Creationism.

[phrodeau]

Dendrochronologists can count tree rings back 10,000 years. Where did those ancient trees live?

 

[hogjack]

Okay my only problem with this is you constantly use the Bible. One thing I know about the Bible is that it was written by humans and humans are creatures of error. So the Bible isn't free of scientific (also historical) error. Still we have carbon dating that shows we've had life on Earth for more than 4000 or so years.

Humans are very fallible but the people who wrote the Books of the Holy Bible had the truth breathed into them by God. Therefore, every single word is perfect since it comes from The Perfect One.

Carbon dating is a bunch of scientific trickery. We call carbon the CCC which stands for "Chemically Corrupt Crap". You know that to be true when someone says something about carbon being essential to all known living systems. Poppycock! God is essential to all living things. Carbon is part of the devil's toolkit just like porn and most music.

 

[hogjack]

Dendrochronologists can count tree rings back 10,000 years. Where did those ancient trees live?

"Ancient" trees were probably being grown on some huge tree farm long before Earth was created. Then God took the mature trees and moved them to Earth.

No one knows how God did it but it must have taken thousands of years to prepare all the plants, animals and insects. It is reasonable to assume He had a system getting everything ready for those 6 crucial days of creating the Earth. Plus He most likely tested everything out first to make sure it was viable. So, yes, trees might have been thousands of years old BEFORE they were moved to Earth. You've seen images of Adam and there were all these big trees around him even when he was in his mid-30s.

That's why we know the whole dinosaur theory is a myth. God would have tested out every creature big and small before moving them to Earth. Imagine the most perfect laboratory and testing facilities possible.

 

[Sean]

Lol Im just a biology major,

I weep for the future of America. Weep.

 

[Sean Renaud]

How the fuck is this thread getting dumber?

 

[Sean]

How the fuck is this thread getting dumber?

God decided to fuck with me. It's the only explanation.

 

[LadyKandi]

I weep for the future of America. Weep.

Why weep? As far as I'm concerned going to college is a fine choice.

 

[LadyKandi]

Humans are very fallible but the people who wrote the Books of the Holy Bible had the truth breathed into them by God. Therefore, every single word is perfect since it comes from The Perfect One.

Carbon dating is a bunch of scientific trickery. We call carbon the CCC which stands for "Chemically Corrupt Crap". You know that to be true when someone says something about carbon being essential to all known living systems. Poppycock! God is essential to all living things. Carbon is part of the devil's toolkit just like porn and most music.

The Bible wasn't even put together till sometime after the death of Jesus and it only has selected books put in it, books that the Church decided the people should believe. So the Bible didn't really come from God, it was created by humans.

But besides that you're only using the Bible to support your claims, where is the solid evidence? That is what you need.

 

[hogjack]

The Bible wasn't even put together till sometime after the death of Jesus and it only has selected books put in it, books that the Church decided the people should believe. So the Bible didn't really come from God, it was created by humans.

But besides that you're only using the Bible to support your claims, where is the solid evidence? That is what you need.

Evidence?

So, LadyKandi, you're saying that God isn't a master of time and space. Right. You fail to understand that the content of The Good Book is timeless. God already knew every letter, every word, every concept that would be in The Holy Book long before people were created. But He knew that humans needed to see the ideas on paper so He let people develop it via our very simplistic methods. People are naturally skeptical so He allowed us to get The Word in a manner we could - with our limitations - comprehend. It is not your fault you don't understand it because - like everyone including me - you are limited intellectually.

Bottom line: The Holy Bible, the most translated book of the last 4,000 years, details The Beginning through The End Times. The content in 10,000 science books does not equal the knowledge available on one page of The Bible.

 

[Oscuridad]

Exactly...

...referencing the poster Oscuridad for any reason on this Board other than a sound source of fluff is as significant as relating lipstick to a pig.

At least my fluff is sound.

Better sound in something than nothing.

 

[LadyKandi]

Evidence?

So, LadyKandi, you're saying that God isn't a master of time and space. Right. You fail to understand that the content of The Good Book is timeless. God already knew every letter, every word, every concept that would be in The Holy Book long before people were created. But He knew that humans needed to see the ideas on paper so He let people develop it via our very simplistic methods. People are naturally skeptical so He allowed us to get The Word in a manner we could - with our limitations - comprehend. It is not your fault you don't understand it because - like everyone including me - you are limited intellectually.

