Deal Killers

Pages of adjectives. I don't care if the chiffon dress is soft teal or misty turquoise. I don't really care what color it is at all. (This doesn't just apply to erotica.) Ditto the previously mentioned bust sizes and dick lengths, especially if it's monstrous DD 40 this or 11" that. Worst case scenario: a detailed description of a suit.

Bad grammar. Unless you're freaking James Joyce, write according to the language you claim to speak.

Sluts. Women who are extremely promiscuous just about always have serious self-esteem problems or other significant damage. No sane woman opens her legs without pages of internal monologue happening first. If she's willingly doing it on page one, she's a man with boobs, not a woman. I'm not into men.

Backstory in the wrong place. Until I care about a character I don't want to know about her childhood. Little reveals and flashes of insight scattered across a story can be fascinating; an info dump isn't.

Victimization of children, animals, or the mentally enfeebled, or actual incest. If a character doesn't have enough agency to make rational decisions, it's no longer seduction.

This was really well put. :applause: I love reading a woman's internal dialogue too, their perspective is often so different...
 
While I'm the first to admit that pilot's taken his grumpy pills recently and appears to be upping the dosage

Well I guess that to anyone used to FL800, the rest of us must appear as mere groundhogs. All the same it must be galling to have come no closer than 180,000 ft of wings proper. :p
 
I have no clue what common courtesy is

That's probably because it's a British thing, dear. It got off-loaded at Plymouth to make way for another barrel of salt 'oss before the Mayflower set sail. :)
 
That's probably because it's a British thing, dear. It got off-loaded at Plymouth to make way for another barrel of salt 'oss before the Mayflower set sail. :)

I'm Scottish so naturally piracy and mutinies are my meat.
 
It might not be widespread, you may never know "how many" people dislike something, but reading through this thread if you've never heard of an "info dump" before, that could be quite illuminating for a writer.

Don't presume to dictate to us what we may or may not find useful.

Also, I'd be wary of taking advice from the Samuel X of Gay Male. At some point, a body of work starts to say something. The guy telling you to disregard reader preferences and just write your passion ... hasn't managed to capture much of an audience. Perhaps that's because he's got his head way too far up his own ass.


This is exactly my point. This is a huge site with a huge range of interests. There are no "common things readers find annoying." There are only a small set of people who respond to that question at all on a forum that is a minuscule segment of this Web site. You are asking for and getting a false picture of the impossible--"common things readers find annoying"--and you are falling into an amateur writer's trap of trying to please a set of folks that doesn't exist rather than writing to your passion and letting the interested audience find you.

Sorry if that message doesn't get through to you at whatever stage of writer/reader you are.
 
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Personal attacks on someone's writing says a lot about an attacker. Publishers take risks with my writings and people buy my writings. How about yours?

I don't demand anyone take my advice. It's their choice. Here mainly I support writers in maintaining their own voice and doing their own creating and, yes, I give advice on publishing standards--because I took the time and effort to learn them and use them. I don't attack the writing of others--certainly not those who have put decades of training and experience in the craft and who are actually making money from it.

Sure, I encourage everyone to read Carnal Flower's holdings here and mine and to reach their own conclusions. (You might even find you think that Carnal Flower's stories are far enough superior to mine for her to denigrate mine on the forum--I'm not claiming you wouldn't. I haven't read her stories.) Don't just go by the ratings, because those are easily manipulated, and anyone who would attack the writing of another one on the forum certainly isn't above attacking their story file as well--or of pumping up their own ratings.
 
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Also, I'd be wary of taking advice from the Samuel X of Gay Male.

I do get that Pilot can be annoying and seem rather up himself, but even so this seems unfair. (I mean, look, I'm hardly about to pronounce on anyone's "following" but I've read solidly-constructed and entertaining Pilot stories, and FWICS he's reasonably deserving of the various award wins he's garnered. Samuelx is I'm sure a perfectly nice guy and all but I cannot say the same for his writing.)
 
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Also, I'd be wary of taking advice from the Samuel X of Gay Male. At some point, a body of work starts to say something. The guy telling you to disregard reader preferences and just write your passion ... hasn't managed to capture much of an audience. Perhaps that's because he's got his head way too far up his own ass.

To me, his body of work says he knows the subject, likes writing about it and gains some measure of commercial success that is entirely his business.

Commercial success and audience size is not a reasonable measure of a writer or writing. I've written for just about every slick automobile and motorcycle rag that existed in the last 30 years. Most of it is shit because it panders to people who buy shit if it's wrapped right. The best stuff I've ever done was for small niche pubs and enthusiast club newsletters. Labor of love vs. paycheck. No comparison.

sr71plt has his head where he wants it. Look to your own.

rj
 
It might not be widespread, you may never know "how many" people dislike something, but reading through this thread if you've never heard of an "info dump" before, that could be quite illuminating for a writer.

Don't presume to dictate to us what we may or may not find useful.

Also, I'd be wary of taking advice from the Samuel X of Gay Male. At some point, a body of work starts to say something. The guy telling you to disregard reader preferences and just write your passion ... hasn't managed to capture much of an audience. Perhaps that's because he's got his head way too far up his own ass.

"Delete first try"

CF has several different axes to grind for several different reasons. Most of them have to do with the group she is associated with.
 
Meh. Sooo not signing on to any of the shit about "groups" or conspiracies or whatever else, I respect CF. I'm just saying comparing Pilot to Samuelx is over the top.
 
Meh. Sooo not signing on to any of the shit about "groups" or conspiracies or whatever else, I respect CF. I'm just saying comparing Pilot to Samuelx is over the top.

