Creative writing or Precursor to another Columbine?

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Family sues after creative writing assignment lands teen in psych ward


(Court TV) — Minnesota high school student David Riehm bristled at his creative writing teacher's stinging comments at the bottom of his assignment.

"David, I am offended by this piece. If this needs to be your subject matter, you're going to have to find another teacher," Ann Mershon's critiqu e began.

The 17-year-old's satirical fable concerned a boy who awoke from a wet dream, slipped rear-end first onto a toy cone, and then had his head crushed "in a misty red explosion" under the tires of a school bus.

"I'm actually a little concerned about your obsessive focus on sex and potty language. Make a change — today!" Mershon warned.


David did not make a change. The poetry, scripts and songs he loved to write typically earned him praise from friends and family. Mershon's rebuke only roused him to rebel against her in two more essays over the course of the term.


"Bowling for Cuntcheson," a vivid dream-within-a-dream about a boy who finds a gun under a church pew and shoots his teacher, "Mrs. Cuntcheson," so frightened Mershon that she alerted the school administration.


"I felt threatened and violated by this thinly veiled fictional account of revenge against me," Mershon wrote in a statement to authorities. "I immediately had anxieties, which I have struggled with since reading the story. It scared me, it hurt me, and it also makes me very concerned for David."


David was suspended on Jan. 24, 2005. The next night, three men — a Cook County deputy sheriff, a state trooper and a social worker — showed up at Colleen Riehm's home on the Grand Portage Indian Reservation with a court order to seize her son and commit him to a psychiatric ward 150 miles away in Duluth. (David's stepfather is Native American, but David is not enrolled in any tribe.)


With no room at the juvenile facility, David was temporarily placed in the adult unit.


"He was scared to death," David's attorney told Courttv.com. "He didn't know what was going to happen from one minute to the next."


A physician later determined David was neither mentally ill nor dangerous, and more than 100 letters of support, written by classmates, faculty and parents, were presented at a court hearing, his attorney said.


David was ordered released from the hospital 72 hours after he had been taken into custody. His mother received $6,000 in medical bills.


Colleen and David Riehm filed a civil suit last month against his former teacher, the principal, and other county officials alleging numerous violations of David's constitutional rights, including freedom of speech, due process, and protection from unreasonable seizure, false imprisonment, and negligent confinement.


"Throwing a kid into a mental hospital for what he writes and not for what he does is unconscionable and unacceptable," Riehm's attorney Peter Nickitas told Courttv.com. "I would expect to see something like this in a book by George Orwell or Franz Kafka or an excerpt from the 'Gulag Archipelago,' but this happened in Minnesota in 2005."


It has also happened in Texas, Kansas, Louisiana and public schools across the nation.


"I wish I could say that this is an isolated incident. I wish I could say this shocks me," said David Hudson, a professor and First Amendment Center research attorney. "But the sad thing is, there have been similar incidents where students have been punished for creative writing."


Hudson is the author of several books including "The Silencing of Student Voices: Preserving Free Speech in America's Schools" and a September 2005 First Amendment Center report on "Student Expression in the Age of Columbine."


"To me," Hudson said, "it sounds like a classic Columbine overreaction."

Security vs. free speech

Colorado seniors Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris expressed their revenge fantasies in class assignments, videos and online journals as a prelude to their shooting rampage, killing 13 people before committing suicide at Columbine High School in 1999.

In response, many schools have adopted a zero tolerance policy on drugs, weapons and, in some cases, speech.

Has freedom of expression become a common casualty in the post-Columbine era?

Hudson's report points to cases in Texas where a middle school student was held in juvenile detention for six days in 1999 for a Halloween essay for which he received an "A"; in Kansas, where an honors student was expelled in 2000 for her poem "Who Killed My Dog?" about seeking revenge against someone who killed her dog; and in Louisiana, where a student was punished in 2001 for a two-year-old drawing he created at home that pictured his school under attack.

"Certainly you have to keep students safe," Hudson says. "You cannot sacrifice student safety, but there's got to be a way to protect student speech in addition to protecting safety. I don't think you should brand them as the next Dylan Klebold or Eric Harris."

In David's case, he had "no juvenile delinquency record, no history of mental illness, nor any history of mental health counseling," according to his complaint. But in other cases, that information alone may not mean much to concerned school officials.

