothing. Her description of what she saw, when told to an older family member, matched exactly a lady who threw herself down the well years before. The well had been filled in and generally forgotten. The location of the sighting had once been her bedroom. True, it could have been that for some reason this young woman found out these details before, but I don't know how and I cannot imagine why. It was during her first trip to our house.
Something occurred for which I have no tangible explanation.

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

You actually didn't say all.

But just cus I believe in ghosts, I'm occult? Because I believe in the energy of spirits in the universe, I'm ferocious and fervently occult?

Oh come on, now you're just going to extremes.

How about those that ferociously and fervently deny the possibility... doesn't that make them ferociously ignorant and closed minded?

I mean... just live and let live. I believe, you don't, and that's fine. I'm not going out of my way to make you feel like a moron cus you don't. So leave us alone.

I'm not going to "leave you alone". What are you talking about? Is this your treehouse? It's a message board, I have input, you're reacting badly to it because it speaks to your feelings of the etheral, and instead of wondering about what I'm saying you're reacting as if I just ran over your puppy.

Ghost stories widely accepted as real IS a ferverntly occult position. Again, I leave fiath to the faithful, and have no hope or desire to take such a gift away, but there is a difference in the faith of Divine Providence and faith that dead Aunt Sue moved the curtain. It's entirely right and intelligent and correct to point out and suggest the 100 other causes for drapery displacement -- and you're all overreacting.

 

[Shingen]

Hi Shingen. Welcome to the Board. All threads go off on tangents. The whole point is to hear what everyone has to say, provided what they have to say is worthy.

So blow me already.

You're right DCL, the point is to hear what everyone has to say. I temporarily lost sight of that.

This sure is a nice debate though.

DCL...really, I am not here to make enemies and I really do welcome your logical remarks. So if anything I've said to you has been construed as hostile, I really do apologize.

I'm not here to make any personal attacks on others for what they believe in. I'm quite open minded and I love to hear other people's experiences and take them for what they are....their personal experiences. This kind of stuff fascinates me. Anyone can call me what they will, but that doesn't change my open-mindedness, no matter how strange and unbelievable it is.

 

[Saint Peter]

Just do not tell me there is no Santa, even if he is the one that moved Aunt Sue's curtain.

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

Hoo boy.

The entire brain accepts such impulses- how do you think CAT scans and EEG readings would be possible otherwise?

Cells send signals with salt, calcium and (I think) phosphorous creating a basic chemical reaction that causes electric signals and a chain reaction effect.-- Hello, I did take physiology in college- did you?

NONE of that is communicative, or even transmits information in a pattern that could translated into anything communincative. You're extrapolating way way too far.

as to Einstein's theory- it was one of the theories of mass being converted to energy. He believed that it was possible even for people to change into energy. But he also believes that time travel is possible. Quantum physics, ain't it fun.

Einstein did not believe that people could be converted to energy in the sense that they wuold retain corporeal ties, he meant that if you burn someone he gives off heat. And Albert Einstein did not believe in time travel.

Bad science. It's for everybody.

 

[sunstruck]

Has anyone actually won this argument on either side? I mean actually gotten anyone to change their stance on the subject? I'm thinking not.

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

Anyone can call me what they will, but that doesn't change my open-mindedness, no matter how strange and unbelievable it is.

James Randi once said that people who believe int he Supernatural are like rubber ducks -- you can shoot them full of holes and they'll still float.

Extending your open-mindedness is exactly what my initial post is about. Being angry at questioning the supernatural is what the repetetive posts were about.

I retract the "Blow me".

Purple Haze is free to point out that I went and invoked Randi's name again. My bad.