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[BotanyBoy]

Make it federal because sometimes you can't get the medical care you need in your state.

Bull shit.

Because if you don't you'll empty out the blue states and run their economies into the fuckin' ground...and you it.

We've been over this before. You're unwilling or unable to answer my "how many bullets are needed to kill the black neurosurgeon?" question. When you are man enough to answer, we can revisit.

I've discredited your dishonest premise numerous times and it's a deflection that is irrelevant to my question.

You can't name any rights or immunities white people get that POC don't.....got it.

Why must you be so dishonest Rob??

Just as an aside, going forward, should you feel the need to call me a dishonest/liar and/or question my patriotism, I am going to bring out the Gookhammer for 24 straight hours afterwards as a consequence. You should expect non-stop racial pejorative. Conversely, if you should somehow manage to avoid unpleasantness, I will refrain from swingin' the Gookhammer.

Actions have consequences....the choice is now yours.

Your slate is clean. Try and keep it that way.

By all means....break out your "gookhammer" because you can't name a single right or immunity white people have that POC don't, or explain how you manage to love the USA while openly hating and trashing everything it's about.....super progressive, very mature.

 

[wrant]

Bull shit.

Because if you don't you'll empty out the blue states and run their economies into the fuckin' ground...and you it.



I've discredited your dishonest premise numerous times and it's a deflection that is irrelevant to my question.

You can't name any rights or immunities white people get that POC don't.....got it.

Why must you be so dishonest Rob??



Yes they do, you're openly against 1A, 2A, states rights, and the right to life liberty and happiness.

You promote collectivism and authority forced equity.....you fucking HATE the USA, you're just too fucking stupid to realize it.

Enjoy waiving your racism around on the board because you failed to name a single right or immunity that's only for white people.

States rights? Are you using the excuse the south used to try to maintain slavery? Sure sounds like it. Do you call it the War of Northern Aggression too?

 

[BotanyBoy]

States rights?

Yes...it's called the 10th Amendment, in a document called the U.S. Constitution.

You should check it out some time comrade.

Are you using the excuse the south used to try to maintain slavery?

No.

Sure sounds like it.

Then you need to learn how to read because there was nothing of the sort in anything I posted.

Do you call it the War of Northern Aggression too?

No.

 

[nowisthetime]

Most Democrats see Republicans as racist and sexist. It is what it is....

https://www.axios.com/poll-democrats-and-republicans-hate-each-other-racist-ignorant-evil-99ae7afc-5a51-42be-8ee2-3959e43ce320.html

"61% of Democrats see Republicans as "racist/bigoted/sexist." 31% of Republicans say they view Democrats in the same light."


Makes sense, most Republicans voted for a racist and misogynistic troll. Sadly, Republicans never used to be that way, the Eisenhower types have for the most part, left the party.

Fundies, bigots, and greedy businessmen form the modern day GOP, for the most part.

 

[Veroe]

That's a great list of someone else's group think talking points.

Let's pic one, not at random, and talk about why you think Medicare for all is a good deal. (This is going to be a long post but stick with it please)

The first point is a question; have you EVER seen anything the government gets involved with cost less? Me neither. But that's not the driving issue here.

The burning issue with healthcare is the cost. If everyone could afford it, everyone could have health care. Notice I didn't say ACCESS to health care, I said health care. The 2 are different and the ACA only appears to provide access instead of actual coverage.

But, even putting that aside, why can't more American's afford health care? Simple answers say its too expensive, yet other countries seem to be able to get it done. So, what is it about America that isn't working?

The answer, IMO, lies in the way we think about obtaining health coverage. The industry favors groups rather than individuals, even though individuals outnumber groups. The reason for this is simple, they get more per policy from individuals and that makes it appear that they're making more money "per sale".

It's a very stupid business model. Those who can't afford your $1m widget that costs $2 to make don't buy it. And we wind up with people with no health care coverage for the same reason.

There are answers and solutions to this problem which don't require governmental intervention. Take for example that internet site GoodRX. If you print their coupon, you can get prescription drugs cheaper than the retail price. Wait, what? How the hell is that done?

