Dear X:

[WriterDom]

Dear P,

That's where we part ways. You have to know the democrats have a long history of cheating and voter fraud. JFK was a illegitimate president. Even today democrats are famous for bringing busloads of illiterate hoards to the polls to vote for anyone with a (D) beside their name. It's no wonder a butterfly ballot blew their minds. They trade cigarettes for votes. I'm very happy with a republic and not a democracy. I'd rather see elections won in purple states than having Bush campaign in Texas or Kerry walking the streets of New York. Our founding fathers got that one right and no matter how much you bitch and moan, that's not going to change. It's a done deal. Just like all that wasted oil underneath the Arctic wasteland.

 

[intothewoods]

Dear P,

That's where we part ways. You have to know the democrats have a long history of cheating and voter fraud. JFK was a illegitimate president. Even today democrats are famous for bringing busloads of illiterate hoards to the polls to vote for anyone with a (D) beside their name. It's no wonder a butterfly ballot blew their minds. They trade cigarettes for votes. I'm very happy with a republic and not a democracy. I'd rather see elections won in purple states than having Bush campaign in Texas or Kerry walking the streets of New York. Our founding fathers got that one right and no matter how much you bitch and moan, that's not going to change. It's a done deal. Just like all that wasted oil underneath the Arctic wasteland.

The democrats are famous for bringing busloads of illiterate hoards? That's rich. You're nuts.

 

[Sir_Winston54]

The democrats are famous for bringing busloads of illiterate hoards? That's rich. You're nuts.

From PowerLine:

Several readers wrote to point out this study of the 2004 election by the American Center for Voting Rights. We reported extensively on efforts by the Democrats to intimidate Republican voters in the months leading up to the election, and to commit fraud on election day. Those anectotal reports are confirmed by the Center's report. I'm still working my way through the full text, but here are excerpts from the executive summary:

[A] careful review of the facts shows that in 2004, paid Democrat operatives were far more involved in voter intimidation and suppression efforts than their Republican counterparts. Examples include:

* Paid Democrat operatives charged with slashing tires of 25 Republican get-out-the-vote vans in Milwaukee on the morning of Election Day.

* Misleading telephone calls made by Democrat operatives targeting Republican voters in Ohio with the wrong date for the election and faulty polling place information.

* Intimidating and deceiving mailings and telephone calls paid for by the DNC threatening Republican volunteers in Florida with legal action.

* Union-coordinated intimidation and violence campaign targeting Republican campaign offices and volunteers resulting in a broken arm for a GOP volunteer in Florida.

Vote fraud and voter registration fraud were significant problems in at least a dozen states around the county. Vote fraud is a reality in America that occurred not only in large battleground states like Wisconsin but in places like Alabama and Kentucky. The record indicates that in 2004, voter registration fraud was mainly the work of so-called “nonpartisan” groups such as Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) and NAACP National Voter Fund. Examples include:

* Joint task force in Wisconsin found “clear evidence of fraud in the Nov. 2 election in Milwaukee,” including more than 200 felon voters, more than 100 double voters and thousands more ballots cast than voters recorded as having voted in the city.

* NAACP National Voter Fund worker in Ohio paid crack cocaine in exchange for a large number of fraudulent voter registration cards in names of Dick Tracy, Mary Poppins and other fictional characters.

* Former ACORN worker said there was “a lot of fraud committed” by group in Florida, as ACORN workers submitted thousands of fraudulent registrations in a dozen states across the country, resulting in a statewide investigation of the group in Florida and multiple indictments and convictions of ACORN/Project Vote workers for voter registration fraud in several states.


The Democrats have organized massive efforts to subvert the democratic process over the last several election cycles. Voter fraud is still the great unacknowledged issue of our democracy. Ominously, violence has more recently supplemented fraud in the Democrats' arsenal of dirty tricks.​

Yes, it's a conservative blog - do you think the Dems are going to publicize this type of report?

 

[minx1]

Dear x,

Thankyou for granting me permission to ask you.

You showed such understanding and sensitivity. You really couldn't have said anything more perfect to me tonight. I adore you.

So lucky

Me

 

[intothewoods]

From PowerLine:

Several readers wrote to point out this study of the 2004 election by the American Center for Voting Rights. We reported extensively on efforts by the Democrats to intimidate Republican voters in the months leading up to the election, and to commit fraud on election day. Those anectotal reports are confirmed by the Center's report. I'm still working my way through the full text, but here are excerpts from the executive summary:

[A] careful review of the facts shows that in 2004, paid Democrat operatives were far more involved in voter intimidation and suppression efforts than their Republican counterparts. Examples include:

* Paid Democrat operatives charged with slashing tires of 25 Republican get-out-the-vote vans in Milwaukee on the morning of Election Day.