"There is no accurate or useful profile of 'the school shooter,'" says a 2002 U.S. Secret Service report on "Preventing School Shootings."

The report cites a study of 37 school shootings involving 41 attackers in which rich, poor, failing and excelling students were among those who took arms against their classmates. All were boys, and few had been diagnosed with any mental disorder before the incident.

Riehm's case, however, is also aided by the fact that the authorities allegedly made no effort to determine whether he needed counseling before he was seized in front of his mother.

Cook County High School principal John Engelking did not return calls for comment.

Mershon, who is reportedly teaching abroad and was unreachable, told the Duluth News-Tribune last year that she could not legally discuss her side of the story.

"All I can say is that it's been really painful," Mershon was quoted as saying in the article. "I know I did what I needed to do, and the district did what it needed to do. Mandatory reporting is a pretty serious issue. It's not something that is taken lightly."

Cook County City Attorney William Hennessy stands by the county's actions.

"We don't feel that we've done anything significantly wrong," Hennessy told Courttv.com. "Look at what happened at Red Lake. That's the kind of thing we're trying to prevent."

Hennessy was referring to the massacre on an Indian reservation in northern Minnesota in March 2005, when 16-year-old Jeff Weise killed nine people before he shot himself at Red Lake High School.

Nickitas says such comparisons are unmerited in David's case.

He also points out that three months lapsed between the time David turned in "Bowling for Cuntcheson" in October 2004 and the time his teacher read it in late January. During that period, David had not acted on any of his fictional revenge tales, nor was he ever in trouble at school.

An effort should have been made to sit down with David, to get him counseling, or at least talk to his mother, Nickitas argues.

Hennessy agrees that conferring with David's mother may have been a prudent choice.

"But I don't know in this case if it would have made a difference. She wasn't very cooperative," he said.

Colleen Riehm declined to be interviewed.

After graduating with a 2.98 GPA from Cook County High, David Riehm has started a new life at college, his attorney says.

As a teen, David surmised in one of his essays that he wrote about "violence, language, sexual content" because it was ever present in the news, movies, and cartoons he watched. Now, as a freshman at the University of Wisconsin, majoring in film development, he may have the opportunity to broaden his world perspective while learning to express himself through film.

"Usually I am thinking about life in general," David wrote, "and you know, life is not G-rated."

Essays in Question

Discuss.
 
David was suspended on Jan. 24, 2005. The next night, three men — a Cook County deputy sheriff, a state trooper and a social worker — showed up at Colleen Riehm's home on the Grand Portage Indian Reservation with a court order to seize her son and commit him to a psychiatric ward 150 miles away in Duluth.


this is insane.
Unless they were there to arrest him, by law, they had no right to take him unless they appeared with a warrant from a judge. And I doubt that they did.

I hope the court nails all of them for it, but I doubt that too... they have immunity and pretty much any civil court will throw this out *sigh*

so much for freedom of speech...

so much for freedom from undue process...

so much for freedom from "guilty until proven innocent..."

so much for freedom... :rolleyes:
 
People like to feel safe.

And many are too willing to do anything to feel safe.

I'll comment further when I'm awake enough to do so rationally.
 
Freedom of speech is necessary, but I also feel a hell of a lot of support for the poor teacher who's stuck between a rock and a hard place.

The Earl
 
hmmmm

well, the first story John Redfield is a bit disturbed, possibly sick.

http://www.courttv.com/news/riehm/docs/essays.html

not all that 'creative', imo, though that's pretty subjective.


the third piece, iirc, is on Mrs. Cuntcheson,

http://www.courttv.com/news/riehm/docs/essays.html?page=3

a not veiled attack on the teacher as not understanding anything, being nasty and narrowminded.

"I am an old cranky teacher. I am old fashioned, and I have a narrow mind set."

a somewhat unstable sounding, nasty response, that should have set some talks in motion.

perhaps crossing the line, is at p. 13 where he describes the job of putting a bullet in mrs. cuntcheson's eye

http://www.courttv.com/news/riehm/docs/essays.html?page=13

"I squeezed the trigger and my heart lifted briefly, only to be yanked back down to reality. I winced, but she winced more as the bullet replaced her left eye. in an instant a red mist was produced from the wound, followed by a stead[y] flow of blood, tissue and bone fragments. I felt the mist speckle my face [[nice sentence]]. The splatter distance was incredible."


