Debunking 6 common Isreali Myths

[miles]

Go to bed miles...It's way past your bedtime....

Your posts are becoming childish again.

ppman

God, no. I learn so much reading your posts.

 

[Ishmael]

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And how would you rate Sharon's method of dealing with it. Or America's in Afghanistan.

Fine by me. When rats infest your house, you exterminate them, at the source.

If you deal with terrorism harshly does that make you uncivilised?

No. See my previous post.

Bearing in mind that one reason for any Government's existence is to protect it's citizens. That doesn't mean lead them into war but to find a way to peace.

It does not mean that the way to peace is through capitulation. When left without an alternative, a mouse will turn and fight.

Sources! Sources! Give me your sources...

ppman

Fuck you! I'm the source on all of the above.

Ishmael

 

[p_p_man]

God, no. I learn so much reading your posts.

I've changed my opinion of you. Your not a little Leprachaun at all, you're more like a little rubber ball.

You keep bouncing around all over the place...

ppman

 

[miles]

peepee

Blimey. Some of yer mates haven't exactly taken a shine to you, ole boy.

Rather nasty perceptions, I'd say.

 

[p_p_man]

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It does not mean that the way to peace is through capitulation. When left without an alternative, a mouse will turn and fight.

Even by the wildest stretch of imagination you can't convince me that Israel has no alternative...



Fuck you! I'm the source on all of the above.

Not good enough. I had suspected it anyway.

No. Sources, I want sources...

And it's no good trying to ingratiate yourself by smiling at me...

Ishmael

 

[Ishmael]

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Why ppman, I have no delusions of trying to convince you of anything. You are a superfluous foil to my true goals. A role you play well I might add.

As far as ingratiating myself? Please, don't break your arm patting yourself on the back.

As far as the sources go, pray tell. Since when does anyone have to source their own opinion and thoughts. Or are you one of those that, having none of your own, rely on the musings of others?

Ishmael

 

[bored1]

Hey p_pman your boy is out of his "compound" for a few days and what happens? Homicide bombings start up again. I bet you will tell us the Jews shootin pool had in coming. Lets give General Arafat one more chance.

 

[p_p_man]

Hey p_pman your boy is out of his "compound" for a few days and what happens? Homicide bombings start up again. I bet you will tell us the Jews shootin pool had in coming. Lets give General Arafat one more chance.

What? You didn't expect this? You rate it important enough for a post? Well that's your business I suppose but there's something slightly sickening about crowing over the deaths of people because it proves a personal point.

No matter what stand you take in this debate we all saw it coming.

And please get your facts right if you can...

I do not support Arafat or Sharon.

It's usually the young and immature who make assumptions. Because I want to see justice for the Palestinians, you automatically assume I'm pro their leaders. As you're one of those who thinks their age is something shameful I can't tell from your profile exactly how old you are.

So I'll assume you're young and immature...

ppman

 

[bored1]

What? You didn't expect this? You rate it important enough for a post? Well that's your business I suppose but there's something slightly sickening about crowing over the deaths of people because it proves a personal point.

No matter what stand you take in this debate we all saw it coming.

And please get your facts right if you can...

I do not support Arafat or Sharon.

It's usually the young and immature who make assumptions. Because I want to see justice for the Palestinians, you automatically assume I'm pro their leaders. As you're one of those who thinks their age is something shameful I can't tell from your profile exactly how old you are.

So I'll assume you're young and immature...

ppman

Im not crowing over anything, I believe that I posted something similar awhile back saying this would happen. Im old enough to remember duck and cover drills from elementry school and old enough to remember the 67 war the 73 war and all the terrorism in between. Justice for the Palestinians? The Palestinians need a leader who can prepare them for peace. They dont have one,they have never had one. The only constant over the past 35 years has been Arafat. Get rid of Arafat and maybe someone will rise up and put the welfare of the Palestinian people above their own vendetta against the Jewish state. And just for your information, I believe the Israelis should withdraw from the settlements. But I will never back down on the Israelis right to defend themselves from the likes of Arafat. And remember what happens when you assume....

 

[p_p_man]

The Palestinians need a leader who can prepare them for peace. They dont have one,they have never had one. The only constant over the past 35 years has been Arafat. Get rid of Arafat

There, you see...

We agree.

 

[p_p_man]

But I will never back down on the Israelis right to defend themselves from the likes of Arafat.

Now all we have to do is work out a way on how the Israeli's should deal with Arafat and sudden;y we'll be on the same side!

To me bombing, shelling and shooting at civilians is not the way forward.

If that method worked half the population of Ireland woud be dead by now for the crimes of the few.

I reckon Sharon has to go first...

ppman

 

[bored1]

Now all we have to do is work out a way on how the Israeli's should deal with Arafat and sudden;y we'll be on the same side!

To me bombing, shelling and shooting at civilians is not the way forward.

If that method worked half the population of Ireland woud be dead by now for the crimes of the few.