* Misleading telephone calls made by Democrat operatives targeting Republican voters in Ohio with the wrong date for the election and faulty polling place information.

* Intimidating and deceiving mailings and telephone calls paid for by the DNC threatening Republican volunteers in Florida with legal action.

* Union-coordinated intimidation and violence campaign targeting Republican campaign offices and volunteers resulting in a broken arm for a GOP volunteer in Florida.

Vote fraud and voter registration fraud were significant problems in at least a dozen states around the county. Vote fraud is a reality in America that occurred not only in large battleground states like Wisconsin but in places like Alabama and Kentucky. The record indicates that in 2004, voter registration fraud was mainly the work of so-called “nonpartisan” groups such as Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) and NAACP National Voter Fund. Examples include:

* Joint task force in Wisconsin found “clear evidence of fraud in the Nov. 2 election in Milwaukee,” including more than 200 felon voters, more than 100 double voters and thousands more ballots cast than voters recorded as having voted in the city.

* NAACP National Voter Fund worker in Ohio paid crack cocaine in exchange for a large number of fraudulent voter registration cards in names of Dick Tracy, Mary Poppins and other fictional characters.

* Former ACORN worker said there was “a lot of fraud committed” by group in Florida, as ACORN workers submitted thousands of fraudulent registrations in a dozen states across the country, resulting in a statewide investigation of the group in Florida and multiple indictments and convictions of ACORN/Project Vote workers for voter registration fraud in several states.


The Democrats have organized massive efforts to subvert the democratic process over the last several election cycles. Voter fraud is still the great unacknowledged issue of our democracy. Ominously, violence has more recently supplemented fraud in the Democrats' arsenal of dirty tricks.​

Yes, it's a conservative blog - do you think the Dems are going to publicize this type of report?

And the Dems control the media, right?

I know voter fraud happens. It happens on both sides. There are scummy assholes in politics. It's not a Democratic conspiracy.

"The Democrats have organized mass efforts to subvert the democratic process..." That is an outright lie. There is no vast left wing conspiracy, and there is no vast right wing conspiracy. I would never spew such venom. It's ridiculous. It's insane.

I abhor the things our president and his administration have done, but I am not a Democratic party hack. The Democrats' failings make me sick, and I talk about it all the time. I would never stick my head in the sand and blog about all Republicans as if they are a monolithic entity. My criticism of Republicans as a group is the blind support for the President, when I feel that his actions were not in line with core Republican values.

I'm sorry for responding to WD's post, because I don't have the stomach for this. It just makes me sick to read these gross overgeneralizations. I don't read Democratic blogs for information, thanks. I get my facts from a wide variety of sources, and pride myself on being well-informed and balanced in that information.

 

[WriterDom]

It's not the republicans in Georgia who fight the voter ID law. It's easier to vote here than it is to rent a damn movie.

 

[jadefirefly]

It should be easy to vote. It's a right. We don't have government-granted rights to rent other people's property, but we do have government-granted rights to vote.

Too bad, so sad.

 

[Homburg]

It should be easy to vote. It's a right. We don't have government-granted rights to rent other people's property, but we do have government-granted rights to vote.

Too bad, so sad.

Now, while I'm not weighing in on voter ID laws, I will say that just because something is a right does not mean it needs to somehow be easy. I'm not saying that it needs to be difficult, as that can be exclusionary, but the right to vote does not necessarily apply to everyone wandering around. Non-citizens, certain convicted felons, and sundry other types simply do not have the right. The rest do, certainly, but why is it so awful to require a prospective voter to show ID, or somesuch, and thus prove that they are due that right?

 

[doveofserenity]

looks at title of thread

sniffs air... smells hijack in process

 

[EmpressFi]

It should be easy to vote. It's a right. We don't have government-granted rights to rent other people's property, but we do have government-granted rights to vote.

Too bad, so sad.

Now, while I'm not weighing in on voter ID laws, I will say that just because something is a right does not mean it needs to somehow be easy. I'm not saying that it needs to be difficult, as that can be exclusionary, but the right to vote does not necessarily apply to everyone wandering around. Non-citizens, certain convicted felons, and sundry other types simply do not have the right. The rest do, certainly, but why is it so awful to require a prospective voter to show ID, or somesuch, and thus prove that they are due that right?

it's amazingly easy to vote, and Homburg is right, while it doesnt need to be made so difficult that it's exclusionary, however, there has to be a way to ensure that someone who should be voting is voting. Also, as much as it is a right, it's a responsibility. Some say that they dont vote because they have no true voice. I believe it's the other way around. If you dont vote, you have no right to complain if you dont like the course the country takes over the next 4 years.

