December 7, 1941

[FGB]

Really fucked some shit up.

I was born eleven years after WW II was over. Well, at least for some people.

The after effects stayed with many Veterans all the rest of their lives.

In the middle eighties I worked with a man that hated the "JAPS" as he called them and made no bones about it.

He had to take medicine for the damage that was not fixable that twenty seven machine gun bullets did to his stomach.

It was not uncommon when I was a kid to see people with one leg or arm or parts of their body missing that was "Lost in the war." Sometimes part of their minds didn't work like they should after they came home. or rather their bodies and most of their minds came back but they left the best parts of themselves on some island in the Pacific.

Almost all volunteered and almost all would have done it again if needed.

Almost all of them are dead now and I will tell you I am a better person for having known them.

I wonder. If we as a nation was called to a sterner test again ...would we fail?

Would we answer the call?


To all veterans of every war...Declared or not.

Thank You!

 

[Fart_knocker]

Thanks for sharing, Boomer.

 

[FGB]

Thanks for sharing, Boomer.

At least you are not late!

 

[RoryN]

In the middle eighties I worked with a man that hated the "JAPS" as he called them and made no bones about it.

This man you speak of risked his life for his country, yet the first trait you highlight about him is that he was racist.

Because that's the trait you admire the most.

 

[Rightguide]

This man you speak of risked his life for his country, yet the first trait you highlight about him is that he was racist.

Because that's the trait you admire the most.

Your paper of record referred to them as such as well, as did most of America. Google the headlines:

https://i.imgur.com/lgnBiyt.jpg

 

[Fart_knocker]

Maybe if they weren't sleeping and being lazy americans, they would still be alive today?

 

[RoryN]

Your paper of record referred to them as such as well

And?.

 

[FGB]

This man you speak of risked his life for his country, yet the first trait you highlight about him is that he was racist.

Because that's the trait you admire the most.

Actually I didn't like the man very much.

He was a Scab.

Hey it takes all kinds and everyone has a flaw or two.

 

[KeithD]

This man you speak of risked his life for his country, yet the first trait you highlight about him is that he was racist.

Because that's the trait you admire the most.

That's sort of telling, isn't it?

 

[FGB]

That's sort of telling, isn't it?

It tells me that he hated Japanese more than a little perhaps, for him with reason.

 

[RoryN]

Actually I didn't like the man very much.

But you were okay with his racism.

It tells me that he hated Japanese more than a little perhaps, for him with reason.

There we go.

 

[RobDownSouth]

This man you speak of risked his life for his country, yet the first trait you highlight about him is that he was racist.

Because that's the trait you admire the most.

Hate to excuse anything "because it was the times", but it was the times.

I knew two old men in my neighborhood growing up who had a lifelong loathing of "japs" and "krauts" (to the point where neither would allow japanese or german made cars to park in their driveways). Vietnam vets like John McCain and Vetteman came back from Vietnam hating "gooks", and more recently BotanyBoy came back from the Middle East hating Americans.

La plus ca change.....

 

[KeithD]

It tells me that he hated Japanese more than a little perhaps, for him with reason.

And, as already has been noted, little racist you went right to that aspect. Your thread is you trying to wrap yourself in a flag you admit you haven't earned.

 

[FGB]

Well.

We are not running short of wanna be trolls around here!

Note.

I am not the one that goes around daily talking about racist...

Hurt dog hollers.

 

[KeithD]

Well.

We are not running short of wanna be trolls around here!

Yep, one started the thread.

 

[RoryN]

Hate to excuse anything "because it was the times", but it was the times.

I knew two old men in my neighborhood growing up who had a lifelong loathing of "japs" and "krauts" (to the point where neither would allow japanese or german made cars to park in their driveways). Vietnam vets like John McCain and Vetteman came back from Vietnam hating "gooks", and more recently BotanyBoy came back from the Middle East hating Americans.

Yes. But all racism can be argued as being "conditional" in one manner or another.

I grew up knowing war vets who faced the same conditions, and never used those terms, nor held the sentiments behind them. So, that's where I set my bar.

