Death Sentence

[Super-Surprise]

China executes hundreds of it's citizens every day.

It was once said that in a country of a billion plus, a few tens of thousands aren't significant.

 

[LiFeNdEaTh]

China executes hundreds of it's citizens every day.

It was once said that in a country of a billion plus, a few tens of thousands aren't significant.

that's fucked up.

 

[dirtwrench]

Guilty by noon, hanged by suppertime.

Yep, I am all for the death penalty if the government will actually use it. No more death row for 20 fucking years while they appeal to any court that is willing to hear them and write their memoirs. Will a few be put to death that were not guilty of that particular crime, yes. Humans will make mistakes. On the other hand, will it be more or less than those saved by eliminating the guilty?

Rope is reasonably cheap, eliminates prison over crowding, and saves time.

 

[GoDnUbErMeNsCh]

hmmmmmm the certain prospect of death could sweeten life with a precious an fragrant drop of levity... true talk... but what gives man the right to say "that man gonna die"?? nah, it jus ain't right.

 

[badbabysitter]

Guilty by noon, hanged by suppertime.

Yep, I am all for the death penalty if the government will actually use it. No more death row for 20 fucking years while they appeal to any court that is willing to hear them and write their memoirs. Will a few be put to death that were not guilty of that particular crime, yes. Humans will make mistakes. On the other hand, will it be more or less than those saved by eliminating the guilty?

Rope is reasonably cheap, eliminates prison over crowding, and saves time.

If the death penalty is such a deterrent...then why is it not deterring anything?


Texas should be crime free...yet it isnt


weird huh

 

[ChinaBandit]

If the death penalty is such a deterrent...then why is it not deterring anything?


Texas should be crime free...yet it isnt


weird huh

I don't care if it's a deterrent or not.

You are probably right anyway. What deters psychopaths?

I look at the death penalty as deserved, compassionate, revenge. If it were up to me many executions would feature equally horrific torture to that experienced by the victim of the crime.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I personally know 2 men on death row. Both have been there for many years...one of them 35 years, the other almost 20.

One guy robbed an elderly couple, tied them up, then pared them with a knife. He got caught when he showed off his jar of fingers, ears, and noses to his friends.

The other guy murdered his girlfriends mother. She got upset when she came home and found him fucking her 15 year old daughter. He wasnt nice about how he killed the woman. He tried filling his syringe with bleach and sticking mama but that didnt kill her, so he sat on her and cut her throat. The daughter helped.

The lawyer dressed the girl up in maryjanes, ankle sox, a penafore...she looked like Dorothy Gale of Kansas but still got 20 years. Her boyfriend got death. But he's still marinating.

I recently read of a case defended by Roy Black. The killer was already on death row for murdering a mother and her kids. But death row was no fun at all, and one day he murdered the guard sent to escort him to the shower. As Roy put it, HE JUST SNAPPED, AND RELEASED ALL THAT ANGER AND FRUSTRATION ONTO THE OFFICER. IT WAS POST TRAUMATIC STRESS. Poor baby.

The Mounties almost always get the right man. Most killers arent James Bond or Ninja. There are usually plenty of witnesses who know the killer.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I don't care if it's a deterrent or not.

You are probably right anyway. What deters psychopaths?

I look at the death penalty as deserved, compassionate, revenge. If it were up to me many executions would feature equally horrific torture to that experienced by the victim of the crime.

Its lawful punishment.

Something like 80 plus percent of the time guilt is a no-brainer. The killer murders in a public place with plenty of witnesses or leaves a diaper load of incriminating evidence. But then we wanna study the tea leaves and horoscopes and animal signs for any excuse to pardon the killer. Capital punishment becomes a godsend for 3rd rate lawyers.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

If the death penalty is such a deterrent...then why is it not deterring anything?


Texas should be crime free...yet it isnt


weird huh

Its a socialist science fact that death deters killers from ever murdering again. In almost 100% of the cases a dead killer is forever harmless.

Years ago a guy out in California raped a teen and amputated her arms. He got life but was released after 5 years or so. He then came to my town and murdered a young woman. He got death but died of cancer after a while.

