"CRT isn't taught in Virginia"

[Bud_Spencer]

It's a book on Amazon and other book sellers....so yeah, what's your point? Where is it being taught?

Last time I checked I can order Mein Kampf on Amazon as well.

Delgado and Stefancic are experts in CRT and have taught it for decades. I think they know what it is or isn't, and what it supports and opposes. It opposes all of those things I listed, cornerstones of Western thought.

Of you adhere to CRT, you spit on civil rights, equality, all of it.

 

[phrodeau]

Able buys 500 pieces of gum. Baker buys another 600 and they put them all into a bowl. They spent $10.00 together. How many pieces of gum can you get for $1?

See? That's math word problem. The original is propaganda, and is largely how CRT is conveyed to students: It's never announced as being CRT.

It's essentially what the Germans called "GLEICHSCHALTUNG."

What happened to the settlers, the Choctaw, the cavalry and the whiskey? Were all those words offensive or racist?

 

[WillJ8787]

Delgado and Stefancic are experts in CRT and have taught it for decades. I think they know what it is or isn't, and what it supports and opposes. It opposes all of those things I listed, cornerstones of Western thought.

Of you adhere to CRT, you spit on civil rights, equality, all of it.

"Richard Delgado (born October 6, 1939) is an American legal scholar who teaches civil rights and critical race theory at the University of Alabama School of Law. He has written and co-authored numerous articles and books, many with his wife, Jean Stefancic."

Again, so what? He teaches at a University, not in public K12 schools funded by taxes.

It's called Liberty to do and teach what he wants. Isn't it?

CRT and civil rights are one and the same.... your incorrect about it.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

What happened to the settlers, the Choctaw, the cavalry and the whiskey? Were all those words offensive or racist?

I don't understand...both were just math problems, no? What's the difference?

 

[Bud_Spencer]

"Richard Delgado (born October 6, 1939) is an American legal scholar who teaches civil rights and critical race theory at the University of Alabama School of Law. He has written and co-authored numerous articles and books, many with his wife, Jean Stefancic."

Again, so what? He teaches at a University, not in public K12 schools funded by taxes.

It's called Liberty to do and teach what he wants. Isn't it?

Well, I'm pretty sure that U of Alabama is funded with our taxes, but that isn't the point. The discussion was what CRT is and what it teaches, and it's exactly what I said it is, according to two CRT experts.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Well, I'm pretty sure that U of Alabama is funded with our taxes, but that isn't the point. The discussion was what CRT is and what it teaches, and it's exactly what I said it is, according to two CRT experts.

Yet what you post from the experts says the opposite. You're literally quoting things you don't understand and prove you wrong.

 

[WillJ8787]

Well, I'm pretty sure that U of Alabama is funded with our taxes, but that isn't the point. The discussion was what CRT is and what it teaches, and it's exactly what I said it is, according to two CRT experts.

Just as I believe a professor has the ability.to teach Mein Kampf in a University setting...so does this professor regarding CRT.

Either your for Liberty or your not.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

Just as I believe a professor has the ability.to teach Mein Kampf in a University setting...so does this professor regarding CRT.

Either your for Liberty or your not.

A lovely rebuttal to a point I didn't make. I cited them to prove what CRT is and what it teaches, and that it was congruent to what I posted. And it is.

 

[CornusKousa]

I don't use one lens that is racist.....my pb&j sandwich today wasn't racist or made from racism....the math I did in math class in high school wasn't racist.

Even my history teacher, who left out most of the details of black history (and other types of history as well) wasn't a racist...that teacher was systematic leaving out details as a result of the system of education that informs all teachers that one paragraph is the only paragraph they will teach. Better teachers, I've heard there are a few around, did dive more deeply into "real" history. Teachers have limits, systemic limits....in how they were educated, in what they can present due to curriculum controlled and enforced by Administration (Principles, School Boards) and the parents, who still exercise significant influence....these are systemic limits. Parents are only as informed as their education....they were exposed to the same systemic limits that did not teach accurate history.

Only, when you leave the realm of public funding for education do you start to get the real deal and even then, not everywhere and during every generation. It is baked into the system....

So then just update the curriculum from 1950.... still just regular ass history.

No race theories, no race anything needed for history.

CRT isn't a curriculum at all so it could never be taught as such...

