Conservative ‘Homophobic Hypocrisy’ In Craig Scandal

Do you honestly believe that homophobic hypocrisy is limited to the Republican party? If Bill Clinton would have been caught getting a blowjob from a male intern then the same Democratic party that forgave their leader for having a moment of weakness would have been quick to run him out of office.
 
The Gimp said:
Do you honestly believe that homophobic hypocrisy is limited to the Republican party? If Bill Clinton would have been caught getting a blowjob from a male intern then the same Democratic party that forgave their leader for having a moment of weakness would have been quick to run him out of office.
The way they've run Barney Frank out of office? You're talking out of your ass.
 
The Gimp said:
Do you honestly believe that homophobic hypocrisy is limited to the Republican party? If Bill Clinton would have been caught getting a blowjob from a male intern then the same Democratic party that forgave their leader for having a moment of weakness would have been quick to run him out of office.

I doubt that. Clinton and most other Democrats do not have a history of opposing laws which would extend legal marriage to gays, or backing anti-homosexual agendas, which masquerade as "pro-family" or defense of marriage.

The Republican problem with Senator Craig is pretty simple. The people who gave them money and votes do not like this kind of behavior or people who tolerate it.

The only problem Democrats might have with Craig's behavior is that it might have led to an unsafe sexual encounter. If the Senator had condoms on his person when arrested, even that would have been a non-issue.
 
Ulaven_Demorte said:
What explains the starkly different responses?
I’d say rank and homophobic hypocrisy.

Some of it is homophobia no doubt, but I'm sure much of the difference between Craig and Vitter is due to realpolitik: If Craig resigned, his replacement would be another wingnut chosen by Idaho's Republican governor; were Vitter to resign, his replacement would be chosen by Kathleen Blanco.

This isn't really the thread for this discussion, but while it's water under the bridge in the sense that Craig pleaded guilty, I'm not sure what he did should be deemed a crime. True, he used well-known methods of signaling his interest in restroom sex, but one might be able to argue that his actions were ambiguous.
 
The Mutt said:
The way they've run Barney Frank out of office? You're talking out of your ass.

No I'm not. A gay man being indirectly linked to a gay prostitution ring is similar to a heterosexual male being linked to an escort service in a creepy sort of way. A married seemingly heterosexual man who gets caught red handed having sex with another guy doesn't get the same free pass, regardless of what party he is in.
 
What's Craig's email? I'm going to send him pictures of gay men drinking each others cum every day. If you give me his home address, I'll send him a box of gay porn dvds every Xmas too.

That closet homo is going to love it.
 
another reason for the differential treatment:

Vitter's conduct preceded his term in the Senate, and was thus outside the jurisdiction of the Senate Ethics Committee.

(In addition, of course, Craig's case has been adjudicated by a court while Vitter's has not.)
 
Media Champions Gay Sex In Public Toilets In FL.....Except when a REPOH does it!

From the hopeless reactionaries at Life Site News:




Gay Sex in Public a Major Health Risk - Naugle Calls on Homosexuals to Stem the Spread of HIV

FORT LAUDERDALE, August 23, 2007 (LifeSiteNews.com) - At a news conference at City Hall this week, Jim Naugle, the mayor of Fort Lauderdale, Florida has called on homosexual men to end their public sexual encounters in order to curb the local HIV/AIDS rate. “We want to put a stop to that activity,” he said.

Since his first public comments in July, Naugle has been attacked on all sides for being nearly the only US public figure to oppose on moral grounds the encroachment of homosexual activity in his town.

Now Naugle is in the news again for his determination to clean up Fort Lauderdale’s beaches and tourist spots, that he says are a health threat. The tourist destinations, he says, are being used as “cruising” scenes for homosexual men looking for the anonymous sexual encounters that characterize the “gay” subculture. This activity, he says, is one of the major factors in the spread of the HIV virus in the area.

“Our goal isn’t to arrest people,” the Mayor said. “Our goal is to stop the activity…and we’re going to save some lives in the process.” Naugle said that eight men have been arrested in two years for having sex in restrooms at public parks.

“The health department, based on past statistics, estimates that around five hundred people in Broward County are going to contract HIV from men having sex with men.” The mayor said that the local health department estimates that 74% of HIV cases are the result of male homosexual activity.

Naugle first ran afoul of the US homosexual activist community when he supported the decision of the Boy Scouts to ban homosexual troop leaders. He has also objected to the presence of a large collection of homosexual pornography in the local public library.

