Creationism.

[Sean Renaud]

Jesus had to die in order to atone for the sins of mankind.

He couldn't have crucified Himself. There's no way to hammer in the last nail.

Dude can turn water into wine, make flasks of everlasting oil, feed dozens with three loaves of bread and five fish. I think he can will a nail into his hand.

 

[Phelia]

Richard Dawkins: There's a massive amount of evidence. I'm sorry, but you people keep repeating that like a kind of mantra because you just listen to each other. I mean if only you would just open your eyes and look at the evidence --

Wendy Wright: Show it to me. Show me the - show me the bones, show me the carcass, show me the evidence of, uh, the in between stage from one species to another.

Richard Dawkins: [....] Almost every fossil you find is intermediate with something and something else --

Wendy Wright: (laughs) If that were the case, the Smithsonian Natural History Museum would be filled with these examples, but instead, they're not.

Richard Dawkins: It is! It is!

Cringe-worthy video.

 

[Phelia]

That being said, believe what you want and be happy. But we're not going to teach it in schools.

 

[Tryharder62]

I suppose you must be right. I am impressed with your knowledge of God, his ways and his purposes. I wish I hadn't been thrown out of church for being queer, then I could know things about God too.

That is what I don't understand. That just sucks. And you can know things about God too. He loves you. Oh that burns my britches.

 

[bitofakate]

That is what I don't understand. That just sucks. And you can know things about God too. He loves you. Oh that burns my britches.

If we hadn't been gay during the sermon, right there in the pew, we might have been allowed to remain through the service. I'm burned because they had already passed the plate. I paid to get kicked out.

 

[kbate]

If we hadn't been gay during the sermon, right there in the pew, we might have been allowed to remain through the service. I'm burned because they had already passed the plate. I paid to get kicked out.

oops. Wrong ID. Planned to use the temp ID to screw with Blobhead and forgot to log back on with this one.

 

[Sean Renaud]

The most important thing to know about God is that he's imaginary. The world will be better off when people stop believing in him at all.

 

[Tryharder62]

That being said, believe what you want and be happy. But we're not going to teach it in schools.

I didn't agree with her stance on the timing in the bible but I say go Wendy Wright in what this video presented. It almost is like there is a fear to discuss both sides of the issue. Instead of letting people discover all sides of the issue only one side is presented.

 

[CandiCame]

LADIKANDI
2.) Just cause someone writes down that the Earth is 4000 years old doesn't make it true. I could write that down, but I prefer to have tangible backup for my claims.

You could write it down and probably do so quite competently BUT, unless you have had The Truth breathed into you from God, then you are just another Deceiver. I'm not saying you are a Deceiver but you would be if you claimed to speak for the Lord. Those people who did write The Bible were the chosen vessels of God.

3.) For someone who is so Bible loving, why are you even on this site? Especially if you are against porn?

There is nothing in The Holy Book against pornography. In fact, God has provided lust in our hearts and made our loins susceptible to - made for - fornication & other sexual acts. I have chosen a form of celibacy developed by a specific Jesuit sect [a four-hundred year old sect based in the Balkans] that frowns on masturbation but acknowledged it as a necessary evil. So, ironically, porn is very important to my lifestyle choice and it helps me stay pure outside of a monogamous, male/female relationship. I have yet to find someone willing to join me on The Path. Once I do I will denounce celibacy and probably only use pornography with my partner. I am particularly turned on by public sex, soft swinging and something new in my life, 'pegging'.

4.) Go ahead and believe the Earth is 4000 years old, I take comfort in science cause I know it always seeks the truth and it likes to test the truth.

I respect your choice to pursue a career in science because eventually you will find it to be a hollow, unfulfiling avocation. Everyone has their own path to The Truth. Mine involved a wrong turn into a particularly ungodly merchant marine crew. I, too, tasted many forbidden fruits and was exposed to bad things (many of which I did). You deserve the chance to experience your preferred route to The Right Way. Bless you and your skepticism.

Who are you to say that this poster hasn't talked to god? Who the hell do you think you are?

 

[Tryharder62]

The most important thing to know about God is that he's imaginary. The world will be better off when people stop believing in him at all.

He isn't imaginary. A lot of critics ask then why doesn't he answer my prayers? The thing is he always answers prayers. He doesn't always do what we want him to do. I am just curious. Anyone can answer. How do you have hope without God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit? Maybe a better way to phrase it is where do you find your hope. I really am interested.