No, it's a perspective, it's a way to view the world... it's a hyper racialized view.

it is a conglomeration of accurate research that identifies how those who ran the society long ago set the agenda for public schools, govt, police and other entities....that systematically had racism built into it... because their view were white centric (that's where racism gets it start).

That is not even close to what the people who outlined and are promoting it say it is.

That's also not where racism gets a start. Racism starts in the home.

Nothing wrong with white centric views, whiteness or white people either.

They are part of the mix.

Has this diminished over the years, last ten year.... absolutely!
And we have a long way to go...the evident is right here on this board.

"long way to go" to what?

Till whiteness and white people are eliminated?? You guys get the racial segregation you're after???

 

[WillJ8787]

So then just update the curriculum from 1950.... still just regular ass history.



No, it's a perspective, it's a way to view the world... it's a hyper racialized view.



That is not even close to what the people who outlined and are promoting it say it is.

That's also not where racism gets a start. Racism starts in the home.

Nothing wrong with white centric views, whiteness or white people either.

They are part of the mix.



"long way to go" to what?

Till whiteness and white people are eliminated?? You guys get the racial segregation you're after???

Yes, racism does start and get passed on generationally in the home as well as in public and in institutions....after all....racists and dicriminatory folks occupy all these places.

No, not til all whites are gone, that wouldn't be a good thing....til whites recognize they are just a small part of the make up of this country and the opportunities and results of those opportunities are on par with the make up of all folks.

 

[YDB95]

My synopsis of CRT comes directly from boosters of the crackpot ideology itself.

Or rather from your self-serving misinterpretation thereof. That's why you doctored your quote from Stefanic and Delgado.

And CRT does not tech wht you say, it teaches what I posted. And they don't even try to prove its veracity, that is simply assumed.

If you believe they "don't even try to prove its veracity", you must not have read Delgado and Stefanic beyond that one quote you love to take out of context. And I repeat my question: why do you have a problem with trying to address the realities of racism and its lingering effects on our country?

And CRT denies that any advancement has been made. None.

Not true at all. Whether or not progress has been made is neither here nor there with respect to the tenets of CRT.

It also rejects civil rights, neutral principles of law and rationality. Those used to be liberal values. Alas, no more.

CRT does not "reject civil rights"; it simply takes a different approach to addressing racism than the civil rights movement did. As for "neutral principles of law and rationality", that is exactly what CRT aims to achieve. The only way you could say it "rejects" them is inasmuch as it recognizes that, for Black Americans, they never existed in the first place. Unfortunately, that's true.

Yet what you post from the experts says the opposite. You're literally quoting things you don't understand and prove you wrong.

He does that all the time, almost always with that same quote, too.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

Yes, racism does start and get passed on generationally in the home s.well as in public and institutions....after all....racists and dicriminatory folks occupy all these places.

No,.not til all white are gone....til whites recognize they are just a small part of the make up of this country and the opportunities and results.of those opportunities are on par with the make up of all folks.

CRT isn't about equal opportunity. Not even close. It's about equal racial outcomes.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

Or rather from your self-serving misinterpretation thereof. That's why you doctored your quote from Stefanic and Delgado.




If you believe they "don't even try to prove its veracity", you must not have read Delgado and Stefanic beyond that one quote you love to take out of context. And I repeat my question: why do you have a problem with trying to address the realities of racism and its lingering effects on our country?



Not true at all. Whether or not progress has been made is neither here nor there with respect to the tenets of CRT.



CRT does not "reject civil rights"; it simply takes a different approach to addressing racism than the civil rights movement did. As for "neutral principles of law and rationality", that is exactly what CRT aims to achieve. The only way you could say it "rejects" them is inasmuch as it recognizes that, for Black Americans, they never existed in the first place. Unfortunately, that's true.




He does that all the time, almost always with that same quote, too.

Each and every word untrue, as I'm sure you know.

 

[WillJ8787]

CRT isn't about equal opportunity. Not even close. It's about equal racial outcomes.

Sure it is....it's about both. Just like CRT and Civil Rights are one and the same.

Equal opportunity under CRT...each person has a chance, not based on race or ethnicity.

Equal outcomes....not needed if equal opportunity exists and can be measured to determine.if it actually is being achieved. It does not mean,.govt steps in and makes equal results....that is just boohocky.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

Sure it is....it's about both. Just like CRT and Civil Rights are one and the same.

Equal opportunity under CRT...each person has a chance, not based on race or ethnicity.

