Degrading or hot?

[Inthelastrow]

I think it's up to the woman, and you probably need to know her desires. Most woman I've been with don't like forced at all, and let me know it if I even touched her head softly. One loved having her hair pulled and face fucked. having said that, when I go down on a woman, I love it when she takes control, grabs my hair and begins to face fuck me, or at least guide me and hold me there. It's an individual decision that must be respected.

 

[P0peye]

As long as it's consensual, I have no objection to rough sex of this sort. I developed my ability to deep throat large cocks by having my best friend Larry force his thick cock down my throat. I asked him to do this to me after we both watched it being done in a porn film. I tried to force his cock down my throat by myself, but I needed the additional push he was able to provide in order to force his cock to actually go beyond the constriction at the back of my mouth and fully enter my throat. The girl in question seemed to have no problem completely swallowing her partner's very big cock and it looked very hot! She must have had a lot of practice! I quickly grew to love the sensation of having and keeping a thick cock deeply embedded all the way down my throat for as long as possible before I have to come up for air. Being throat fucked like this has always been and still is my most favorite sex act.

 

[anniebaby10]

A lot of porno blowjob scenes show a woman sucking a man’s dick, and he takes his hand on her head and forces her to choke on his cock. Literally he forces his dick down her throat and she makes choking sounds. I find that degrading and I won’t watch those scenes. It seems to be happening more and more in the last year or two. Do women like having that done to them?

Also I love cumshots, but on a lot of cumshots the guy cums on the girl’s face, and she tries to avoid it. It’s one thing if the girl likes it, but on so many facial scenes the girl is just wishing it to be over when the guy is splooging in her eye and up her nose. It’s not hot for me, but some people like that, I guess. Facials are only hot when the woman likes them IMO.

Lastly, sometimes you will see guys with huge cocks penetrating women who don’t seem to like it. They’re whining, not moaning. Their faces are pained, not happy. It looks painful and uncomfortable for these girls. They have their hand on the guy, trying to keep him away. Is that hot? The best big cock scenes are the ones where the woman is obviously into it, and can accommodate his huge tool.

Maybe all this stuff just makes me uber vanilla. Is it too weird to think that women should like whatever guys are doing to them?

I agree with you. I never want my head held while I suck my husbands cock and don't always want a load on my face. He won't do it unless I ask him too. I like it on my tits a lot and is preferred to a facial.

 

[Greylag]

To me that’s how it should be. The woman's preference should dictate the outcome….simple!

 

[Escierto]

I couldn't agree more. If a girl or a guy can and wants to deep throat a big cock, that's great. But having one forced down your throat is just too violent. And I've never understood the cum on face thing, but I guess some people like it.

I have been in the position of kneeling before my girlfriend while she stroked her cock knowing that she was going to shoot her cum all over my face. The anticipation. The submission.

There is definitely some degradation and humiliation to it. Especially after she has pumped her cock like a hose and sprayed her jism all over me. Then she looks down and smiles admiring her work and my acceptance of her dominance over me. I love her.

 

[LMWM321]

As long as it's consensual, I have no objection to rough sex of this sort.

Not to put too fine a point on it, but for me to enjoy a porn scene it needs to appear to be both consensual AND be mutually-enjoyed.

It's conceivable a porn actress would AGREE to a scene where she's subjected to this sort of aggression - which would make it consensual. ..But it's awfully hard to imagine she would actually ENJOY being held down against her will; ignoring the gag-reflex evolution gave us to prevent us from choking to death.

To me, those scenes looks about as enjoyable for the woman as being aggressively dunked and held underwater until blacking out.

 

[P0peye]

Not to put too fine a point on it, but for me to enjoy a porn scene it needs to appear to be both consensual AND be mutually-enjoyed.

It's conceivable a porn actress would AGREE to a scene where she's subjected to this sort of aggression - which would make it consensual. ..But it's awfully hard to imagine she would actually ENJOY being held down against her will; ignoring the gag-reflex evolution gave us to prevent us from choking to death.

To me, those scenes looks about as enjoyable for the woman as being aggressively dunked and held underwater until blacking out.