I don't think one can judge 'danger' by writing (else we're all pretty dangerous, around here, besides lewd and lascivious).

First: One has to watch kids *when they start buy knives and guns, and making bombs in the garage*--- that's where a critical line is crossed.

Second: Actual threats count also, in terms of crossing the legal line: "I will kill you" or "You will die." AT first, "mrs cuntsheson" is mainly just insult and ridicule, then it turns to a fictional killing. I can see a teacher getting nervous.

So, counselling, I think. A story of some enemy killed is does not quite rise to the level of a crime, afaik.
 
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This happened to my friend about five years ago when he was in school. He was going through a tough family situation, involving custody, abuse, etc . . .

He was given a creative writing assignment and wrote something similar to what was described. Rather graphic and detailed, but fiction. The teacher loved the piece, but the people he was staying with saw it as a threat, similar to the teacher in Abs' post. They had him commited to a psych hospital where he was later found to be normal. This hasn't gone away for him really. He still worries when he fills out applications about the back ground check and whether that shows up or not. He was picked up from school by the police when it happened.
 
This is typical of paranoia on the part of certain people. Certain people will see ANYTHING as a threat, on the slimmest pretext. The fact that our society is becoming obsessed with eradicating images of sex and violence doesn't help. It is, frankly, IMO, the fullfilment of Nietzsche's prediction about the values of the herd. Our society is becoming the "herd" in question, tame, meek, and emasculated. It is a sad thing for a great Republic.
 
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SelenaKittyn said:
this is insane.
Unless they were there to arrest him, by law, they had no right to take him unless they appeared with a warrant from a judge. And I doubt that they did.

I hope the court nails all of them for it, but I doubt that too... they have immunity and pretty much any civil court will throw this out *sigh*

so much for freedom of speech...

so much for freedom from undue process...

so much for freedom from "guilty until proven innocent..."

so much for freedom... :rolleyes:


Actually, you can be confined for up to two weeks in a crisis unit if you are 2 PCed. Basically, if two liscenced physisicans agree that you are a threat to yourself or others and sign off, you can be involunatrily commmited.

I would assume, the young man was 2 PCed based on the implied threat in his story about shooting a teacher.

Speeechi is free. Threatening someone, is not covered by free speech.

If he was not 2PCed, then the family has a very good case. If he was, then they will probably only have the medical bills wiped out. When you are 2PCed, you automatically become a ward of the state for the duration of your time in crisis and the state, since they put you there, are obligated to pay the bills.
 
SEVERUSMAX said:
This is typical of paranoia on the part of certain people. Certain people will see ANYTHING as a threat, on the slimmest pretext. The fact that our society is becoming obsessed with eradicating images of sex and violence doesn't help. It is, frankly, IMO, the fullfilment of Nietzsche's prediction about the values of the herd. Our society is becoming the "herd" in question, tame, meek, and emasculated. It is a sad thing for a great Republic.


You are on the edge though, with this case. If for example, I am having a nasty war of words with you, and I post a story about a frustrated, red headed author, who has sex with a hacker to look up her rival's personal info, and then goes and shoot sher with a 7mm at 300 yards then kills herself.

I can claim it's just an erotic story iowth a sad ending. Freedom of speech and expression.

You however, could point out legitimately that the person of the main character is me and the person of the doomed antagonist is you.

You could support that with

A. Physical descriptions

B. the sex not being of my usual genre

C. The fact I own a 7mm and am quirte capable of hitting a human sized target at 300 yards.

Am I threatening you in a veiled manner or is it just a story? People who know me or you or the situation, might readily agree it's just a story. Law enforcement, would only have the story and your assertion it was an implied threat. Wouldn't help my cause that I am on psychoactive medication.

In basic then, Law enforcement is in an untennable situation. If they don't act, and I show up and blast you then myself, they will be crucified. If they do act, they will face at the least a law suit and some unasty publicity.

Free speech or threat of violence? We, as society, are asking the law enforcement establishment to make a call. I don't see that they have much choice in the matter. If they don't err on the side of caution. If you err one way, someone, often multiple someones and the disturbed person die. If you err the other way, someone gets scared, ends up in treatment and confined when they should not be, but no one is burried.