 

[Phelia]

I didn't agree with her stance on the timing in the bible but I say go Wendy Wright in what this video presented. It almost is like there is a fear to discuss both sides of the issue. Instead of letting people discover all sides of the issue only one side is presented.

I'm glad you watched the video, but I consider it to be ten minutes of watching her continue to make ridiculous claims as they're deftly proven to be incorrect. To me, she sounds actually delusional, so I don't think we're going to find a whole lot of common ground here. That said, Dawkins isn't exactly charming in the video. But you have to feel for the guy, a bit.

Not that I think I'm able to change your mind, but did you know that there are plenty of religious leaders who accept evolution? They are content to accept what science has all but proven to be fact and consider the words of the bible to be symbolic/metaphorical. It's not necessarily at odds with your religion to accept what science tells us.

 

[CandiCame]

He isn't imaginary. A lot of critics ask then why doesn't he answer my prayers? The thing is he always answers prayers. He doesn't always do what we want him to do. I am just curious. Anyone can answer. How do you have hope without God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit? Maybe a better way to phrase it is where do you find your hope. I really am interested.

How the fuck does god give you hope? He's like... the least likely guy to have your back. This is a dude who tortured one of his own followers to win a bet. This is a man who set up the murder of his own child. This is something that I never got about Christians. By your own logic, this is not a god that you want on your side.

Grandmother spider- got your back. Bast- got your back. Sekhmut- got your back. The Thunders- got your back. The three sisters- got your back. There are just to many gods out there who don't solve problems by killing their enimies children or send you into the desert for 40 years because your leader hit a rock, to worship one that does. There is no hope with that guy. I've read that book cover to cover and the goddamn bad guy gives you more hope then god does. At least he doesn't bullshit you.

When your god sends his kid out to the desert to starve and your bad guy offers him food, there's something fucking wrong there. When your god wants you to marry your rapist- something is wrong there. Seriously, how did you read that book and get a message of hope from it. I really want to know that.

 

[Sean Renaud]

He isn't imaginary. A lot of critics ask then why doesn't he answer my prayers? The thing is he always answers prayers. He doesn't always do what we want him to do. I am just curious. Anyone can answer. How do you have hope without God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit? Maybe a better way to phrase it is where do you find your hope. I really am interested.

Completely fictional and the sooner everybody gets it the better off we'll all be. Asking why he doesn't answer my prayers is a bit like asking why Beyonce doesn't respond to my fan letters though.

Why would hope be tied to a super natural being of any sort. That concept is silly on it's face and it's similar to asking how can you love without cupid. Intangibles simply are, they don't come from anywhere because they aren't anywhere. They just things we feel.

 

[Tryharder62]

I'm glad you watched the video, but I consider it to be ten minutes of watching her continue to make ridiculous claims as they're deftly proven to be incorrect. To me, she sounds actually delusional, so I don't think we're going to find a whole lot of common ground here. That said, Dawkins isn't exactly charming in the video. But you have to feel for the guy, a bit.

Not that I think I'm able to change your mind, but did you know that there are plenty of religious leaders who accept evolution? They are content to accept what science has all but proven to be fact and consider the words of the bible to be symbolic/metaphorical. It's not necessarily at odds with your religion to accept what science tells us.

Yes, I did know that some religious leaders believe that way.

God created Adam and Eve who fell to sin. Christ came to pay the price for their sin and all sin.

Denying the creation of man by divine and supernatural intervention is denying the need for Christ. Therefore belief in evolution could be compatable with "a" God but not with the God of the Bible, and even less with Christ.

 

[Tryharder62]

Completely fictional and the sooner everybody gets it the better off we'll all be. Asking why he doesn't answer my prayers is a bit like asking why Beyonce doesn't respond to my fan letters though.

Why would hope be tied to a super natural being of any sort. That concept is silly on it's face and it's similar to asking how can you love without cupid. Intangibles simply are, they don't come from anywhere because they aren't anywhere. They just things we feel.

I get what you are saying. I am not saying that your hope has to come from a super natural being. I am just curious as to where people find their hope. I find mine in Jesus Christ, I have been vocal about that. Life is tough and even Christian's struggle. I am just wondering when those who don't believe in Christ have their down times how do you get lifted up?

 

[CandiCame]

I get what you are saying. I am not saying that your hope has to come from a super natural being. I am just curious as to where people find their hope. I find mine in Jesus Christ, I have been vocal about that. Life is tough and even Christian's struggle. I am just wondering when those who don't believe in Christ have their down times how do you get lifted up?

Seriously. How does that work?

