COpyrighted images leading to deleted threads

[modest mouse]

This was news to me and perhaps others will be interested in it.

On the AmPic Feedback forum, there is a sticky that indicates that entire threads have been removed due to possibly copyrighted images. Entire threads. All the pics were not removed, or even the posts with attachments or image links, but rahter the entire thread.

What about worhtwhile threads with one picture that may possibly be in violation? I understand that editing the entire content of the forums is nearly impossible but it seems a less drastic measure could have been taken.

There may be little to be missed in the threads but if its carried over to the GB, many threads face unknown elimination.

The BDSM forum is sporting a warning that threads can and will be eliminated. The warning indicates that all threads with pictures will be eliminated. THis seems drastic.

Would it not be wiser to simply do away with attachments and image links?

The deletion of entire threads is, in my opinion, a serious thing. It breaks with the unspoken agreement between poster and board.

Copyrighted images are a subsantial issue but one that would seem to avail itself of other solutions.

 

[Catharsis]

 

[Guest]

loser

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

Get over yourself, Catharsis, it's a valid, interesting question.

Is that Forum Moderated? That may be why entire threads can be deleted. The GB is not Moderated. I don't know.

 

[PepperminTrish]

Get over yourself, Catharsis, it's a valid, interesting question.

Is that Forum Moderated? That may be why entire threads can be deleted. The GB is not Moderated. I don't know.

Yes, the Amatuer Pic Forum is moderated.

 

[modest mouse]

Both the AmPic and BDSM forums are moderated.

Its my understanding that the GB is moderated by Laurel/Manu.

I do find it curious that those forums are being given serious toned warning while the GB has received nothing of the sort. A warning would perhaps allow people to 'tidy up' threads they did not want to be deleted.

 

[Spinaroonie]

That's one solution... However the doing away of images will cramp the means of communication of some. Then people won't be able to express themselves as well. That's not healthy for any forum.

 

[sunstruck]

Laurel had a sticky up about copy writed images a few weeks ago.

 

[Spinaroonie]

Both the AmPic and BDSM forums are moderated.

Its my understanding that the GB is moderated by Laurel/Manu.

I do find it curious that those forums are being given serious toned warning while the GB has received nothing of the sort. A warning would perhaps allow people to 'tidy up' threads they did not want to be deleted.

We have had a warning. There was a sticky for about... two weeks or so.

Edit: Beaten.

 

[modest mouse]

I recall a thread about copyrighted images but never metnion of thread deletions in their entirety.

The wording in AmPic suggest that thread have already been deleted.

 

[Angel]

It needs to be said?

 

[Freya]

Mouse, the issue on the AmPic forum was that some threads were hundreds of pages long. The time required to wade through those, just to delete the possibly copywritten images was too much, so they decided to just delete a few threads. There were warnings given on those threads, and posts and stickies by Laurel about this problem on there for some time now. Yet people still start threads with pro pictures all the time.

I think what it was, was an example set as well as a warning, and a hint to the regulars that it was also their responsibility to report non-amateur pictures being posted, or risk losing the forum altogether.

 

[sunstruck]

I recall a thread about copyrighted images but never metnion of thread deletions in their entirety.

The wording in AmPic suggest that thread have already been deleted.

I honestly don't remember, but I'm sure someone could dig it up and see.

Sidenote: My husband HATES Jane Fonda with a white hot passion that could fule the sun. He loves your AV. You are now his favorite Lit person.

 

[Angel]

I find it interesting that it is this big huge deal when stories from Literotica are stolen and published without permission on other websites, and the members here cry foul and fight for immediate deletion, but that when pictures are yanked from other sites and posted on threads here, there is outrage when those are deleted.

Is it really going to hurt anyone here if a thread you posted on was yanked for something illegal that could get Lit shut down?

Edited to add, that the 'outrage' I referred to was seen on ShyGuy's thread on the AmPic forum, not from you, Mouse.

 

[modest mouse]

It needs to be said?

Yeah, I think I might want a head-up if someone posts a pic to a thread I was participating in or had begun and it is deleted as a result.

That has not been the precedent, so I do feel it would be fair to make that known to be policy.

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Freya2, thats a good point and one I understand. That forum is often used as a webpage for pic Xchange. Thousand post threads with pics and little or no conversation will probably be seldom missed. But a similar warning exists in the BDSM forum which is much smaller and less prone to long pic threads.

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Im not perpetuating some argument. Just wondering what this is foreshadowing for this specific forum and Lit in general.