His forthright campaign to clean up Fort Lauderdale has earned him the vilification of the mainstream press as well as the homosexual lobby. James A. Smith Sr., Executive Editor of the Florida Baptist Witness writes that a “Flush Naugle” campaign has been launched seeking his removal from office, although his current term ends in 2009 and he is ineligible for re-election…

He told press that he would ask members of the Tourist Development Council to stop promoting bathhouses, where homosexual men meet for sex. Tourist information provided by Broward County invites tourists to visit bathhouses. Fort Lauderdale is known as the “Venice of America” and is one of North America’s most important tourist destinations.

But at the meeting today, Naugle found himself at odds with local tourism business leaders who are using the homosexual subculture to promote “gay” tourism locally.

NBC6 News reports that Fort Lauderdale Tourism Board members said the mayor’s opposition to public sex in tourist spots and bathhouses is hurting business.

“The county is receiving quite a few e-mails and inquiries of concern about what’s happening,” said Richard Gray, owner of Palm Resorts and Spa. “The gay and lesbian tourism market is a massive market here. It’s about a $1 billion industry. It’s a very important niche market for Fort Lauderdale.”



As mentioned elsewhere, our watchdog media and the rest of the “gay community”" normally hold homosexual sex in public places such as restrooms to be a civil right.

The latest proof of which can be found in the relentlessly vicious attacks of Mr. Naugle’s campaign to clean up Ft. Lauderdale’’s public facilities.

But apparently this is yet another civil right that is denied Republicans. (Even Republicans who were only accused of “soliciting.”)

Why is that?
 
Larry Craig is being DENIED his CIVIL RIGHTS

Where is Jesse Jerkson?

As mentioned elsewhere, our watchdog media and the rest of the “gay community”" normally hold homosexual sex in public places such as restrooms to be a civil right.

The latest proof of which can be found in the relentlessly vicious attacks of Mr. Naugle’s campaign to clean up Ft. Lauderdale’’s public facilities.

But apparently this is yet another civil right that is denied Republicans. (Even Republicans who were only accused of “soliciting.”)

Why is that?
 
busybody said:
Larry Craig is being DENIED his CIVIL RIGHTS

Where is Jesse Jerkson?

As mentioned elsewhere, our watchdog media and the rest of the “gay community”" normally hold homosexual sex in public places such as restrooms to be a civil right.

The latest proof of which can be found in the relentlessly vicious attacks of Mr. Naugle’s campaign to clean up Ft. Lauderdale’’s public facilities.

But apparently this is yet another civil right that is denied Republicans. (Even Republicans who were only accused of “soliciting.”)

Why is that?

He hasn't been denied anything. He plead guilty to the charges brought against him.

He did not disclose the fact that he had been arrested until the story broke 77 days later.
 
busybody said:
another reason for the differential treatment:

Vitter's conduct preceded his term in the Senate, and was thus outside the jurisdiction of the Senate Ethics Committee.

(In addition, of course, Craig's case has been adjudicated by a court while Vitter's has not.)

I am sure Senator Vitter lost his taste for sex with prostitutes as soon as he got to Washington DC.

All I have to say is:

In your face Wyoming. My Senator fucks high class whores.
 
Ulaven_Demorte said:
He hasn't been denied anything. He plead guilty to the charges brought against him.

He did not disclose the fact that he had been arrested until the story broke 77 days later.
GAY sex in BATHROOMS is a CIVIL RIGHT

why did they not only STOP him

but

arrest him?
 
busybody said:
GAY sex in BATHROOMS is a CIVIL RIGHT

why did they not only STOP him

but

arrest him?

What school did you go to? I don't remember the glory hole amendment.
 
Ulaven_Demorte said:
The hypocrisy is easy to see.

Vitter had extramarital sex with a prostitute, he admitted as much. Solicitation is a crime. He was met with a round of applause upon his return to the Senate Chambers.

Craig tried to have extramarital sex with another man, unsuccessfully. He was charged with a misdemeanor (peeping and disorderly conduct) He's been vilified by his fellow Republicans.

The point is that both of these gentlemen broke the law, both should have been treated the same by their peers. But because Craig's offense was of a homosexual nature he's treated as a pariah while Vitter gets a standing ovation.

That my friend, is hypocrisy.

Fine you think its hypocrisy,but you haven't shown Vitter being committed for anything. You just said guilty by association.
 
Ulaven_Demorte said:
From: Think Progress

Earlier this month, Sen. Larry Craig (R-ID) pleaded guilty to “misdemeanor disorderly conduct” for “lewd” sexual conduct in a men’s public restroom. In July, Sen. David Vitter (R-LA) also admitted to the “sin” of a sexual crime — frequenting an escort service run by the DC Madam.

To date, five Republican lawmakers have called on Sen. Larry Craig (R-ID) to resign:

Sen. Norm Coleman (R-MN): “Senator Craig pled guilty to a crime involving conduct unbecoming a senator. He should resign.”