Speaking only for myself, I happen to enjoy having my limits "pushed". We are socially conditioned to narrowly define the acceptable definition of enjoyment, but in a sexual context, normally negative emotions such as humiliation, embarrassment and degradation can become highly arousing. While there's no denying there are limits that should not be exceeded, a certain degree of imposition of control can be exciting and enjoyable. I have cultivated my ability to withstand rough treatment and have generally conquered my gag reflex, (which wasn't really very strong to begin with) making it possible for men to fuck my throat quite aggressively for extended periods of time and in most cases I find the experience extremely pleasurable. I do enjoy the sensation of having a cock forced deep into my throat and it excites me to surrender control.

 

[LMWM321]

I happen to enjoy having my limits "pushed"

That's fine, of course. Wring all the joy you can from your life

But the OP question wasn't about what people do in the privacy of their own home where consent is known, but rather what we see in Porn. ..And we have no way of really knowing whether a woman is truly enjoying having someone spit in her face, being choked or ejaculated on. To me, it's about what is plausible. Is it plausible a woman would enjoy spit in her mouth, or being choked? ..No, it's not. How about being ejaculated on? ..Sure, it's plausible she's enjoying that, unless the look on her face says otherwise. ..Then that's a huge turn-off too.

Porn is messy. ..There's no way of knowing with certainty if what you're looking at is two people making $$ having kinky, dirty fun or if you're watching someone who is financially (or even physically!) captive being ritually victimized.

I wish it were easier. Until it is, I ask myself "To a reasonable observer, does the scene appear to be BOTH consensual AND mutually enjoyed?" ..If the answer is no, I stop watching and move on.

 

[DirkCamacho]

Speaking only for myself, I happen to enjoy having my limits "pushed". We are socially conditioned to narrowly define the acceptable definition of enjoyment, but in a sexual context, normally undesirable emotions such as humiliation, embarrassment and degradation can be highly arousing. While there's no denying there are limits that should not be exceeded, a certain degree of imposition of control can be exciting and enjoyable. I have cultivated my ability to withstand rough treatment and have generally conquered my gag reflex, allowing men to fuck my throat quite aggressively and in most cases I find the experience quite pleasurable.

Thank you for speaking up. Maybe one day I might give myself permission to be aroused by humiliation, embarrassment, and degradation.

 

[Kenrychard]

My opinion: Porn is a for profit business, and the largest consumer of the product is men who don't have partners. Porn that displays women as wanton or easily used is appealing to men who have found women too choosy and uptight. Men that are REALLY upset to the point of misogyny get a real kick out of degradation of women. There has been a great trend over the last several years to produce better quality porn with more appealing portrayals, but that wont replace the trash porn, just add to the options. Trashy woman demeaning porn is going to lead the market as long as it has a ready audience of disenchanted men.

 

[lil_jenni]

My opinion: Porn is a for profit business, and the largest consumer of the product is men who don't have partners. Porn that displays women as wanton or easily used is appealing to men who have found women too choosy and uptight. Men that are REALLY upset to the point of misogyny get a real kick out of degradation of women. There has been a great trend over the last several years to produce better quality porn with more appealing portrayals, but that wont replace the trash porn, just add to the options. Trashy woman demeaning porn is going to lead the market as long as it has a ready audience of disenchanted men.

To offer a counterpoint, the audience for "trashy" porn is not all men. While it's not most, or maybe even a significant number, there are more women than you probably think that like the type of porn being discussed here. I've already written that sometimes I do, depending on the variety. And I know others who do as well. That is part of the discussion that guys often leave out, because the "trashy" porn is not the stereotypical porn that women are thought to enjoy. But there is something raw and primal in watching something rough and degrading and wanting to experience it all while wondering if you could really take it... at least for me. And since I've really taken some rough, degrading stuff in my life, some because I wanted to and some because I had to, it can take really bad stuff to give me that vicarious thrill... So... Yeah...

 

[P0peye]

To offer a counterpoint, the audience for "trashy" porn is not all men. While it's not most, or maybe even a significant number, there are more women than you probably think that like the type of porn being discussed here. I've already written that sometimes I do, depending on the variety. And I know others who do as well. That is part of the discussion that guys often leave out, because the "trashy" porn is not the stereotypical porn that women are thought to enjoy. But there is something raw and primal in watching something rough and degrading and wanting to experience it all while wondering if you could really take it... at least for me. And since I've really taken some rough, degrading stuff in my life, some because I wanted to and some because I had to, it can take really bad stuff to give me that vicarious thrill... So... Yeah...