GoodRX has a guy who negotiates with the pharmacies for the lower prices just like a group plan benefits manager/negotiator does. That's it. That's all it takes. Negotiation is the key to getting affordable coverage. It's what groups do.

Now, the insurance companies aren't going to roll over for just an individual so you need to be thinking about how you're going to get through the "group" doorway.

Unions offer group rates to their members. If a union can do it, why can't groups of individuals with a point of commonality also get that? In my particular circumstance, my State Bar Association should be offering group health care (they don't - no State Bar does). Were they to do so, those attorneys in solo practice could have health care at group rates. There's no restriction on this that I can see, so, again, if Unions can do it so can others. All it takes it banding together "officially" and hiring that guy to negotiate on your behalf.

So, start a group. Call it the Social Career Association of Badass Separatists or something. Get members, collect dues, and find that coverage and other "discounts" that groups get.

Or you can ask the nanny state to do that for you and live with the bureaucratic mess that inevitably results.

The rest of your list is just as easily parsed. It's nothing but bumper sticker slogans packaged from ramblings and sold to the ill informed masses. There's no thought behind it, just a cry of "Mommieeeeeee". As a person, you can do better. As an American you are required to do much better. America is the land of the free and the home of the brave. Either measure up or don't, but you aren't getting to take the rest of us down with you without a fight. Which is why we have Trump in the WH.

Thank You, HisArpy. I was beginning to think no one bothered to read my list.

And your critique made me have a good laugh.

Thanks again.

 

[Veroe]

Interesting that not a single republican posted their list.

I find that interesting as well. In my admittedly hurried review of the back pages of this thread I've only counted one. The rest of the rightwing crowd here seem too busy poking holes in the logic of our reasons to vote democrat to bother making their list for voting republican.

I like this topic I'd wish they'd engage it honestly and reply to the OP's premise.

 

[cowslinger64]

Unions offer group rates to their members. If a union can do it, why can't groups of individuals with a point of commonality also get that? In my particular circumstance, my State Bar Association should be offering group health care (they don't - no State Bar does). Were they to do so, those attorneys in solo practice could have health care at group rates. There's no restriction on this that I can see, so, again, if Unions can do it so can others. All it takes it banding together "officially" and hiring that guy to negotiate on your behalf.

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There are other links similar.. If this is wrong, please explain..

https://lawyerist.com/health-insurance-options-for-solo-attorneys/


First, solo attorneys should begin by looking at the insurance available through the American Bar Association or their local state bars. As a member of your State Bar or the American Bar Association (ABA), you qualify for low cost health, dental and long term health care protection. The ABA offers several options to its members. Options range from short-term medical to major medical and dental. Many of the options provide low or discounted rates for members, high limits and no credit checks. State Bar Associations (SBA) tend to offer similar health care options which may be better suited to solos based on the particular agreement entered into with insurance providers. For example, Texas requires membership in the State Bar of Texas as part of the yearly dues. As part of the membership, the State Bar of Texas Insurance Trust provides attorneys with advice on insurance options, assists in obtaining quotes, and guarantees eligibility. Depending on geographic location, your SBA may provide greater benefits simply because some insurance providers have a bigger presence in certain regions in the United States. These bigger insurance companies are able to provide better rates and more coverage options for the SBA.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Economic equality. I worry that the other party is dedicated to making certain that the inequality becomes an insurmountable divide no one can cross.

Seeing as we have economic equality (your dollar spends just the same as anyone else's dollar) I'm assuming you mean equity (same amount of money within a given range for everyone) and that just doesn't register for me. Most conservatives and liberals are just fine with people making an honest living going as hard as they want.

The idea that the government making sure nobody has more than anyone else will benefit anyone is the most bizzare and irrational thing I've ever seen. It's also a distinctly leftist/socialist/communist thing too.

The left has this underlying assumption that because person A has 100 million bucks and person B has 1,000 bucks then the person A has somehow wronged or owes person B simply because they have more. What the fuck???