Equal outcomes....not needed if equal opportunity exists and can be measured to determine.if it actually is being achieved. It does not mean,.govt steps in and makes equal results....that is just boohocky.

You can't have both. More from Delgado and Stefancic:

“Crits are also highly suspicious of another liberal mainstay, namely, rights.”

From Critical Race Theory: An Introduction, by Richard Delgado and Jean Stefancic, first edition, p. 23.

And here's another CRT high priest, Ibram Kendi:

"The only remedy to racist discrimination is antiracist discrimination. The only remedy to past discrimination is present discrimination. The only remedy to present discrimination is future discrimination."

Does that sound like equality to you? Because to me, it sounds like the Klan with a Tan.

 

[YDB95]

Each and every word untrue, as I'm sure you know.

And that's why you don't even try to refute any of it?

 

[Bud_Spencer]

And that's why you don't even try to refute any of it?

Why? You didn't do anything to support your assertions, why should I pit anytime into refuting it? I gave it all the thought it warranted, maybe more.

 

[WillJ8787]

It funny to me all this back and forth...because if CRT and/or a more thorough History of civil rights were taught in public K12 schools what would happen?

a whole lot of nothing. A few more folks would become more involved and open to the ideas

It reminds me of when I was a kid and civil rights was just starting to be taught in K12. People thought it was the end of the world and that blacks would be taking over....it didn't happen. It went from being very unacceptable to date or marry out of ones race to a few folks here and there dating interracially. Today, it is fairly acceptable to marry out of ones "race".

This whole discussion is much adu about nothing

 

[Bud_Spencer]

It funny to me all this back and forth...because if CRT and/or a more thorough History of civil rights were taught in public K12 schools what would happen?

a whole lot of nothing. A few more folks would become more involved and open to the ideas

It reminds me of when I was a kid and civil rights was just starting to be taught in K12. People thought it was the end of the world and that blacks would be taking over....it didn't happen. It went from being very unacceptable to date or marry out of ones race to a few folks here and there dating interracially. Today, it is fairly acceptable to marry out of ones "race".

This whole discussion is much adu about nothing

CRT is being taught, or rather, it's being used as a lens to interpret each and every subject in K-12.

 

[Sean Renaud]

CRT is being taught, or rather, it's being used as a lens to interpret each and every subject in K-12.

No it really isn't and can't even be applied to every subject even if people wanted to.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

No it really isn't and can't even be applied to every subject even if people wanted to.

It can and is. Not only that, but school governance is being driven by it. What do you think is behind all of the schools doing away with AP classes, advanced math, placement exams, etc? A: Equity, the ultimate goal of CRT.

 

[Sean Renaud]

It can and is. Not only that, but school governance is being driven by it. What do you think is behind all of the schools doing away with AP classes, advanced math, placement exams, etc? A: Equity, the ultimate goal of CRT.

No it cannot be. You cannot apply it to math, science, English. You can train to apply it to economics. No on is doing away with AP classes or advanced math. Where are you getting this nonsense?

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

It can and is. Not only that, but school governance is being driven by it. What do you think is behind all of the schools doing away with AP classes, advanced math, placement exams, etc? A: Equity, the ultimate goal of CRT.

How does it link to removing AP classes and how would that lead to equal outcomes??

 

[YDB95]

What do you think is behind all of the schools doing away with AP classes, advanced math, placement exams, etc?

If that is even true (I'm certainly not about to take your word for it), my guess would be it's the fruit of 40 years of cutting spending to the bone. But either way, CRT has nothing whatsoever to do with what you're implying here.

 

[CornusKousa]

No it cannot be. You cannot apply it to math, science, English.

California, Chicago, Portland OR.....saw links to Seattle and NYC too but I figured 3 was enough. If you want the entire list Goggle has it.

CRT/SJW/"progressive" whack jobs on how math is racist.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/california-leftists-try-to-cancel-math-class-11621355858
https://katu.com/news/local/debate-emerges-over-racism-and-white-supremacy-in-math-instruction
https://www.chicagotribune.com/lifestyles/sns-tns-bc-edu-math-racist-20191010-story.html


Got them for pretty much every other class too.

CRT says inequity = RACISM!!!

Couldn't POSSIBLY be that the Asian/white kids have significantly higher rates of having 2 parents who give a shit.... why do any self reflection when you can blame it on the evil white prwivwige boogieman and just be a victim of your skin color?