Expecting law enforcement, or even doctors,, to make the right call in every situation is unreasonable. Ecpecting them to err on the side of caution seems reasonable to me wehn push comes to shove.
 
Colleen Thomas said:
Am I threatening you in a veiled manner or is it just a story? People who know me or you or the situation, might readily agree it's just a story. Law enforcement, would only have the story and your assertion it was an implied threat. Wouldn't help my cause that I am on psychoactive medication.

The teacher's case is helped a lot by the fact that the boy's story wasn't designed for public consumption, but actually as an exercise that would be primarily read by her.

I think the reaction by the authorities is extreme here, but the teacher is well within her rights to feel scared and threatened by that.

The Earl
 
TheEarl said:
The teacher's case is helped a lot by the fact that the boy's story wasn't designed for public consumption, but actually as an exercise that would be primarily read by her.

I think the reaction by the authorities is extreme here, but the teacher is well within her rights to feel scared and threatened by that.

The Earl


For me, it was extreme only if the boy wasn't 2PCed. If law enforcement took this action without consulting mental health professionals, then they were negligent and over reacted. If 2 mental health professionals read the boy's stories, were appraised of the situation and saw enough disorganization in the works to indicate possible mental illness, then the authorites acted appropraitely.

72 hours in lock down isn't going to kill him. If his violent fantasies were more than just a kid rebelling, 72 hours sitting on your hands might well have rsulted in the teacher's death.

I don't have any illusions about the infallibility of Mental health professionals, but there are certain triggers you can find in the writings of disturbed people, that are indicative of a problem. Not absolute indicators, but strongly indicative.
 
There's no easy formula for these cases. Obviously there was a build up of tension and animosity between the teacher and the student over time- this is exactly the situation in which real violence sometimes breaks out. It's not unreasonable for the teacher to feel threatened. The authorities have fairly limited avenues of response available to them, depending on how cooperative the boy and his family were willing to be. If they were not in a cooperative posture, involuntary commitment is about the only route to evaluation. I would say that the school and legal authorities had an obligation, at the point the teacher complained, to make that evaluation.
The zone in which flexibility was both desirable and possible came before the teacher's complaint. The teacher ought to have engaged the school counselor at a much earlier stage, and the rest of this might well have been avoided altogether.
 
My concern was in his writings. This is an angry child. I shudder to think that if the teacher didn't see the red flags and something terrible came from it, then she would be blamed for not reporting it.
As a mother I find this disturbing and would question what is going on in my child's head. Yes, I do believe in freedom of speech, Yes, I'm against censorship but my children's welfare comes first as well as my own.

But seriously, if this kid turned 18 and posted that story here, don't you think it would be met with some concern?
 
ABSTRUSE said:
My concern was in his writings. This is an angry child. I shudder to think that if the teacher didn't see the red flags and something terrible came from it, then she would be blamed for not reporting it.
As a mother I find this disturbing and would question what is going on in my child's head. Yes, I do believe in freedom of speech, Yes, I'm against censorship but my children's welfare comes first as well as my own.

But seriously, if this kid turned 18 and posted that story here, don't you think it would be met with some concern?


The problem is we write fiction. People tend to assume a lot about you from your works. Often times the assumptions are laughably comical. I've had people assume among other things I was a male, I was cheating on my husband, I was a domme, etc.

There's a fine line in there, as a lot of adolescents write angry, violent or sexually charged things. This case seems to me to be more than a rebellious young adult rant. Just a surface impression, but I would be willing to bet his works contain one or more triggers MH professionals commonly find in the writings of disturbed persons.
 
Colleen Thomas said:
The problem is we write fiction. People tend to assume a lot about you from your works. Often times the assumptions are laughably comical. I've had people assume among other things I was a male, I was cheating on my husband, I was a domme, etc.

There's a fine line in there, as a lot of adolescents write angry, violent or sexually charged things. This case seems to me to be more than a rebellious young adult rant. Just a surface impression, but I would be willing to bet his works contain one or more triggers MH professionals commonly find in the writings of disturbed persons.
I think, IMO, he's a rather immature young adult. Makes you wonder how many others are out there writing like that and if this is proof that sex and violence in the media have an impact on children?
 