Yes they (liberals, moderates and conservatives) are dedicated to keeping the American dream alive, freedom alive....the freedom to make a SHIT LOAD of money and be a Beezos/Gates/Zuckerberg/Oprah etc.

 

[jomar]

Originally Posted by HisArpy View Post

Unions offer group rates to their members. If a union can do it, why can't groups of individuals with a point of commonality also get that? In my particular circumstance, my State Bar Association should be offering group health care (they don't - no State Bar does). Were they to do so, those attorneys in solo practice could have health care at group rates. There's no restriction on this that I can see, so, again, if Unions can do it so can others. All it takes it banding together "officially" and hiring that guy to negotiate on your behalf.

This has actually been done for a quite some time. Don’t know how ACA affected it though since I have insurance through a company and haven’t had a need to check.

 

[Luk]

I find that interesting as well. In my admittedly hurried review of the back pages of this thread I've only counted one. The rest of the rightwing crowd here seem too busy poking holes in the logic of our reasons to vote democrat to bother making their list for voting republican.

I like this topic I'd wish they'd engage it honestly and reply to the OP's premise.

The rwcj here don't do honesty.

 

[Kantarii]

The rwcj here don't do honesty.

Democrats are even worse.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Democrats are even worse.

IKYABWAI

 

[Luk]

IKYABWAI

I'm really believing that it's another Q-####.

 

[Boxlicker101]

And I don't like anybody very much!!

 

[zipman]

The rwcj here don't do honesty.

Their leaders are setting a fine example of how to lie with impunity at every opportunity.

From the president, to his staff to congress, to the RNC it is one giant lying machine.

 

[von_Bismarck]

And apparently, the Dems have no "achomlishments."

 

[cowslinger64]

There are other links similar.. If this is wrong, please explain..

https://lawyerist.com/health-insurance-options-for-solo-attorneys/


First, solo attorneys should begin by looking at the insurance available through the American Bar Association or their local state bars. As a member of your State Bar or the American Bar Association (ABA), you qualify for low cost health, dental and long term health care protection. The ABA offers several options to its members. Options range from short-term medical to major medical and dental. Many of the options provide low or discounted rates for members, high limits and no credit checks. State Bar Associations (SBA) tend to offer similar health care options which may be better suited to solos based on the particular agreement entered into with insurance providers. For example, Texas requires membership in the State Bar of Texas as part of the yearly dues. As part of the membership, the State Bar of Texas Insurance Trust provides attorneys with advice on insurance options, assists in obtaining quotes, and guarantees eligibility. Depending on geographic location, your SBA may provide greater benefits simply because some insurance providers have a bigger presence in certain regions in the United States. These bigger insurance companies are able to provide better rates and more coverage options for the SBA.

I'm sure hisdumbass will be here shortly to explain how another one of his fuckups is actually a deflection by someone else.

 

[HisArpy]

There are other links similar.. If this is wrong, please explain..

https://lawyerist.com/health-insurance-options-for-solo-attorneys/


First, solo attorneys should begin by looking at the insurance available through the American Bar Association or their local state bars. As a member of your State Bar or the American Bar Association (ABA), you qualify for low cost health, dental and long term health care protection. The ABA offers several options to its members. Options range from short-term medical to major medical and dental. Many of the options provide low or discounted rates for members, high limits and no credit checks. State Bar Associations (SBA) tend to offer similar health care options which may be better suited to solos based on the particular agreement entered into with insurance providers. For example, Texas requires membership in the State Bar of Texas as part of the yearly dues. As part of the membership, the State Bar of Texas Insurance Trust provides attorneys with advice on insurance options, assists in obtaining quotes, and guarantees eligibility. Depending on geographic location, your SBA may provide greater benefits simply because some insurance providers have a bigger presence in certain regions in the United States. These bigger insurance companies are able to provide better rates and more coverage options for the SBA.

That'd be great, if the State Bar actually OFFERED such a plan. They don't. Instead, what they do offer is a link to "sponsored" insurers who offer a token discount.

