Corporate control and force over people.

[BotanyBoy]

I've asked several times in several threads over the past few months.

Can anyone explain to me how these companies force anything on anyone?

Maybe provide an example of companies forcing people to give them money/goods/services?

 

[neci]

it's all in the contract.

 

[BotanyBoy]

it's all in the contract.

The ones that people consensually sign?

Being a rather interesting political year there have been a bit more than an average volume of political talk and someone asked me this same question and I've been thinking about it.

I can't seem to think of any instances where corporations force people to do anything.

 

[Lord Pmann]

It's basically something poor people say to give themselves and excuse for being poor.

 

[Rachel_X]

It's basically something poor people say to give themselves and excuse for being poor.

I've often thought this.
Lots of companies are shady and will try anything to get your money, but so far I haven't heard of any putting a gun to someone's head and forcing them to buy products.

You've got no money left? Probably shouldn't buy every iPad that comes out then. You really dont need 8.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Wm. Gates and Sons force me into their restaurant by wafting the sweet hypnotic scent of the finest BBQ in the world...



I enter against my best understanding that I will overeat and possibly suffer acid reflux later that night. It's very much like a smoking gun to the heat.

The bat rastards!

 

[Liar]

Monopolies on or cartelization of nessecities.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Monopolies on or cartelization of nessecities.

Those are notoriously difficult to make fly without resorting to criminal activities (breaking legs) or sending in government 'regulation' to protect their control of the markets.

You have to be that 1 in a billion lucky person who invents a product so revolutionary and so difficult to rip on or you just do it significantly better than everyone else for so long you get such a head start you fucking terrify a nation. Like Bill Gates who really got cut down before he got anywhere near that.

But those folks are RARE...and they still don't FORCE anyone into shit.

Bill Gates never stuck a gun to anyone's head and MADE them buy a windows equipped PC.

 

[Liar]

Those are notoriously difficult to make fly without resorting to criminal activities (breaking legs) or sending in government 'regulation' to protect their control of the markets.

Have you never heard of dumping or market segmentation? That's laissez faire as fuck, baby.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Have you never heard of dumping or market segmentation? That's laissez faire as fuck, baby.

You're going to have to specify 'dumping' as that's pretty broad and heavily used term to describe a laundry list of things.

But market segmentation is also rather broad and still not forcing anyone into buying anything, it's a marketing strategy not a legal or criminal mandate of force.

 

[underguy1]

Have you never heard of dumping or market segmentation? That's laisses faire as fuck, baby.

It's pointless. He is a cunt who couldn't be honest if his life depended on it.

The leading question in the first post is emblematic. He is a cunt.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I can't answer the question. He is a cunt.

We know UG1....we know.

But someone else might be able to show us how capitalism and corporations are forcing people to give them money.

 

[underguy1]

We know UG1....we know.

But someone else might be able to show us how capitalism and corporations are forcing people to give them money.

State money.

 

[BotanyBoy]

State money.

Complete sentences UG1, they are vital to communication.

You can do it!!

 

[underguy1]

Complete sentences UG1, they are vital to communication.

You can do it!!

Just fuck off you ignorant cunt.

 

[Saint Peter]

Should Payday Loan be able to charge whatever they want? They definitely target the poor. They use strategies that will make a small debt a huge debt and are more than happy to offer those deals to their clients.

The clients sign on the dotted line. Failure to read and understand the fine print? Yes. Do they need government protection/intervention? I have mixed feelings on that.

 

[Liar]

You're going to have to specify 'dumping' as that's pretty broad and used to describe a laundry list of things.

But market segmentation is also rather broad and still not forcing anyone into buying anything, it's a marketing strategy not a legal or criminal mandate of force.

Dumping: Using economic power to eliminate competition.

Like I said; nessecities. Most goods and services are not that. But some are. Which may vary.

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Most more-or-less free market societies have laws and regulation to prevent coprorate monopolies of those things. Or meddles with socialized solutions. Many societies are a bit over zealous. Feature creep.

 

[underguy1]

Dumping: Using economic power to eliminate competition.

Like I said; nessecities. Most goods and services are not that. But some are. Which may vary.

Most more-or-less free market societies have laws and regulation to prevent coprorate monopolies of those things. Or meddles with socialized solutions. Many societies are a bit over zealous. Feature creep.

There is no such thing as a free market.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

A local company makes electric vehicles but federal law wont let them build electric cars. The law requires you to build 5000 or none.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Just fuck off you ignorant cunt.

Just like I said....name calling is all you can manage.

Thanks for playing UG1! Better luck next time.

Should Payday Loan be able to charge whatever they want?

I think they should.

They definitely target the poor. They use strategies that will make a small debt a huge debt and are more than happy to offer those deals to their clients.

Because the poor are great customers, they give that money up no problem.

The clients sign on the dotted line. Failure to read and understand the fine print? Yes. Do they need government protection/intervention? I have mixed feelings on that.

Yea....I can see some arguments for protecting who are a threat to their own financial well being. I can also see some for the government staying out of a consensual business exchanges.

 

[underguy1]

Just like I said....name calling is all you can manage.

Thanks for playing UG1! Better luck next time.

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I can manage an argument but I don't deal with dishonest cunts very well.

And you are a lying racist cunt.

 

[Liar]

There is no such thing as a free market.

Hence the more-or-less. And unregulated markets are not completely free either, since economic power also is power. So the freest market (or the least un-free) is the one where minimal institutional power (goverment) is used to neutralize maximal economic power (cartels and shit).

 

[Liar]

Just like I said....name calling is all you can manage.

Thanks for playing UG1! Better luck next time.



I think they should.



Because the poor are great customers, they give that money up no problem.



Yea....I can see some arguments for protecting who are a threat to their own financial well being. I can also see some for the government staying out of a consensual business exchanges.

This is one of those instances when I think regulation should step in. Not to outlaw payday loans, but to say that tricking the gullible with fine print is akin to fraud.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Dumping: Using economic power to eliminate competition.

Ehhh like monopolies and cartels I think that is EXTREMELY difficult to pull off without breaking legs or getting some 'regulations' written up to hold the competition down while you fuck them to death.

But it's possible I suppose.

Like I said; nessecities. Most goods and services are not that. But some are. Which may vary.

Point.

Most more-or-less free market societies have laws and regulation to prevent coprorate monopolies of those things. Or meddles with socialized solutions. Many societies are a bit over zealous. Feature creep.

As they should, monopolies and cartels are fuckin' dangerous when they are real.

That being said I find most of the cartels (we don't really do monopolies except with specialized government contractors) here in the US are not only structured by but heavily protect by the government.

 

[Liar]

That being said I find most of the cartels (we don't really do monopolies except with specialized government contractors) here in the US are not only structured by but heavily protect by the government.

Corporatism is a thing? U don't say.

It's usually part of the feature creep. The legal frameworks and legal process gets so bloated, complex and arcane that cunning special interrests can use soft influence of the regulators and tweak the system to their advantage.

And sometimes it's just good ol' corruption.