Bottom line: The Holy Bible, the most translated book of the last 4,000 years, details The Beginning through The End Times. The content in 10,000 science books does not equal the knowledge available on one page of The Bible.

Okay
1.) I didn't say God isn't the master of time and space, it wasn't even part of my argument.
2.) Just cause someone writes down that the Earth is 4000 years old doesn't make it true. I could write that down, but I prefer to have tangible backup for my claims.
3.) For someone who is so Bible loving, why are you even on this site? Especially if you are against porn?
4.) Go ahead and believe the Earth is 4000 years old, I take comfort in science cause I know it always seeks the truth and it likes to test the truth.

Have a wonderful day...

 

[Oscuridad]

I just read¹ a book which contained a chapter completely refuting Darwin and proving God. Godless by Ann Coulter.

She proved God by saying, "God can do anything including evolution."

So there. Creation wins.





¹read means sat down and read thoroughly until her inane version of vitriol toward anything not her annoyed me, then I skimmed.

Yet another reason why Ann Coulter should be strapped to a chair and made to watch Sesame Street.

 

[hogjack]

LADIKANDI
2.) Just cause someone writes down that the Earth is 4000 years old doesn't make it true. I could write that down, but I prefer to have tangible backup for my claims.

You could write it down and probably do so quite competently BUT, unless you have had The Truth breathed into you from God, then you are just another Deceiver. I'm not saying you are a Deceiver but you would be if you claimed to speak for the Lord. Those people who did write The Bible were the chosen vessels of God.

3.) For someone who is so Bible loving, why are you even on this site? Especially if you are against porn?

There is nothing in The Holy Book against pornography. In fact, God has provided lust in our hearts and made our loins susceptible to - made for - fornication & other sexual acts. I have chosen a form of celibacy developed by a specific Jesuit sect [a four-hundred year old sect based in the Balkans] that frowns on masturbation but acknowledged it as a necessary evil. So, ironically, porn is very important to my lifestyle choice and it helps me stay pure outside of a monogamous, male/female relationship. I have yet to find someone willing to join me on The Path. Once I do I will denounce celibacy and probably only use pornography with my partner. I am particularly turned on by public sex, soft swinging and something new in my life, 'pegging'.

4.) Go ahead and believe the Earth is 4000 years old, I take comfort in science cause I know it always seeks the truth and it likes to test the truth.

I respect your choice to pursue a career in science because eventually you will find it to be a hollow, unfulfiling avocation. Everyone has their own path to The Truth. Mine involved a wrong turn into a particularly ungodly merchant marine crew. I, too, tasted many forbidden fruits and was exposed to bad things (many of which I did). You deserve the chance to experience your preferred route to The Right Way. Bless you and your skepticism.

 

[KingOrfeo]

How the fuck is this thread getting dumber?

Oh, hogjack doesn't seriously mean any of the bullshit he's saying, he's just giving us a demonstration of Poe's Law.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I'm less worried about Hogjack and more worried people are responding to him.

 

[fair_warning]

The fact is God could have made it a lot easier on himself and made us all run around like robots adoring him. But he loves us. This is not a quote from the bible but I think it is helpful. "If you love something let it go. If it comes back to you, It is yours forever. If it doesn't it never was. " Just an interesting thought. He loved us enough to let us go, but he stands there with open arms hoping our choices bring us back to him.

Kath

Ok, I still don't get the bit about loving us sooooo much and giving us free choice. But, if we fuck up and 'don't return to him' he fries us in hell for eternity? Sorry, that's just weird shit.

Seriously, I believe I am better off with how I view the world. I'm open to change - hey, there might be a miracle this afternoon and God appears to me, well, sure I'm going to believe then. But you, I wonder how you would rationalise your faith if tomorrow science proved beyond doubt that the earth is about 4.5 billion years old and that the bible isn't an accurate record of events ? To me I see your life like an inverted pyramid - it's been built and balanced on one very small foundation.

I think I am more likely to join a religious order than you are to accept science over the bible. So, this will be my last post on this thread, unless of course God pops in to my office after lunch - I'll be sure to post that news. Take care.

 

[Tryharder62]

Dendrochronologists can count tree rings back 10,000 years. Where did those ancient trees live?