ABSTRUSE said:
I think, IMO, he's a rather immature young adult. Makes you wonder how many others are out there writing like that and if this is proof that sex and violence in the media have an impact on children?


Watterson once did a cartoon where Calvin used a fighter jet to blow his school up. Parents and educators squawked and several papers canceled Calvin.

His observation was, I think profound.

"I wonder if any of these adults ever really were children?"

The implication there was that anyone who ever went to school had fantasies of blowig it up and having uninterrupted summer break year round.

It's hard being an adolescent. I think anger and fear arise from confusion, and that comes from growing up. Kids rebell against authority. I'm sure the diaries and note books of practically every one who ever kept one though that period have some darkness, anger etc.

I don't think violence or sex in the media, video games or on tv have anything to do with it. I think it's natural, as people make the move from choldhood to adulthood.

I think adults are sometimes hard pressd to remember what it's lik ebeing a teenager. Our thought patterns have changed, and we see things in a longer term. So being crushed and thinking life wasn't worth living because your sweetheart dumnped you seems rather rediculous. But at the time it was earth shattering.

We have to make an effort, to cut them some slack and remember how we thought back then. I think Sax & Violins on TV is a convientnt boogeyman for us. It explains things that simply make no sense to us now. And it's very difficult to think back, renounce our maturity, and look at things through the eyes of someone who dosen't have the wealth of experience we have all compliled.
 
Colleen Thomas said:
Watterson once did a cartoon where Calvin used a fighter jet to blow his school up. Parents and educators squawked and several papers canceled Calvin.

His observation was, I think profound.

"I wonder if any of these adults ever really were children?"

The implication there was that anyone who ever went to school had fantasies of blowig it up and having uninterrupted summer break year round.

It's hard being an adolescent. I think anger and fear arise from confusion, and that comes from growing up. Kids rebell against authority. I'm sure the diaries and note books of practically every one who ever kept one though that period have some darkness, anger etc.

I don't think violence or sex in the media, video games or on tv have anything to do with it. I think it's natural, as people make the move from choldhood to adulthood.

I think adults are sometimes hard pressd to remember what it's lik ebeing a teenager. Our thought patterns have changed, and we see things in a longer term. So being crushed and thinking life wasn't worth living because your sweetheart dumnped you seems rather rediculous. But at the time it was earth shattering.

We have to make an effort, to cut them some slack and remember how we thought back then. I think Sax & Violins on TV is a convientnt boogeyman for us. It explains things that simply make no sense to us now. And it's very difficult to think back, renounce our maturity, and look at things through the eyes of someone who dosen't have the wealth of experience we have all compliled.
You're so smart. :rose:
 
ABSTRUSE said:
As a teen, David surmised in one of his essays that he wrote about "violence, language, sexual content" because it was ever present in the news, movies, and cartoons he watched.

Because it was ever present in the news, movies, and cartoons he watched... my ass! He was a big-mouthed teenager who thought that he was untouchable, and he wrote those essays to provoke his teacher.

And fancy that - she WAS provoked! And he ended up in trouble. I say, good! Let him suffer for his mistake. At that age, he should have known better.

We're way to forgiving to teens and youngsters who behave badly. They should suffer the consequences for their actions, to teach not only them but also their friends what happends if you're a smartass.

And with all the violence and killing, you'd think he'd be smart enough to tell that if he shows off as a psycho, then he's gonna get treated like a psycho!

I think the whole ordeal served him right. He was scared? Good. Then atleast one teen won't be an asshole again.
 
nice, sf,

i too think his 'creativity' was overrated-- despite reports of his family's admiration!

:rose:
 
Svenskaflicka said:
Because it was ever present in the news, movies, and cartoons he watched... my ass! He was a big-mouthed teenager who thought that he was untouchable, and he wrote those essays to provoke his teacher.

And fancy that - she WAS provoked! And he ended up in trouble. I say, good! Let him suffer for his mistake. At that age, he should have known better.

We're way to forgiving to teens and youngsters who behave badly. They should suffer the consequences for their actions, to teach not only them but also their friends what happends if you're a smartass.

And with all the violence and killing, you'd think he'd be smart enough to tell that if he shows off as a psycho, then he's gonna get treated like a psycho!

I think the whole ordeal served him right. He was scared? Good. Then atleast one teen won't be an asshole again.