Bravo Jenni! I sense a kindred spirit! Not being an anthropologist, my opinions are merely conjecture, but I can imagine that during the primitive culture we evolved from, most couplings were tantamount to rape, and the women had little choice in the matter and subsequently learned to expect and hopefully, even enjoy the experience. The type of oral sex that gratifies me the most, I'd describe as a form of controlled, oral rape. I like to feel as if I'm being "made" to suck cock. Just as it's difficult, if not impossible to tickle one's self, certain sex acts require a certain degree of imposition from outside oneself, and relinquishment of control in order to experience fully. I don't promote or sanction such behavior in a non consensual situation, but only as an activity to which both partners are in agreement.

 

[lil_jenni]

The type of oral sex that gratifies me the most, I'd describe as a form of controlled, oral rape. Just as it's difficult, if not impossible to tickle one's self, certain sex acts require a certain degree of imposition and surrender of control in order to experience fully. I don't promote or sanction such behavior in a non consensual situation, but rather as an activity to which both part agree.

I am there with you on the oral. It's not always what I want to do, but when I'm in the mood, being "forced" and "used" orally will get me going like nothing else. But it's not just the oral. In the right mood, I crave what we used to call 'play rape', then 'forced-sex play,' and now 'consensual non-consent', because I want to be helpless and dominated and demeaned sometimes... and yes, even hurt to an extent. So, in that mood, I find porn that reflects what I want. And to make it perfectly clear why I find it, it helps me make myself climax. The porn is a kickstarter, really, and then my own imagination or remembrances kick in. But it helps me focus so I can get my mind going.

 

[dkak001]

Do women like having that done to them?

I tend to err on the cautious and gentile side of things. But, yes some women do like it rough.

One partner preferred rough, head holding, down the throat oral. But only at the moment she was close to cumming using a vibe during the blowjob. Before that moment, head holding and being gentile but forceful was something she preferred. But at climax, she wanted in all the way in.

 

[PhiloDaddy]

I know, I'm weird... and contradictory. But weird is fun and the most interesting things in life come from contradictions.

Absolutely. I think we're talking about the frisson of ideas... and bodies!

 

[MorlockIam]

I saw a clip from Desperate Amateurs where the woman actually says she doesn't like her head being held/forced and the guy kept doing it anyway. It is messed up as most of the time the woman is sucking away quite enthusiastically anyway so why try and direct her?

 

[darkride]

Yeah, that is weird. Women and men should communicate about what they like, and respect when their partner says they don't like something.

Porn is an act. Those women you see crying and choking are doing it voluntarily. The tears might be involuntary (have you ever really choked on a dick?) but the rest of the act, whether they're looking like they like it or they don't, either way, it's all for the camera.Some directors will tell them to look like they like it. Some will tell them to look like they don't. From what you see on the screen, you can't draw any conclusions at all regarding whether they like it or not.

Absolutely this. Have watched various doco's "behind the scenes" of the porn industry, and "ultimately" the women are doing what they are being paid to do, after having been told what is wanted for the money being offered. I am not trying to sound demeaning in that. Could some of the material "out there" be "real" - also these days very possible with the ability to make your own high quality porno with a cell phone, including against the "actors'" will... Plenty of sites are very lax at taking down content when asked, especially if they are being ran by assholes such as the "show us your cheating ex" or whatever, when the site owner has a personal interest, for example.

The porn makers will tell you that the reason there's so much more anal, or more forced deep throat, etc etc being made now than before - is because that's what is being demanded by the viewers. Which becomes a chicken / egg scenario. Who knows...

 

[LMWM321]

not to be a buzzkill... but when I look at a porn clip I can't help but ask myself... "could I justify my interest in this clip to my wife?" She knows I look at porn and is cool with it, but I'm pretty sure she'd be upset if I took an interest in anything that appears non-consensual or not mutually-enjoyed.

