Debate Topic -- Original Sin

[plasticman33]

And am I the only one who sides with the Giant? I mean, this little prick breaks into my house, steals my harp and my golden goose, and when I try to get them back he chops down the beanstalk and I fall to my death. What the fuck?

NEWS FLASH!

Jack accused of murder! Film at eleven!

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

Seroiusly. Pull that shit in Los Angeles...

 

[Voosla]

all of the above. Eve didnt force Adam, and the snake didnt force Eve

 

[Starblayde]

Eddie Izzard's original sin was:

Poking a badger with a spoon.

Now go and say ten Hail Mary's and five Geronimo's

 

[plasticman33]

all of the above. Eve didnt force Adam, and the snake didnt force Eve

Do you suppose there was a worm in that apple?

 

[fgarvb1]

I put forth the whole garden thing was arranged by god and that it could not have gone down any other way.

1.by his own admission God knows what goes on everywhere and every second.

2. God pointed out the tree of life not as an example but as the only thing they could not have anything to do with.

3. God was looking for some replacements to follow him of their on free will. You have to be taught to learn things, even if by yourself.

4. God had to know Satan would not miss a chance like that. All he had to do was set the stage and let events roll.

5. many other things i can not recall right now.

 

[SINthysist]

1, 2, 3 - snake beats adam. SMACK!

1, 2, 3 - eve beats adam. SMACK!

1, 2, 3 - God got tired of thier silly games and shoved them out into the real world saying, "Look, you're in your 30's and running around the Garden all day playing Hide the Snake is just not as cute as it was when you were 18. Get a job, build a home, go raise your own rug rats. Lilith and I have the RV supplied and we're going on an extended vacation. Bye now! Best of luck. Call us when it's time to come see the grandkids..."

 

[freescorfr]

So where did the idea of blaming other people for what happens to us come from then?

 

[Synnerman]

Who was to blame? Adam, Eve or the snake?

God was. She set the whole thing in motion to start with.

And no cracks about my sig. either.

 

[BustyTheClown]

Re: Re: Duh !

First my two cents. I guess it was everyone's fault for what happened in the Garden of Eden -- Eve for being so vain as to be seduced by a snake into doing something she knew she shouldn't have done, Adam for not refusing Eve's offer of the apple. You could even blame God for tempting them in the first place by forbidding them to eat of the Tree of Knowledge, but that seems to be getting a little frivolous...

Now for Jim's point:

The Bible holds Adam responsible for the Original Sin, even though it was Eve who succumbed to the temptation first. The reason for that is that God, when he created them both, named Adam as responsible for what happened in the Garden, thus it was Adam who suffers the blame.

Why, if Adam holds the ultimate blame for mankind's fall, have women in Christianity -- and then women in *general* -- been so undervalued and discriminated against? Christian-minded poets, philosophers, scientists, etc., have all written works blaming woman -- blaming Eve -- for the pain and suffering we have today. Whether or not the Bible actually condemns Adam or Eve seems to be irrelevant, as long as society is interpreting it a certain way and acting according to that interpretation.

I guess I'm just saying I beg to differ that, on the whole, Adam has been the one to accept the blame for original sin. If he has been, though, I'd like someone to explain woman's position in history to me. In detail. With quotations.

 

[sensualpilgrim]

God Did It!

Ok, having done all those religious studies, I can give you the gnostic Christian version. Jesus did it! You see Jesus is also Lucifer "the morning star" and is also godess of wisdom Sophia who is also the Spirit. Anyway, Jesus-Sophia didn't want man to remain n childhood forever but to raise him up to godly level and so he-she assume the form of snake which is a symbol of sex and enteral life (snake biting its tail in a circle). He-she offer the apple to Ev because Ev was a woman who's more wise. Then Adam took the fruit and their evolution begins. So it was nobody's fault. Now I say let's relax and enjoy sex!

Pilgrim
www.ravenartstudio.com

 

[JazzManJim]

Re: Re: Re: Duh !

Why, if Adam holds the ultimate blame for mankind's fall, have women in Christianity -- and then women in *general* -- been so undervalued and discriminated against? Christian-minded poets, philosophers, scientists, etc., have all written works blaming woman -- blaming Eve -- for the pain and suffering we have today. Whether or not the Bible actually condemns Adam or Eve seems to be irrelevant, as long as society is interpreting it a certain way and acting according to that interpretation.

That's easy. Women have been blamed because people are excellent at finding blame in anyone other than themselves.

Many make the mistake in thinking that women hold subordinate positions, Biblically, beause they are being punished for committing the original sin. That's fallacious. The Bible is crystal clear that the fault for Original Sin lies in Adam (Romans 5:12, I Corinthians 15:21-22).

Unfortunately, the Bible, like anything else, is subject to being used by anyone to foster their own agenda. This includes undervaluing and discrimination, too. However, actually *reading* the Bible disabuses those notions pretty damned quick.

 

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