I reckon Sharon has to go first...

ppman

How do you deal with a man who has been doing what hes doing since at least 1964? Past behavior predicts future behavior, Arafat is the poster boy for that. The Palestinians should be working at setting up an apparatus/infrastructure to bring a country to life. It will not happen with Arafat around. There has to be well educated Palestinians who are quite capable of doing this task. In my chosen profession if a manager becomes ineffective or loses control of his staff he is soon replaced,usually after numerous warnings. I see Arafat as a Manager who has lost control / respect of his staff. He has had numerous warnings. It is time for a change. As for Sharon.........Its not time for him to be replaced...

 

[p_p_man]

How do you deal with a man who has been doing what hes doing since at least 1964? Past behavior predicts future behavior, Arafat is the poster boy for that. The Palestinians should be working at setting up an apparatus/infrastructure to bring a country to life. It will not happen with Arafat around. There has to be well educated Palestinians who are quite capable of doing this task. In my chosen profession if a manager becomes ineffective or loses control of his staff he is soon replaced,usually after numerous warnings. I see Arafat as a Manager who has lost control / respect of his staff. He has had numerous warnings. It is time for a change. As for Sharon.........Its not time for him to be replaced...

As I've said many times before the Americans can do a lot more than what they've done in the past.

First dismantle their relationsship with Israel.

Second provide equal aid to the Palestinians that Israel gets on the understanding that Arafat stands down, I think he'll be happy to considering how ill he looks, and the Palestian Authority hold elections for a political leadership.

That would be the beginning, just broad strokes, but the beginning. The move would also go a long way in regaining Arab confidence in the States and demolishing the need for bin Ladens to spring up proclaiming Palestine as their cause.

They would still spring up but they won't have the tacit support of the Arabs prcisely because Palestine would be out of the equation.

But Sharon has to go otherwise no matter what America does the world would see her as really Israeli at heart.

ppman

 

[bored1]

The US will never dismantle the relationship with Israel. The powers that be just released some Nixon tapes from 1972 in the tape they were talking about bringing peace to the region! But before there could be any negoiating the terrorism had to stop! It was amazing,as if time had stood still. Now, when I begin to see Egypt,Saudi Arabia,Syria and all the other Arab countries stop formenting violence and stop teaching hate in their schools and begin to prepare their people for a lasting peace, then I will consider a reassessment of the current US / Israeli relationship. I dont believe that will happen anytime soon. The way I see it, the events we are witnessing are nothing more than the beginning of WW3, An extremist view to be sure. But I see it as Islam vrs the West and our way of life. I do hope Im wrong.

 

[kamuikamui]

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Pacifism used as a tactic in certain situations is a bona fide sword.

Pacifism as a national doctrine is suicide. A lesson in the cycle of history that has to be learned over and over again.

Pacifism has only worked effectively as a tool of liberation or protest against the existing political structure. It has never worked against an invader.

Ishmael

You've convinced me. I'm going to join Redwave's eternal struggle against capitaist opression.

Power to the people!

 

[YogiBare]

The way I see it, the events we are witnessing are nothing more than the beginning of WW3, An extremist view to be sure. But I see it as Islam vrs the West and our way of life. I do hope Im wrong.

Sadly, I believe that you are very correct, bored1. The radical Islamists have all of the key elements that the Nazis had. They've got the totalitarian regimes, the attitude that they have been repressed and victimized, believe that they are morally superior to the rest of the world, and feel justified in the large scale murder of innocent people whom they believe to be inferior and corruptors of society. It don't look good.

 

[bored1]

Sadly, I believe that you are very correct, bored1. The radical Islamists have all of the key elements that the Nazis had. They've got the totalitarian regimes, the attitude that they have been repressed and victimized, believe that they are morally superior to the rest of the world, and feel justified in the large scale murder of innocent people whom they believe to be inferior and corruptors of society. It don't look good.

Well said YB, You have put the situation in easily comparable Historical terms. Not to many people believe this to be true. Time will tell.

 

[p_p_man]

Sadly, I believe that you are very correct, bored1. The radical Islamists have all of the key elements that the Nazis had. They've got the totalitarian regimes, the attitude that they have been repressed and victimized, believe that they are morally superior to the rest of the world, and feel justified in the large scale murder of innocent people whom they believe to be inferior and corruptors of society. It don't look good.

If you hadn't mentioned Islamists specifically I would have been convinced you were talking about the other side.

A head count of murders puts Zionistsl way ahead and as for their attitude of feeling repressed and victimised, they have personally used the holocaust as a weapon of war. Conveniently re-naming it 'the Jewish holocaust'.

I suppose the only thing that would have confused me would be the reference to totalitarian regimes but then you're not talking about the Zionist attitude to the Palestinians...


ppman

 

[YogiBare]

If you hadn't mentioned Islamists specifically I would have been convinced you were talking about the other side.

A head count of murders puts Zionistsl way ahead and as for their attitude of feeling repressed and victimised, they have personally used the holocaust as a weapon of war. Conveniently re-naming it 'the Jewish holocaust'.

I suppose the only thing that would have confused me would be the reference to totalitarian regimes but then you're not talking about the Zionist attitude to the Palestinians...


ppman

p_p_man, may God have mercy on your soul.