Telling her "well, the actress is getting paid to do it so she must be okay with it." wouldn't help. ..She'd be pretty disappointed in me. ..I wouldn't want that.

 

[P0peye]

I am there with you on the oral. It's not always what I want to do, but when I'm in the mood, being "forced" and "used" orally will get me going like nothing else. But it's not just the oral. In the right mood, I crave what we used to call 'play rape', then 'forced-sex play,' and now 'consensual non-consent', because I want to be helpless and dominated and demeaned sometimes... and yes, even hurt to an extent. So, in that mood, I find porn that reflects what I want. And to make it perfectly clear why I find it, it helps me make myself climax. The porn is a kickstarter, really, and then my own imagination or remembrances kick in. But it helps me focus so I can get my mind going.

I'm often motivated to reflect on what sex might have been like in a primitive state, before we formed societies. I'm given to understand that we have existed for millennia as Homo Sapiens, pretty much the same as we are today, for much longer than our current, civilized state, a minuscule blip in time. Back then, you took what you wanted, if you were strong enough. There was no such thing as right or wrong. And even in a tribal state, there were Alphas and betas. A species mandates propagation to remain extant, but the individual merely needs to feel the urge to copulate. To succeed, the act requires insemination and impregnation necessitating that the male reach orgasm, the female orgasm being optional. The male orgasm was the objective of both participants, leaving a lot of frustrated females unless his orgasm was their goal also.
Performing receptive oral sex is my preferred, default sexual orientation, and as a Cocksucker, my function is to facilitate the man whose cock I'm sucking to orgasm and ejaculate into my mouth or into my throat, because in my case, I consider my throat to be the functional equivalent of a woman's vagina, and my objective is to be inseminated as far down my throat/cunt as possible to ensure impregnation. I have actually reached orgasm while having this done to me!
To quote Hamlet: "There are more things in Heaven and Earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy". Or, to put it otherwise, "Chacun a son gout"

 

[Escierto]

I'm often motivated to reflect on what sex might have been like in a primitive state, before we formed societies. I'm given to understand that we have existed for millennia as Homo Sapiens, pretty much the same as we are today, for much longer than our current, civilized state, a minuscule blip in time. Back then, you took what you wanted, if you were strong enough. There was no such thing as right or wrong. And even in a tribal state, there were Alphas and betas. A species mandates propagation to remain extant, but the individual merely needs to feel the urge to copulate. To succeed, the act requires insemination and impregnation necessitating that the male reach orgasm, the female orgasm being optional. The male orgasm was the objective of both participants, leaving a lot of frustrated females unless his orgasm was their goal also.
Performing receptive oral sex is my preferred, default sexual orientation, and as a Cocksucker, my function is to facilitate the man whose cock I'm sucking to orgasm and ejaculate into my mouth (or throat, as in my case). Since I consider my throat to be the functional equivalent of the female vagina, my purpose is to be inseminated as far down my throat/cunt as possible to ensure impregnation. I have actually had an orgasm while having this done to me!
To quote Hamlet: There are more things in Heaven and Earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

You don't take a cock in your ass?

 

[markchamberlain]

To me it is a total boner-wilting turnoff if the woman looks uncomfortable. I understand some women like to explore outside of their comfort zone, but still I can't do it. Fortunately for them, other guys can.

 

[P0peye]

You don't take a cock in your ass?

This really isn't my thing, although I have been "pegged' a number of times by my wife using an extremely large strap on dildo purely to experience the dynamic of role reversal.

 

[Astrotrain]

Degrading or hot? Can't it be both?

 

[AnnaKahn]

Absolutely, I'm not sure if it's done because there are people who find it more arousing when it looks like there's pushback from the woman? It does turn me off sometimes. I love it when the woman is into it and even verbally articulates it.

 

[whatahoot]

I've always enjoyed rough sex and some degradation to an extent, but I will admit, most of that comes from me being influenced by the porn that I came across when I was younger. At the time, I thought that is what sex was and it just became ingrained into what I enjoy to this day. And because my parents demonized sex, I didn't have anyone to tell me otherwise. Although I genuinely enjoy the type of sex that I've always had, I think it would be a great shift in porn if they actually depicted a bit more realism in it and not have it be just instances where women are being fully dominated.