 

[Sean Renaud]

I get what you are saying. I am not saying that your hope has to come from a super natural being. I am just curious as to where people find their hope. I find mine in Jesus Christ, I have been vocal about that. Life is tough and even Christian's struggle. I am just wondering when those who don't believe in Christ have their down times how do you get lifted up?

Yes life is tough. Sometimes we don't get lifted up, sometimes we lift ourselves up, sometimes we get some help. Personally I'd find it more upsetting than uplifting that some entity out there either didn't care how fucked my life was or did care and was the cause of it. I can't imagine why so many people who sing from the rooftops about how freedom and how great it is are so willing to drop to their knees in submission.

 

[CandiCame]

Yes life is tough. Sometimes we don't get lifted up, sometimes we lift ourselves up, sometimes we get some help. Personally I'd find it more upsetting than uplifting that some entity out there either didn't care how fucked my life was or did care and was the cause of it. I can't imagine why so many people who sing from the rooftops about how freedom and how great it is are so willing to drop to their knees in submission.

I always thought that they just liked being able to pass the blame.

"I didn't fuck my life up, it's all part of god's divine plan! It's not my fault!"

 

[Tryharder62]

How the fuck does god give you hope? He's like... the least likely guy to have your back. This is a dude who tortured one of his own followers to win a bet. This is a man who set up the murder of his own child. This is something that I never got about Christians. By your own logic, this is not a god that you want on your side.

Grandmother spider- got your back. Bast- got your back. Sekhmut- got your back. The Thunders- got your back. The three sisters- got your back. There are just to many gods out there who don't solve problems by killing their enimies children or send you into the desert for 40 years because your leader hit a rock, to worship one that does. There is no hope with that guy. I've read that book cover to cover and the goddamn bad guy gives you more hope then god does. At least he doesn't bullshit you.

When your god sends his kid out to the desert to starve and your bad guy offers him food, there's something fucking wrong there. When your god wants you to marry your rapist- something is wrong there. Seriously, how did you read that book and get a message of hope from it. I really want to know that.

I know that most people dwell on things that happened in the old testament. Your descriptions make it hard for me to go into the reasoning of what happened. If you can give me names I will try to answer more thoroughly.

I can't help you understand how Jesus Christ changed everthing. It will sound corny but as soon as you asked about my hope this Christian hymn came to mind.

My hope is built on nothing less
Than Jesus' blood and righteousness,
I dare not trust the sweetest frame,
But wholly trust in Jesus' name.

On Christ the solid Rock I stand
All other ground is sinking sand.

When darkness seems to hid His face,
I rest on His unchanging grace.
In every high and stormy gale,
My anchor holds within the veil.

His oath, His covenant, His blood,
Support me in the whelming flood.
When all around my soul gives way.
He then is all my Hope and Stay.

It is just my belief and my hope. What is yours?

 

[CandiCame]

I know that most people dwell on things that happened in the old testament. Your descriptions make it hard for me to go into the reasoning of what happened. If you can give me names I will try to answer more thoroughly.

I can't help you understand how Jesus Christ changed everthing. It will sound corny but as soon as you asked about my hope this Christian hymn came to mind.

My hope is built on nothing less
Than Jesus' blood and righteousness,
I dare not trust the sweetest frame,
But wholly trust in Jesus' name.

On Christ the solid Rock I stand
All other ground is sinking sand.

When darkness seems to hid His face,
I rest on His unchanging grace.
In every high and stormy gale,
My anchor holds within the veil.

His oath, His covenant, His blood,
Support me in the whelming flood.
When all around my soul gives way.
He then is all my Hope and Stay.

It is just my belief and my hope. What is yours?

He killed Job's children to win a bet. He killed all the firstborn in Egypt to prove a point. He killed his own son to prove a point. The guy is a murderer from the old testament to the new. Joseph of "Joseph and the amazing technicolor dreamcoat"'s dad was gonna sell his daughter to her rapist because god told him to. That's one of the laws that god put down. You have to marry your rapist. That's some fucked up shit. Just about everything that god did is fucked up.

"If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her." (Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT)

What kind of lunatic would make a rape victim marry her attacker? Answer: God.

He wants you to punish kids for being born out of wedlock.