To vote, you fill out a card and show a driver's license. At least that's all I needed to do to register here in New Jersey. When we moved, all I had to do was show a utility bill in my name to change districts. Every single piece of "evidence" to show that I was a legal resident of the city, township, county,state, and country could have been faked and most of it was taken at my word since I wasnt required to fill it out there in front of anyone

 

[sanjuaneros]

Dear X

I am becoming very tired and honestly sick of being controlled by a child. We are the parents yet he gets to make the rules, and say when and how and what we are going to do? WTF IS UP WITH THAT.


Dear X,X,

I did not create this, and you had some part of it. Just saying.


Dear Body,

Not now….


Me

 

[jadefirefly]

Now, while I'm not weighing in on voter ID laws, I will say that just because something is a right does not mean it needs to somehow be easy. I'm not saying that it needs to be difficult, as that can be exclusionary, but the right to vote does not necessarily apply to everyone wandering around. Non-citizens, certain convicted felons, and sundry other types simply do not have the right. The rest do, certainly, but why is it so awful to require a prospective voter to show ID, or somesuch, and thus prove that they are due that right?

Now, don't be putting words into my mouth. When I state that I think felons and non-citizens and kindergarteners ought to be voting alongside everyone else, you can feel free to assume that's what I meant.

Course, I don't think felons and non-citizens and kindergarteners ought to be renting videos either, soooooo....

 

[Homburg]

Now, don't be putting words into my mouth. When I state that I think felons and non-citizens and kindergarteners ought to be voting alongside everyone else, you can feel free to assume that's what I meant.

Course, I don't think felons and non-citizens and kindergarteners ought to be renting videos either, soooooo....

Who put words in your mouth? You said voting should be easy as it was a right. I gave examples of people who do not have that right, thus supporting why I think easy is a bad idea.

 

[Netzach]

Let's make it hard. It all went downhill when we decided white guys who rent are in.

Also I don't have to go to whackjob.net to find out about missing votes in 2004. Nobody had anything to say about all this Democratic chicanery until the obvious fraud of late.

But you know, I'm a Jew so I have a media outlet chained up in my back yard.

 

[Homburg]

But you know, I'm a Jew so I have a media outlet chained up in my back yard.

Hawt. Pics plz, kthx.

 

[Netzach]

Hawt. Pics plz, kthx.

A girl can dream can't she?

 

[Homburg]

A girl can dream can't she?

That is definitely a self-touch-worthy dream.

 

[intothewoods]

Let's make it hard. It all went downhill when we decided white guys who rent are in.

Also I don't have to go to whackjob.net to find out about missing votes in 2004. Nobody had anything to say about all this Democratic chicanery until the obvious fraud of late.

But you know, I'm a Jew so I have a media outlet chained up in my back yard.

Is it wrong that I love you?

 

[unfoundiamond]

....wow.

To whom it may concern *hehe*

There's only a few things that bother me... being left in a shitty situation is definately one of them.

Another one is people who want what they want... (ie, "I want you\I don't want you to be with anyone else) But when it comes to filling the roles, doing what needs to be done, saving my ass in an emergency... I find myself alone... Not to F*in mention, the person who does save me, will get the credit... (duh) and if you don't help me, don't expect to be regarded as anything but... a onlooker.

I won't ask you to do what you should do. There are somethings I will expect you to do without being told to do it, and if you don't, then maybe we aren't compatible.

Yes, I do believe in communication... but telling you to look out for me... telling you to care about/for and protect me, that should go without saying.

People make excuses, I hear them all the time, and if you want me to think you're diffrent than the rest, then prove it. Don't use words to bend the truth into something I want to hear.

I may have a lot of flaws... I am no perfect soul... but jesus christ, I wouldn't leave someone alone in a situation I was standing by their side in, untill they got into some trouble...

then it becomes every man for themself.

 

[EmpressFi]

Who put words in your mouth? You said voting should be easy as it was a right. I gave examples of people who do not have that right, thus supporting why I think easy is a bad idea.

He has a point.

 

[twysted73]

You know who you are...

Sometimes I wonder about what you think of me. Sometimes you tell me, sometimes you don't. It's the "don'ts" that seem to fester and bite me (not in a good way) later.