 

[Rightguide]

That's sort of telling, isn't it?

It tells us all about how Rory and people like you fail to see history in its own context. How you apply standards of today's morality to the past that didn't exist at the time and then pass judgment to fit your various narratives and condemnations of historical events.

 

[FGB]

Yes. But all racism can be argued as being "conditional" in one manner or another.

I grew up knowing war vets who faced the same conditions, and never used those terms, nor held the sentiments behind them. So, that's where I set my bar.

My dad was strafed and bombed a few time by the Germans in England and one of his best friends after the war was damned sure German. He didn't seem to hold any animosity toward them.The American version of his name was "Brown" had a medium thick accent.

I never looked but I would not have been surprised to find a hooded robe in his closet!

 

[oggbashan]

One of my father's friends had been a Royal Marine commando who was captured during a raid on Japanese-occupied Singapore. He was sent, with the ten Marines captured with him to work on the death railway. He was the only one who survived until the Japanese surrendered.

When Australian troops arrived to liberate them, he grabbed a sword from one of the Japanese NCOs that had personally killed five of his fellow Marines, and decapitated him.

He was court-martialled but found not guilty by reason of temporary insanity.

In later life he worked for a Japanese bank. As he put it - 'I didn't hate Japanese people. just their wartime government and military. My job, during the war was to kill as many as I could - and I did. I don't regret a single one but current Japanese people weren't part of their war organisation - just people like me.'

Before capture he had personally been responsible for killing more than fifty Japanese troops (plus a decapitated one after the war had ended). He was very lucky to survive being captured instead of being executed on the spot.

 

[RobDownSouth]

I think we can all agree that "War Is Heck".

"War Is Heck" © 2019 Downsouth Linguistics, inc. World rights reserved. Use of this phrase was not intended to upset fainting couch afficionados.

 

[Comshaw]

Hate to excuse anything "because it was the times", but it was the times.

I knew two old men in my neighborhood growing up who had a lifelong loathing of "japs" and "krauts" (to the point where neither would allow japanese or german made cars to park in their driveways). Vietnam vets like John McCain and Vetteman came back from Vietnam hating "gooks", and more recently BotanyBoy came back from the Middle East hating Americans.

La plus ca change.....

I normally don't see RoryN's posts and see them only when he's been quoted, because I have him on ignore.

It isn't a matter of being racist, it's a matter of people of a certain ethnicity trying to kill your ass by any means necessary. I can guarantee you that some Japanese soldiers that survived the war felt the same about our troops. Why? Simple for those who have done it, it's a lot easier and more mentally insulating if you hate the people who you're trying to kill before they kill you. It's always been that way in war. As a soldier, to keep your mental stability you have to dehumanize that person your going to kill. You can't afford to sympathize with your enemy if you're going to have to blow his face off.

My sister's father in law was captured on Corregador and survived 3 years in a Japanese prisoner of war camp. He hated Japanese people. It wasn't racism, it was hate for people that did what they did to him over those three years. As I said, only those who have been there will understand the reasons and dynamics. Those who have lead a safe insular life can speculate and imagine, but don't really have a clue.

Comshaw

 

[oggbashan]

One of my father's Australian colleagues had volunteered for WW1, the last of four brothers. His three brothers were killed at Gallipoli and on the Western Front but he survived both.

In the 1930s he sponsored both a Turkish and a German veteran to join the Returned Servicemen's League as Australian citizens.

During WW2 he was a civilian officer in the supply chain in New Guinea. He accompanied a mule train up the Kokoda Trail to see for himself the difficulties of supplying the front line troops. The mule train was attacked by a flanking movement of Japanese who killed many of the escorting Australian Troops. He grabbed a Bren Gun and held off the Japanese until more troops arrived. He had killed dozens of Japanese. But he was a non-combatant civilian.

The Australian authorities didn't know whether to give him a medal or a court-martial. He claimed he was in uniform because he was wearing his Australian slouch hat from WW1 despite having been discharged from the Army Reserves in 1922. The Australian authorities did neither but the troops bought him several beers.

 

[heathergives]

Thanks for sharing, Boomer.

luk


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