So it is with a woman who leaves her husband and presents him with an heir by another man. For first of all, she has disobeyed the law of the Most High; second, she has committed an offense against her husband; and third, through her fornication she has committed adultery and brought forth children by another man. She herself will be brought before the assembly, and her punishment will extend to her children. Her children will not take root, and her branches will not bear fruit. (Sirach 23:22-25 NRSV)

Kill kids because you don't like their parents

At that time Joshua invoked this curse: "May the curse of the LORD fall on anyone who tries to rebuild the city of Jericho. At the cost of his firstborn son, he will lay its foundation. At the cost of his youngest son, he will set up its gates." So the LORD was with Joshua, and his name became famous throughout the land. (Joshua 6:26-27)

Burning kids alive;

Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that is my fellow, saith Jehovah of hosts: smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered; and I will turn my hand upon the little ones. And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith Jehovah, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein. And I will bring the third part into the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried. They shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people; and they shall say, Jehovah is my God. (Zechariah 13:7-9 ASV)

Forces you to eat babies

If you refuse to listen to the LORD your God and to obey the commands and laws he has given you, all these curses will pursue and overtake you until you are destroyed. These horrors will serve as a sign and warning among you and your descendants forever. Because you have not served the LORD your God with joy and enthusiasm for the abundant benefits you have received, you will serve your enemies whom the LORD will send against you. You will be left hungry, thirsty, naked, and lacking in everything. They will oppress you harshly until you are destroyed. "The LORD will bring a distant nation against you from the end of the earth, and it will swoop down on you like an eagle. It is a nation whose language you do not understand, a fierce and heartless nation that shows no respect for the old and no pity for the young. Its armies will devour your livestock and crops, and you will starve to death. They will leave you no grain, new wine, olive oil, calves, or lambs, bringing about your destruction. They will lay siege to your cities until all the fortified walls in your land – the walls you trusted to protect you – are knocked down. They will attack all the towns in the land the LORD your God has given you. The siege will be so severe that you will eat the flesh of your own sons and daughters, whom the LORD your God has given you. The most tenderhearted man among you will have no compassion for his own brother, his beloved wife, and his surviving children. He will refuse to give them a share of the flesh he is devouring – the flesh of one of his own children – because he has nothing else to eat during the siege that your enemy will inflict on all your towns. The most tender and delicate woman among you – so delicate she would not so much as touch her feet to the ground – will be cruel to the husband she loves and to her own son or daughter. She will hide from them the afterbirth and the new baby she has borne, so that she herself can secretly eat them. She will have nothing else to eat during the siege and terrible distress that your enemy will inflict on all your towns. (Deuteronomy 28:45-57 NLT)

I mean, this shit just goes on and on...

Kill the gays

"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

Kill people of other religions

Death to Followers of Other Religions
Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)

Kill Agnostics


They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

Kill the ENTIRE TOWN if one person in it is of a different religion

Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

Kill Women who aren't virgins, because, you know, raping them isn't bad enough.

But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)

I mean, how many more do you need? This motherfucker is a psychopath!

 

[Tryharder62]

Tell me what you think of the answers on godandscience.org/apologetics/killergod.html. You bring up very good points. I will try to answer it all but I want to do it right and give you well informed answers.

 

[hogjack]

Who the hell do you think you are?

My biological father is actually a rather famous blues musician and my mother - who raised me and two other siblings - was a conga-line dancer in a St. Croix (US Virgin Islands) tourist show.

The rest, as they say, is history.

 

[hogjack]

I wish I hadn't been thrown out of church for being queer, then I could know things about God too.

Churches don't always make good decisions but you have to understand there are only so many choir robes and pew space is precious. It's basically a numbers game on who is in and who is out.

Though you failed to make the cut it is not a reflection of your personhood.

However, though you have ample reason to hold a grudge please don't let it effect your acceptance of the Creationist-message.

 

[CandiCame]

Tell me what you think of the answers on godandscience.org/apologetics/killergod.html. You bring up very good points. I will try to answer it all but I want to do it right and give you well informed answers.

I think I don't need a web site to explain a book I already read to me. Only an idiot would need that.

The fact of the matter is, the god in the bible is a psychopath. The kid's ok. But he was wrong about a lot of shit. He told his followers, repeatedly, that the apocalypse would happen within his lifetime. He was a good kid. He might have been the son of god, but that has nothing to do with me. Hell, he said himself that not everyone is in his flock, nor should they be. That they would reject his message because it didn't have a goddamn thing to do with him. He seems like a neat guy. I'd have a conversation with him. I'd have a glass of wine with him. I wouldn't worship him. We would bond over the fact that both of our dads are deadbeat psychopaths.

 

[hogjack]

We would bond over the fact that both of our dads are deadbeat psychopaths.

There. You have something in common!