As an example; the average "silver" level insurance through an insurer like Blue Cross would have, say, $850/month premiums. With the discount through the State Bar those premiums are "reduced" to $825. Then, 2 years down the road, they discontinue the "discount" and your premiums jump to $925.

BTDT. Know this for a hard, real world, fact.

OTOH, "group rates" for "entire family coverage" insurance through a large employer can be as low as $200 for the same exact plan through the same exact insurer.

BTDT. Know this for a hard, real world, fact.

The reason that most associations/groups don't offer health plans is that they have to hire a "negotiator". That's seriously expensive and money that has to be paid up front with no guarantee that they'll actually get group rates. So the association/group does what every other association/group does, takes the chickenshit way out and gets group coverage only for direct organization employees and lets everyone else swing in the breeze.

You want to change the way people get coverage? Change THAT to make it easier for people to form associations and gain those coverage rates.

 

[HisArpy]

I'm sure hisdumbass will be here shortly to explain how another one of his fuckups is actually a deflection by someone else.

dudly, you're taking the GB way too personal.

 

[HisArpy]

Their leaders are setting a fine example of how to lie with impunity at every opportunity.

From the president, to his staff to congress, to the RNC it is one giant lying machine.

And thus, you imply by omission that no one from the other side lies...

 

[zipman]

And thus, you imply by omission that no one from the other side lies...

LOL, is this what you are resorting to? Seriously?

What we are witnessing is pretty much an unprecedented level of deception from the President, his staff and republican leaders.


If I wanted to say that no democratic leaders ever lie I would have said that. It's such a ridiculous position you should be embarrassed to even suggest it.

But again, the RWCJ has to deflect or avoid any legitimate criticism.


For a supposed lawyer, you really aren't very good at debate.

 

[HisArpy]

LOL, is this what you are resorting to? Seriously?

What we are witnessing is pretty much an unprecedented level of deception from the President, his staff and republican leaders.


If I wanted to say that no democratic leaders ever lie I would have said that. It's such a ridiculous position you should be embarrassed to even suggest it.

But again, the RWCJ has to deflect or avoid any legitimate criticism.


For a supposed lawyer, you really aren't very good at debate.

Whether the level of deception is "unprecedented" or not isn't the issue.

The issue, when you post such as you did, is the omission and thus inference that others do not do similar.

AD Hom deflection from that very specific point doesn't change anything. More importantly, when you state, as you did here, that "If I wanted to say that no democratic leaders ever lie I would have said that" you ADMIT that you intentionally left out critical information in order to make your point so as to lead the reader to a conclusion which was false.

Most people refer to those who do such things as liars.

 

[jp55665566]

It's not so great to be a staunch political party partisan. Dems and Reps have both royally f*d Americans is the azz, in recent memory. Both parties have been running a "Good Cop/ Bad Cop" routine on the citizens for decades. Don't vote for ambitious, career politicians. The People's business is best conducted away from "politics". Career politicians become mired in a quicksand of political considerations affecting their "career", and diminishing their effectiveness in conducting the Nation's affairs.

One reason Trump is hated by the career political Establishment is BECAUSE he's not a career politician. He is outside the circle of trust/corruption.

 

[Rightguide]

It's not so great to be a staunch political party partisan. Dems and Reps have both royally f*d Americans is the azz, in recent memory. Both parties have been running a "Good Cop/ Bad Cop" routine on the citizens for decades. Don't vote for ambitious, career politicians. The People's business is best conducted away from "politics". Career politicians become mired in a quicksand of political considerations affecting their "career", and diminishing their effectiveness in conducting the Nation's affairs.

One reason Trump is hated by the career political Establishment is BECAUSE he's not a career politician. He is outside the circle of trust/corruption.

Yes he's actually going to act in the best interests of the private sector and not the administrative state just as the founders envisioned.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Time To Trigger Timmeh!

And thus, you imply by omission that no one from the other side lies...

Barrister Timmeh J Shithawk, Esq takes "Whaddaboutism" to a whole new level.

"Trump lied about XYZ today"

"Yeah, well you didn't mention that <random Trump opponent> lied about <random situation> back in <random year> so your argument is invalid and I win! I WIN!"