I very much agree and i didn't say anything about conspiracies. I said group and that is what i meant.
 
Fair enough. (Most of the commentary on "groups" or "blocs" etc. is beyond me, I guess. I have a feeling I'll be happier if it stays that way. ;))
 
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Lol. Not part of a group except common decency.

PILOT can stuff it

I do like to comment on his sad record with readers here on lit, because of his pomposity. It can't be pointed out often enough, really. Perhaps it's an exaggeration to compare him to Samuel X, but that's only a reflection of HIS pomposity.

Given that PILOT manages to offend every single person who has ever put a toe in these forums, he deserves much worse. And it's sickening to see people rally the wagons.

Of course he'd whine about "personal" attacks, it's the bully's lament. Waaah waaah waaah

I have zip, zero respect for PILOT's authorship or this bizarre collective delusion that he is some sort of authority on "writing", which is what his every single utterance on these Boards is about. For such a bloated bloviating dick who loves to tell people every single day what "real writing" is (lol) his record is so sad. If he changes his 'tude maybe it won't need reminding.
 
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Given that PILOT manages to offend every single person who has ever put a toe in these forums, he deserves much worse.

He does not have the winning-est of personalities, obviously; nor am I 'rallying wagons' of any kind for him, which would be a thankless task.

But I can isolate the personality from the writing; funny thing is that I don't think he's a bad writer and often I don't necessarily disagree with what he has to say about writing. It's just that his persistent unpleasantness ensures he'll never get the respect he obviously craves, which I guess is the sort of irony that ought to please those who especially dislike him.
 
I just hate it when a story starts with a first person narrator in present tense. Something like "I watch you put on your sexy dress. We're about to go out to our favourite place..."

or

when the narrator constantly talks to the reader in this "you" form like "You watch her put on that sexy dress. Then you go to your favourite place."


Yuck! Makes me stop reading at once.
 
"I don't demand that anyone take my advice "

If you don't see the irony and hypocrisy of that statement given your comments on this very thread, you're a lost cause

Golly, all I try to do is help people.

Hmm, must be our problem.

As for comparing our record? By all means, though I would suggest my four part series in Gay Make. (Send me a PM for the link.) There you will see that I, a mere "amateur," managed to pull off a feat our resident professional in Gay Male never has here on lit. Sad, but true. Same goes for JKD, adjoaq, DAMackey, Cruel2BKind, the list goes on and on. Look at the Comments on these stories vs the noticeable lack of love streaming towards our paid, published professional. He's about as popular there as he is on these Boards.

Lol. Yes, we know you love to arm yourself with a wall of book covers and constantly remind us that you make money with your "writing." I don't give a crap about that.

I wouldn't care, no one would care, if you weren't such a pompous ass on a daily basis.


Personal attacks on someone's writing says a lot about an attacker. Publishers take risks with my writings and people buy my writings. How about yours?

I don't demand anyone take my advice. It's their choice. Here mainly I support writers in maintaining their own voice and doing their own creating and, yes, I give advice on publishing standards--because I took the time and effort to learn them and use them. I don't attack the writing of others--certainly not those who have put decades of training and experience in the craft and who are actually making money from it.

Sure, I encourage everyone to read Carnal Flower's holdings here and mine and to reach their own conclusions. (You might even find you think that Carnal Flower's stories are far enough superior to mine for her to denigrate mine on the forum--I'm not claiming you wouldn't. I haven't read her stories.) Don't just go by the ratings, because those are easily manipulated, and anyone who would attack the writing of another one on the forum certainly isn't above attacking their story file as well--or of pumping up their own ratings.
 
"I don't demand that anyone take my advice "

If you don't see the irony and hypocrisy of that statement given your comments on this very thread, you're a lost cause

Golly, all I try to do is help people.

Hmm, must be our problem.

As for comparing our record? By all means, though I would suggest my four part series in Gay Make. (Send me a PM for the link.) There you will see that I, a mere "amateur," managed to pull off a feat our resident professional in Gay Male never has here on lit. Sad, but true. Same goes for JKD, adjoaq, DAMackey, Cruel2BKind, the list goes on and on. Look at the Comments on these stories vs the noticeable lack of love streaming towards our paid, published professional. He's about as popular there as he is on these Boards.

Lol. Yes, we know you love to arm yourself with a wall of book covers and constantly remind us that you make money with your "writing." I don't give a crap about that.

I wouldn't care, no one would care, if you weren't such a pompous ass on a daily basis.

Still mad he called your friend a girl huh.
 
I think it's quite funny when very wise people who repeatedly tell other authors to "Show, don't tell" resort to the latter themselves. :)
 
I have very few dislikes when reading other people's stories.

I can be interested in a story line even if the writing is technically poor. Sometimes it takes work for me to continue reading if:

1. Second Person POV - "you do this, you see this"

2. Long paragraphs of text that fill a whole screen on Literotica.

3. Purple prose with too many adjectives and extensive use of a thesaurus.

and last but not least

4. Specific sizes as a feature of the story - 10 inch cock, 38 FF, 260 lbs, five feet four tall.

But if the story interests me I can live with any of the above four. Not ALL four. That would hurt.
 
He sure has you shook, you should go back to your pilot free zone lol.

Seeing your name reminded me of this.

Come on people.There's always a method to the madness. The best voices need the exposure and the win for when they drop the new anthology next month.

Stick around, the Halloween contest should be coinciding with the new anthology. There was already a planted thread that gave one of them a chance to tell us all about it.

So on that note...can we list voting blocks and writers claiming to be too good for lit still using it as a platform for self promotion as a deal breaker?
 
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