Sen. John McCain (R-AZ): “I believe that he — that he pled guilty and he had the opportunity to plead innocent. So I think he should resign.”

Rep. Peter Hoekstra (R-MI): “However, he also represents the Republican Party, and I believe that he should step down as his conduct throughout this matter has been inappropriate for a U.S. senator.”

Rep. Mark Souder (R-IN): “While additional concerns are being raised, Senator Craig already demonstrated that he is unfit to serve in the U.S. Congress when he pled guilty. I believe that he needs to step down.”

Reps. Jeff Miller (R-FL), Ginny Brown-Waite (R-FL), Bobby Jindal (R-LA), and Ron Lewis (R-KY): [A handful of Republicans] urged Craig to step down…including Jeff Miller and Ginny Brown-Waite of Florida, Mark Souder of Indiana, Bobby Jindal of Louisiana and Ron Lewis of Kentucky.

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) has also stripped Craig of his committee leadership positions and called for a Senate ethics investigation into the affair.

In contrast, none of these nine lawmakers reprimanded Vitter after he admitted to soliciting a prostitute. He even received “‘thunderous applause‘ from Senate GOP colleagues during a policy lunch held a few days after his admission.”

One Republican senator is involved in soliciting sex from a man and the Republican leadership calls for a Senate investigation and yanks the rug from underneath him. Another Republican senator admits to soliciting the services of a female prostitute and there’s not only no investigation but the senator is greeted with a standing ovation by his Republican peers.

What explains the starkly different responses?
I’d say rank and homophobic hypocrisy.
Jeez UD.....Get over it.

So Vitter calls an escort service for a good fuck..........Who the fuck cares.

As for Craig, he's resigning to join Barney Franks Homosexual house of prostitution........... :cool:
 
garbage can said:
Jeez UD.....Get over it.

So Vitter calls an escort service for a good fuck..........Who the fuck cares.

As for Craig, he's resigning to join Barney Franks Homosexual house of prostitution........... :cool:

A lot of people care, and so should you. It is still against the law.

A person holding an elected position to create the laws of the land should not be ignoring those that are inconvenient. It should bother you that members of the Legislature don't feel the need to abide by the law, party affiliation shouldn't matter, I come down just as hard on Democrats as Republicans that break the law. See any of my comments on William Jefferson.

For that matter, the Executive shouldn't enforce only the laws it feels it should. Declaring a law "unconstitutional" and choosing not to enforce it is not the function of the Executive.
 
Of course the Republicans want him to resign; that way they can replace him with someone with a chance of winning the next election.
 
On the one hand, the hypocracy is troubling. Get caught in a seedy hetero exchange and no one says anything. Get caught in a seedy gay exchange and the guy has to resign.

I feel a little sorry for him. At the same time his departure will be welcomed by environmentalists.
 
Plasmaball said:
Fine you think its hypocrisy,but you haven't shown Vitter being committed for anything. You just said guilty by association.

Vitter had extramarital sex with a prostitute, he admitted as much. Solicitation is a crime.
 
moana15 said:
On the one hand, the hypocracy is troubling. Get caught in a seedy hetero exchange and no one says anything. Get caught in a seedy gay exchange and the guy has to resign.

I feel a little sorry for him. At the same time his departure will be welcomed by environmentalists.

Let me explain the difference to me. Vitter solicited a hooker, in my big schemes of things who cares, hypocrisy sure, but it happens everyday in every city.

Craig solicited a blowjob in a public bathroom! Big difference, I think I should have some confidence if I send my 10 year old son into a bathroom there won’t be two men having sex inside.

This isn’t homophobia, I wouldn’t be thrilled if a married couple were having sex in the Minneapolis airport bathroom either.

My opinion and I’m sure Republicans see this much differently than me for the obvious reasons.
 
Plasmaball said:
Fine you think its hypocrisy,but you haven't shown Vitter being committed for anything. You just said guilty by association.
It's a pity UD can't even score a slam dunk standing on a mile wide rim (no, not his ass, I mean the other kind of rim)
 
LovingTongue said:
It's a pity UD can't even score a slam dunk standing on a mile wide rim (no, not his ass, I mean the other kind of rim)

LT's Crusade continues! :rolleyes:

Anyone without their eyes closed can see the blatant hypocritical bullshit from the GOP re: these two congressmen.

Both broke the law. Vitter engaged in illegal prostitution, Craig engaged in lewd behavior in an airport men's room.

Only one is vilified while the other received an ovation upon his return to the Senate floor. Is it a coincidence that the Senator berated engaged in homosexual behavior?

I think not.
 
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