 

[Freya]

I hadn't seen the one on the BDSM forum, but I'd assume that people were posting pics from other websites on there. I think the difference between here and there is the moderation of each. Essentially on the AmPic forum, they are telling threadstarters and regular posters that it is their responsibility to report non-amateur pictures being posted on their threads, or risk deletion of the entire thread. For example, my picture thread is well over 300 pages. Had there been copywritten pictures posted throughout that thread, there's no way on earth the mods are going to scan through just to delete them - they'd just post a warning and if it's unheeded, they'd delete the thread.

 

[Purple Haze]

copyRIGHT

Thank you...

 

[sexy-girl]

its hard to edit everyones post in a thread and delete images one by one

laurels given lots of warning and asked nicely and pleaded for people not to post copyrighted images

so if a few threads have to be deleted then its understandable im sure as always though laurel will be using common sense and when its possible not deleting threads just because of one image

lets face it we're lucky with how laurel runs literotica i trust we're in safe hands

 

[RawHumor]

Sidenote: My husband HATES Jane Fonda with a white hot passion that could fule the sun. He loves your AV. You are now his favorite Lit person.

That PRICK!

I thought I'd be his favorte Litster. What about all those orgasms I bring his wife at no expense to him? Huh? What about THOSE?!?!?

 

[sunstruck]

That PRICK!

I thought I'd be his favorte Litster. What about all those orgasms I bring his wife at no expense to him? Huh? What about THOSE?!?!?

Ok NOW it's clear why everyone at Lit thinks we're cybering. LMAO!


Mouse, I think we have to remember that while this is a free site, it's not a public site. It's not like the library or the townhall. Laurel and Manu own it, they run it, and they are responsible for what goes on, on it.

Whatever they have to do to cover their asses and keep this place around is fine by me.

 

[RawHumor]

Mouse, I think we have to remember that while this is a free site, it's not a public site. It's not like the library or the townhall. Laurel and Manu own it, they run it, and they are responsible for what goes on, on it.

Whatever they have to do to cover their asses and keep this place around is fine by me.

That's true. How many people who complain about a pic thread being deleted would be willing to pull out their wallets if someone tried to sue Literotica?

 

[modest mouse]

Mouse, I think we have to remember that while this is a free site, it's not a public site. It's not like the library or the townhall. Laurel and Manu own it, they run it, and they are responsible for what goes on, on it.

Whatever they have to do to cover their asses and keep this place around is fine by me.

Laurel and Manu can do whatever they want. They have that right as owners. I do think that each poster has a small stake in the place and Laurel and Manu do go out of their way to do right by us.

They do an excellent job with this site and especially with the forums, which exist as customer service really.

I'm only asking questions, not making accusations.

I wonder if attachments could be eliminated (freeing up megabytes of server space ans streamlining the board even more than when attachments loaded by default) and each poster be given one slot in which to keep a picture. If they want to sahre something ina thread they can link to it. If they post a copyrighted image and fail to heed the warning their slot will be revoked.

THere is little doubt that Lit is taking measures to reduce copyright abuse. Thats soemthing that we all can support simply because it hinders the ability for this forum to exist.

I, for one, would rather pics simply be done away with as they currently exist rather than threads being deleted.

 

[The Heretic]

It is interesting to note that half the posters to this thread have copyrighted images in their avatars (including myself), and that yes, these would be a copyright infringement if their owners really wanted to make trouble. That is not at all likely to happen.

But what is likely to happen, and has happened, has been people posting copyrighted images on Lit., within a post, when they don't have permission to use them. I am talking good sized images of fairly good quality, such as in the "nipples tribute" thread. There has been at least one case where someone posted images of a model, representing themselves as that model, and the copyright owner not only found out about it, but IIRC, asked Lit. to remove them - and Lit. did.

That was on the GB board as I recall.

I think we just need to remember not to post these images here if there is any question as to copyright. If you want to share/acquire such images without paying for them (in essence stealing them), then share them using a P2P program or via USENET newsgroups.

And yes, I have posted copyrighted images myself, but I would gladly forgo that periodic indulgence to keep Lit. out of hotwater.

 

[JazzManJim]

It is interesting to note that half the posters to this thread have copyrighted images in their avatars (including myself), and that yes, these would be a copyright infringement if their owners really wanted to make trouble. That is not at all likely to happen.

It's my understanding based on a couple of posts that Laurel has made on the subject that people are allowed to post thumbnails of copyrighted images legally. The av size is underneath the size threshold for what constitutes a thumbnail and is okay.

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

I don't think Mouse needs a lecture on copyright, he's just asking that posts that have nothing to do with stealing photos not be deleted without warning.

But, really, if we're talking about a thread 100s of pages long, full of stolen photos, on a site where people have been warned not to do that, I don't think we can expect the moderators to spend hours deleting them individually. It sucks to lose your post on a thread, but, hey, it sucks to make the moderators spend their afternoon with that kind of bullshit.