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Deficit shrinks by $1 trillion in Obama era

BotanyBoy said:
You think the Ayatollah or Iranian President is rational?
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They are rational within the rules of their irrational realm. I recall during the Bush wars how Saddam Hussein was constantly labeled 'crazy' by Western media. He was certainly psychopathic -- but also rational enough to maintain tight control for decades. In his brutal realm, brutality was rational. (A 'nice' dictator would not survive long.)

In any insane fundamentalist religious realm (like Iran or Kansas or Scientology) insane beliefs are rational. Ayatollahs thrive in their neverland and will until the next Shaw is installed by some foreign power(s) -- as the last Shahs were. Follow the insane rules and you *might* survive awhile.
 
Hypoxia said:
They are rational within the rules of their irrational realm. I recall during the Bush wars how Saddam Hussein was constantly labeled 'crazy' by Western media. He was certainly psychopathic -- but also rational enough to maintain tight control for decades. In his brutal realm, brutality was rational. (A 'nice' dictator would not survive long.)

In any insane fundamentalist religious realm (like Iran or Kansas or Scientology) insane beliefs are rational. Ayatollahs thrive in their neverland and will until the next Shaw is installed by some foreign power(s) -- as the last Shahs were. Follow the insane rules and you *might* survive awhile.
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Rhetorical question Hypoxia....
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Take a lap :cool:
 
BotanyBoy said:
You think the Ayatollah or Iranian President is rational?

Seriously? :confused:



You have more faith in religious whack jobs than I do.
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Yeah I believe the Iranian President is sufficiently rational not to do anything that would get his country utterly annihilated. I completely believe that. I'm less certain about the Ayatollah.

I don't believe they are really anywhere near close to getting nukes. They've been six months away from acquiring a nuke if we (or Israel) doesn't attack or convince them to stop for how fucking long now? So one of the following has to be true.

1. Mossul and the CIA are correct. Iran isn't even really working on the bomb they are just puffing up.

2. Our information is SO flawed to the point of it being dangerously inaccurate.

3. "6 months" is essentially how long it would take them to put all the pieces together and they've had all the pieces since for fucking ever and are smart enough not to give us an excuse to attack.

I kinda doubt it's number 3. I waiver between one and two.

When it comes to religion, I don't trust religious whackjobs. I'm simply not convinced that anybody who is at the top of a foodchain is a genuine religious nutter. Just like I don't think any of the top brass in the Republican party believe in Trickle Down. They aren't dumb, they simply know what keeps the rabble in line.

I'm not advocating giving them the bomb, or even letting them have it without doing what we can to stop them. I'm highly uncertain that going to war to prevent them from getting it would be in our best long term interests. I'm also ultimately convinced that rational self interest will keep them inline.
 
someoneyouknow said:
So when you can't pay your bills you keep spending?

As a side note, when anyone says they want to cut the size of government it's only for programs they don't agree with. When it comes to cutting THEIR government program, them's fightin words.
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thats the theory....
 
some day, I hope that retards like yourself are forced to find a job




MrBates2 said:
In the not-too-distant past, talk in the political world of the U.S. budget deficit was all the rage. As the Tea Party “movement” took shape, conservatives quite literally took to the streets to express their fear that President Obama and Democrats were failing to address the “out of control” deficit.

Congressional Republicans agreed. As recently as 2013, Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) was asked about the radicalism of his political agenda and he responded, “[W]hat I would say is extreme is a trillion-dollar deficit every year.” Around the same time, then-House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.) argued that Congress should be “focused on trying to deal with the ultimate problem, which is this growing deficit.”

The Republican rhetoric was ridiculously wrong. We don’t have a trillion-dollar deficit; the deficit isn’t the ultimate problem; and it’s not growing.
Strong growth in individual tax collection drove the U.S. budget deficit to a fresh Obama-era low in fiscal 2015, the Treasury Department said Thursday.

For the fiscal year that ended Sept. 30 the shortfall was $439 billion, a decrease of 9%, or $44 billion, from last year. The deficit is the smallest of Barack Obama’s presidency and the lowest since 2007 in both dollar terms and as a percentage of gross domestic product.
Keep in mind, in the Obama era, the deficit has shrunk by $1 trillion. That’s “trillion,” with a “t.” As a percentage of the economy, the deficit is now down to just 2.5%, which is below the average of the past half-century, and down from 9.8% when the president took office.

Revisiting our coverage from several months ago, I looked for press releases from the “Obama is turning us into Greece!” crowd, eager to see them celebrate President Obama’s striking record on deficit reduction, but so far, nothing has turned up. Maybe they’re busy.

And in practical terms, that’s a shame. The vast majority of Americans are absolutely certain – thanks to deceptive Republican rhetoric and unfortunate news coverage – that the deficit has soared in the Obama era. Late last year, a Bloomberg Politics Poll found that 73% of the public believes the deficit has gotten bigger over the last six years.

The year before, the same pollster found that only 6% of Americans realized the deficit was shrinking. It helps explain why the president hasn’t gotten any credit for deficit reduction, which seems like the sort of development Tea Partiers and the Beltway’s Very Serious People should consider an extraordinary accomplishment.

As we talked about last year, it’s tempting to conclude that the public’s confusion doesn’t matter. In the Clinton era, the deficit disappeared entirely, and Americans had no idea.

But there’s another side to this. Whether or not Americans know and/or understand the basics of the fiscal argument may not have a practical impact on the debate itself, but the fact remains that voters are ultimately responsible for electing policymakers. If Americans believe, incorrectly, that the deficit is getting bigger, these same voters may be inclined to vote for candidates who’ll slash public investments and undermine social-insurance programs – which would have real-world consequences.

Postscript: To reiterate a point that bears repeating, I don’t necessarily consider this sharp reduction in the deficit to be good news. If it were up to me, federal officials would be borrowing more, not less, taking advantage of low interest rates, investing heavily in infrastructure and economic development, creating millions of jobs, and leaving deficit reduction for another day.

That said, if we’re going to have a fiscal debate, it should at least be rooted in reality, not silly misconceptions. And the reality is, we’re witnessing deficit reduction at a truly remarkable clip. Every conservative complaint about fiscal recklessness and irresponsibility in the Obama era is quantifiably ridiculous.

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http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/deficit-shrinks-1-trillion-obama-era
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what you fucking retards fail to realize is that government assholes generate shit.


what this proves is that RED states feel back for your sorry ass and we support you ... we feed you and put a roof over your mothers head. what we need to do is make you into soylent green chips and feed for those on welfare
 
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