It's so easy to say "oh, you can't possibly have as rough a schedule as you do." then assume I am probably being dishonest, that I'm married, that I couldn't possibly have anything else that could keep me preoccupied simply because you aren't aware of it.

You ask me to see where I am. I am hessitant to. You don't respect that. No, my need for privacy must mean dishonesty.

Well then...I care for my father. He has altzheimer's. It's why I drove across country to be here.
He forgets things quite often and when I'm not working I'm with him.
You know what having a child with you is like. Well mine can start fires and order insane things from tv that I can't cover.
I love him dearly but must devote much of my life to him. And when I do get away to see you, I have a sitter for him much like you would for your child.

Family business has always been taught to be private and closely guarded.
I ran the line between adhearing to my family training or losing you because of it.
I really hope this helps. If not, I have one adult child to care for already. And I don't need another one.

I'm sorry to be so bitter. But when you bend over backwards far enough there comes a time when all you see is a shitty situation.


( i won't be answering my phone today. I need time to think. don't be hurt. it's why I'm explaining it here)

Transparancy

 

[jadefirefly]

He has a point.

Oh, please. Where in "voting should be easy, it's a right" do we see a statement that says "and you should be able to do it even if you shouldn't have the same rights that all the other citizens have"?

At what point did I say people who DONT HAVE the same rights as the rest of us, should be entitled to the same rights as the rest of us? That's a completely ridiculous statement, and frankly pretty ridiculous to infer out of a simple claim that it shouldn't be something we have to jump through hoops over.

You've got to be trying pretty damn hard to find *some* loophole in a simple statement, just to prove that what you think is right, and if someone doesn't agree with you they must be all for everything you're against. Constitutional rights apply only to people who are legally eligible for them. I don't recall anyone at all in this thread stating that they should apply to everyone else, as well.

Next time, find something that someone actually says to pick a stupid argument about, okay?

 

[intothewoods]

Most importantly, I think you don't have your eye on the ball if you're focused on all those crazy felon voters.

 

[EmpressFi]

Oh, please. Where in "voting should be easy, it's a right" do we see a statement that says "and you should be able to do it even if you shouldn't have the same rights that all the other citizens have"?

At what point did I say people who DONT HAVE the same rights as the rest of us, should be entitled to the same rights as the rest of us? That's a completely ridiculous statement, and frankly pretty ridiculous to infer out of a simple claim that it shouldn't be something we have to jump through hoops over.

You've got to be trying pretty damn hard to find *some* loophole in a simple statement, just to prove that what you think is right, and if someone doesn't agree with you they must be all for everything you're against. Constitutional rights apply only to people who are legally eligible for them. I don't recall anyone at all in this thread stating that they should apply to everyone else, as well.

Next time, find something that someone actually says to pick a stupid argument about, okay?

How about this, I'm not picking a stupid argument. I'm agreeing that when he said:

Who put words in your mouth? You said voting should be easy as it was a right. I gave examples of people who do not have that right, thus supporting why I think easy is a bad idea.

That he has a point. Just as YOU didnt use the words about felons.. he NEVER said in his post that YOU said them. He was just using them as an example as to reasons why voting shouldnt be easy

 

[Homburg]

Oh, please. Where in "voting should be easy, it's a right" do we see a statement that says "and you should be able to do it even if you shouldn't have the same rights that all the other citizens have"?

At what point did I say people who DONT HAVE the same rights as the rest of us, should be entitled to the same rights as the rest of us? That's a completely ridiculous statement, and frankly pretty ridiculous to infer out of a simple claim that it shouldn't be something we have to jump through hoops over.

You've got to be trying pretty damn hard to find *some* loophole in a simple statement, just to prove that what you think is right, and if someone doesn't agree with you they must be all for everything you're against. Constitutional rights apply only to people who are legally eligible for them. I don't recall anyone at all in this thread stating that they should apply to everyone else, as well.

Next time, find something that someone actually says to pick a stupid argument about, okay?

Overreact much?

Seriously.

It's not about you. I don't even frikken know you, and you certainly aren't high enough above the radar for your posts to rate me "trying pretty damn hard" to do anything with them.

Here's a big hint: I made a comment. You turned it into an argument. Calm down and reread what I said, not what you think I said.

You posted (paraphrase):

Voting is a right, and should be easy.

I replied (paraphrased):

Not everyone has that right, and it's reasonable to ask voters to prove they can legitimately vote.

This is the essence of the posts you are so wound up over.

Try the decaf next time.