That is a really cool topic I didn't know a lot about. I knew of tree ring dating but not about how it was conducted. I couldn't believe there was a Laboratory of Tree Ring Science at the University of Arizona. That is an interesting webside. A.E Douglas founder of the modern science of Dendrochronology established it.

It appears that a lot of study is conducted on Bristelwood pines. I could find a lot of studies earlier but not so many recently. One site said most dendrochronologists draw on an influential study by La Marche and Harlan(1973) that believed the bristlewood pines add on ring a year. According to Harold Gladwin(1978) the growth patterns of the bristlewood pines are too erratic for dating. Lammerts 1983 found extra rings after studying the bristlewood saplings. He suggested the existing chronology be compressed from 7,100 to 5,600.

An interesting field. If anyone has some more recent studies or good books on this let me know. Very interesting.

 

[Tryharder62]

Ok, I still don't get the bit about loving us sooooo much and giving us free choice. But, if we fuck up and 'don't return to him' he fries us in hell for eternity? Sorry, that's just weird shit.

Seriously, I believe I am better off with how I view the world. I'm open to change - hey, there might be a miracle this afternoon and God appears to me, well, sure I'm going to believe then. But you, I wonder how you would rationalise your faith if tomorrow science proved beyond doubt that the earth is about 4.5 billion years old and that the bible isn't an accurate record of events ? To me I see your life like an inverted pyramid - it's been built and balanced on one very small foundation.

I think I am more likely to join a religious order than you are to accept science over the bible. So, this will be my last post on this thread, unless of course God pops in to my office after lunch - I'll be sure to post that news. Take care.

LOL. It's been great my friend. See you around the boards.

 

[cjh]

I'm less worried about Hogjack and more worried people are responding to him.

He's a litmus test of sorts.

 

[KRCummings]

Oh, hogjack doesn't seriously mean any of the bullshit he's saying, he's just giving us a demonstration of Poe's Law.

Somebody finally clued you in, huh? That's too bad. It was hilarious watching you argue with him.

 

[hogjack]

I wonder how you would rationalise your faith if tomorrow science proved beyond doubt that the earth is about 4.5 billion years old and that the bible isn't an accurate record of events ?

The Holy Bible provides dates, events and a timeline that clearly proves a very young Earth. However - just for the sake of argument - let's say the Bible's truths have been misinterpreted or misunderstood. In that case I think most believers would be fine. The foundation of the faith is not about how old Earth is or how the fuck everything was created. That's all interesting BUT it misses the point of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, savior of our souls.

Creationist. Evolutionist. Whatever! All I know is a tall, European-looking Jewish carpenter walked on (or floated over, depending) the planet's surface. He had long hair, a powerful voice, six-pack abs and probably some very crude tattoes. And that dude's story is still being told 24-7 today!

 

[phrodeau]

The Holy Bible provides dates, events and a timeline that clearly proves a very young Earth. However - just for the sake of argument - let's say the Bible's truths have been misinterpreted or misunderstood. In that case I think most believers would be fine. The foundation of the faith is not about how old Earth is or how the fuck everything was created. That's all interesting BUT it misses the point of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, savior of our souls.

Creationist. Evolutionist. Whatever! All I know is a tall, European-looking Jewish carpenter walked on (or floated over, depending) the planet's surface. He had long hair, a powerful voice, six-pack abs and probably some very crude tattoes. And that dude's story is still being told 24-7 today!

Stories, you mean. At least four books full, and none of them agree.

 

[hogjack]

Stories, you mean. At least four books full, and none of them agree.

There are minor discrepencies but all witnesses report on key facts about Jesus:

• Tall, handsome and friendly man
• Good carpenter
• Exceedingly fair with everyone
• Displayed a temper at times...but generally happy and calm
• Above-average (for the time) personal hygiene
• Excellent story teller
• Performer of miracles and amazing feats of strength
• Arose from the dead and appeared no worse for wear
• Did well with the ladies but had no one sweetheart

 

[John Doe]

I explain to my son that funny means it should be funny for the people hearing it also. I tell him it's rude to confuse people on purpose and think that's hilarious. It's just annoying.

Someday, maybe. *sigh*

Why are you trying to corrupt him with such ridiculous ideas?

 

[kbate]

There are proponents in the "6,000 years old" camp but these are mostly evolutionists pretending to be God-loving creationists.

6,000 years might as well be 600 million years.

Stop it. You're killing here and I plan to be around another 2500 million years or so.