Criminal Penalties In General.

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

State prison is expensive in many ways. County jail is expensive, too. And criminals diss the probation system. So what's the solution?

How about a cash performance bond?

When you get tagged for 'whatever' the judge offers you the bond option. Say...ONE MILLION for a murder, and ONE THOUSAND for simple possession. You get to stay out of jail for the duration of your sentence, and if you dont get pinched for another felony, youre only out the cost of the bond.

 

[elsol]

State prison is expensive in many ways. County jail is expensive, too. And criminals diss the probation system. So what's the solution?

How about a cash performance bond?

When you get tagged for 'whatever' the judge offers you the bond option. Say...ONE MILLION for a murder, and ONE THOUSAND for simple possession. You get to stay out of jail for the duration of your sentence, and if you dont get pinched for another felony, youre only out the cost of the bond.

Let me see if get this right... if I have a million dollars, I get to kill someone and get a 'Stay Out Of Jail' card.

Seriously... JBJ.

I mean, fucking seriously!

Yes, I would absolutely one hundred percent happily turn over a million dollars if I had it to kill 1 person in the US. In fact, if we do enact this... I guarantee that I'll make that million just to kill somebody.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

ELSOL

Uh...how is it different from now? If you have a million dollars you stay out of jail if you kill someone. My way the government gets the money, not your lawyer. We cut out the BS. If youre innocent you can still hire a lawyer. If youre not, you pay and leave....juts like now.

 

[Selena_Kitt]

OJ already did that...

 

[Boxlicker101]

State prison is expensive in many ways. County jail is expensive, too. And criminals diss the probation system. So what's the solution?

How about a cash performance bond?

When you get tagged for 'whatever' the judge offers you the bond option. Say...ONE MILLION for a murder, and ONE THOUSAND for simple possession. You get to stay out of jail for the duration of your sentence, and if you dont get pinched for another felony, youre only out the cost of the bond.

This doesn't make any sense. What you are saying is that a very rich person could kill anybody they wanted, plead guilty, and pungle up one million dollars. Presumably, the sentence would be life, so the killer would never get the money back, but upon death, it would revert to the estate.

Bad enough there are two sysems already, one for rich and the other for non-rich, without codifying it.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

BOXLICKER

I say make some money...at least. Right now the lawyers get the money, not society. And either way...theyre back on the street pretty damn quick.

Otherwise, I say hang every felon.

 

[Boxlicker101]

BOXLICKER

I say make some money...at least. Right now the lawyers get the money, not society. And either way...theyre back on the street pretty damn quick.

Otherwise, I say hang every felon.

You might be confusing a bond and a fine. A fine is money you pay over to the gov't. A bond is money you leave with a third party and, if you do what you say, or don't do what you say you won't, you get it back.

Besides that, rich people will still lawyer up, pay the shyster, and get away with it. The difference is that if you murder somebody and are acquitted, you can inherit from that person or collect life insurance. If you are convicted, you can't do either.

 

[Katyusha]

State prison is expensive in many ways. County jail is expensive, too. And criminals diss the probation system. So what's the solution?

How about a cash performance bond?

When you get tagged for 'whatever' the judge offers you the bond option. Say...ONE MILLION for a murder, and ONE THOUSAND for simple possession. You get to stay out of jail for the duration of your sentence, and if you dont get pinched for another felony, youre only out the cost of the bond.

Actually, I think parole ought to be done away with and prison should be reserved for those who commit violent crimes such as murder, assault and battery, armed robbery, burglary, etc., because these people need to be taken off the street.

For all other crimes, such as possession or sale of an illegal substance, all white collar crimes, etc., the fines should be through the roof. Hit people where it's going to hurt, where it will cost you much more to get caught than it will to successfully commit the crime. Our fines for just about anything are a joke, which is why people are so willing to pay them and continue to commit the crime. Prison is a joke too and has been for a long time.

For DUI crimes, I think that not only should the fines be through the roof, but also that there should be zero tolerance, as in, you get convicted of a DUI you get your license revoked and you lose your car, without any second chances. You're also put into a system that prevents you from buying or renting a car ever again. I've had people tell me that that isn't fair to the drunk drivers' families, that it would produce an undue hardship on them...I say these idiots need to think about their families before they go out to a bar or to a party and drink all night.

I'm a hardliner when it comes to crime and I don't see why our justice system is so soft, or why people want to be soft on criminals. If we want to solve crime...we need to make penalties much, much stiffer, and in many cases, making it all about money instead of time served and community service would more than likely help quite a bit. JMO

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

BOXLICKER

I know what bonds and fines are. When I wrote 'performance bond' I meant a bond. But you pay a fine for a low-grade felony or misdeamenor. It's all a matter of if and when the money is forfeited. Most people can get 1000 dollars to pay a possession fine. Most people cannot get ONE MILLION to pay a murder bond, but they often have enough collateral to get someone else to post the bond. If they pay the ONE MILLION fine they dont require a bond. If they opt for the bond they have to be good for the duration of the sentence or they go to prison and forfeit the bond.

 

[Pure]

i think you're partially on the right track, jbj. but i concur with katyusha. have the non jail alternatives for the nonviolent and/or not physicially injurious crimes.

in line with your position, i wonder if you're aware of the Marquis de Sade's position on murder. no laws. no legal penalty. think about it. intriguing!