 

[SeaDaddy1]

I do feel some crimes deserve the death penalty. The problem I have is human error. How many innocent people have been sent to death row and new evidence was found to free them? How many have died that shouldn't have? Scary.

I've often felt the same way. I mean, I use to be cut and dry about it. You intentionally murder someone, you should get the death penalty. These days it is hard to tell who the bad guy really is.

In many countries, life doesn't actually mean life.
Here, life is generally only 25 years.
I don't see how that's fair.

I don't think giving someone free room and board at taxpayers' expense is the answer. Some criminals intentionally commit crimes so they don't have to sleep on the streets and worry about their next meal.

If the death penalty is such a deterrent...then why is it not deterring anything?


Texas should be crime free...yet it isnt


weird huh

No justice system is perfect. Every country should be crime free, yet it isn't.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

The trick is to process the 80 percent who are guilty with 100% certainty, allow them one year to process their appeals. Then execute them.

Take our time with the others where reasonable questions exist. Reasonable does not mean whatever implausible wild shit you can imagine. It means real conflicts tween hard facts. Like, your paw prints are all over the pistol but you were on tour with Lady Gaga in Hell when the murder occurred.

But what we do is treat every killer like he's the victim of outrageous fortune and post traumatic stress dooky.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

[Do you believe it should be legal to do in all states?]

[I do not even believe that it should be legal in some states.]

 

[BoyNextDoor]

I do feel some crimes deserve the death penalty. The problem I have is human error. How many innocent people have been sent to death row and new evidence was found to free them? How many have died that shouldn't have? Scary.

And you call yourself a Christian - tisk, tisk

 

[oggbashan]

In England, when the death penalty was mandatory for many offences that would now be considered minor, juries often refused to convict despite overwhelming evidence of guilt.

In Canterbury during the Commonwealth headed by Oliver Cromwell, it was an offence deserving death to celebrate Christmas, which was seen as a pagan festival leading to drunkeness, playing of music and lascivious dancing.

Several Canterbury citizens defied the law - publicly. They were arrested and tried. The jury of local citizens refused to convict them, partly because the death sentence was the only one possible. They were asked again and again to deliver a verdict. A second jury was sworn in. When they too continued to refuse, they were thrown in jail too. Their final word was 'ignoramus' - we do not know whether the defendants are guilty ot not.

A riot of Canterbury citizens broke open the jail, released the jury and the original defendants, and assaulted the jailers. Cromwell sent troops to restore order. They too were assaulted.

Eventually Canterbury was fined for allowing public disorder. The defendants and jurors were never found even though all the locals knew where they were, and they were in their homes having apparently changed their names.

The case is one of those that established the principle that jurors are entitled to be totally independent and can ignore a judge's direction.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

In England, when the death penalty was mandatory for many offences that would now be considered minor, juries often refused to convict despite overwhelming evidence of guilt.

In Canterbury during the Commonwealth headed by Oliver Cromwell, it was an offence deserving death to celebrate Christmas, which was seen as a pagan festival leading to drunkeness, playing of music and lascivious dancing.

Several Canterbury citizens defied the law - publicly. They were arrested and tried. The jury of local citizens refused to convict them, partly because the death sentence was the only one possible. They were asked again and again to deliver a verdict. A second jury was sworn in. When they too continued to refuse, they were thrown in jail too. Their final word was 'ignoramus' - we do not know whether the defendants are guilty ot not.

A riot of Canterbury citizens broke open the jail, released the jury and the original defendants, and assaulted the jailers. Cromwell sent troops to restore order. They too were assaulted.

Eventually Canterbury was fined for allowing public disorder. The defendants and jurors were never found even though all the locals knew where they were, and they were in their homes having apparently changed their names.

The case is one of those that established the principle that jurors are entitled to be totally independent and can ignore a judge's direction.

Good post. Here crimes against children are currently considered the most heinous and yet we had to excuse the perpetrators from the death penalty for a live victim would surely get you executed while a dead one was severely limited in his ability to accuse.

 

[CNYCarol]

ah, there is the nub though, the taking of human life in 'self defence' is still a sin and as such should have the ultimate sanction.

Taking a life in self defence is sin?

What kind of drugs are you on?