The problem with that approach, Flicka, is that some teens do have mental problems. If you ignore the warning signs, they will, in many cases, hurt themselves or others.

That's why I really wondered if the kid was 2PCed. Certain mental illnessess show up in traits of the writer. I don't know all the signs, but I do know Schizod affected people write in a certain way, that a professional can diagnos tenatively just from reading something they have written. :ikewise, much ot the private world of paranoids, Schophreia, and demntia can come out in your writing.

Obviously, more than a sample of your writing is needed to make a diagnosis, but if you display writing characteristics of, say a Schizod-affected, the subject matter is violent responses to a percieved antagonist AND that situation is mirrored in your real life situation, a doctor would have to act.

In this case, it sounds very much like your take, just a teenager acting the fool is probably correct. It's probably correct ninety nine times in one hundered. But the one time it isn't, it can be deadly. Can educators, parents or law enforcement afford to take that risk?

Glad I don't have to make that call.
 
I can't remember NOT having angry thoughts about teachers, parents, etc. I can't remember NOT putting some anger down in terms of writing or visual images at one point or another. I also can't remember making plans to actually ACT on such impulses, even as a teen. Why? Because I knew the difference between reality and fantasy. Even today, I have characters based on former teachers in futuristic stories getting what they deserved for being such ....insert not so PC language here about the "fairer" sex. The key is that it was and is a release for me to put it down in fiction , instead of ACTING on my irritation. I would never actually make myself warlord of a large part of the country (barring an extreme situation like a collapse of civilization), have my former teachers arrested, and sentence them to live together in a lesbian BDSM relationship. But that is close to what happens in one of my stories (which I don't think is on this site).

My point is that society has become jittery about any kind of violent, hyperbolic rhetoric and any kind of rough or kinky sex. Anything that doesn't conform to the herd morality of which Nietzsche warned us is treated with fear and concern. So timid have we become as a society, that essays are now treated as DEATH threats? My fear is that this society is far too worried about the wrong things. We have a crippling deficit, a protracted guerilla war in a remote country, a polluted environment, and Uncle Sam spying on people, but we're paranoid about teenage boys pulling the usual adolescent stunts? Seriously, take a Valium, people!
 
No more Creative Writing?

I suspect that the end result of all these incidents is simply going to be an end to all creative writing classes. I'm a little amazed that they're still around given that schools have erased most other liberal arts classes (art, music, etc.). But either the creative writing teacher has to put the rules in writing up front (no violent stories, no bad language, no sex...), or the school needs to get rid of such classes.

On the one hand, I'm a bit amazed at this teacher's shock over the boy's "potty mouth." Anyone teaching creative writing to teens should know that there will be at least one student who wants to shock with his/her writing. Who thinks no one else has ever written such stuff and he's going to blow the teacher's mind (and the minds of other students if this stuff is read aloud). This was a surpise to her? And telling him she was "shocked" and offended and he should stop it was the best comment she could think to make?

On the other hand, I have to agree that no teacher should feel threatened by any student. And if a student decides to write something so transparent--so clearly a volient threat, if he's going to get off on his power over shocking a teacher and take it to the next level...then he's going to have to suffer the consequences for his stupidity, arrogance and callousness.
 
I can imagine just how dull such classes would be, not discussing anything real or gritty. Teens aren't going to want to write about unicorns, by and large, and they are likely to use profanity. If I were a teacher, I would laugh it off as a teen fantasy, nothing more. Of course, that attitude would probably get me reprimanded or worse by the principal, but I take the view that most times a story is JUST a story. To use Occham's Razor, all else being equal, the simplest explanation tends to be true.
 
Colleen Thomas said:
In this case, it sounds very much like your take, just a teenager acting the fool is probably correct. It's probably correct ninety nine times in one hundered. But the one time it isn't, it can be deadly. Can educators, parents or law enforcement afford to take that risk?

Well, if the kid HAD been mentally instabile, it would have made the arrest and the sending him to a mental hospital even more correct. I say they did the right thing. There was a suspicion that the kid was a nutcase. The hospital determined that no, he wasn't nuts, he was just an obnoxious moron. Good.

If he had been crazy - he'd been stopped in time, before he had the chance to go ona killing spree. Since he was just another juvenile asshole - he got shaken up a bit, which scared him into place.

A win-win situation, if you ask me.
 
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