Confederate flag

[Lost Cause]

I see the ignorant outnumber the reasoned, oh well. Say all you want, what you've been told, grab a rope and lynch someone different than you. That's the message you dumbfucks sent me. If I meet you in person, say something negative about my attire. I'll make your head into a canoe, then you'll be justified of your profiling of my friends, and myself.
Fuck the World!

 

[Problem Child]

When I see the confederate battle flag on a person or thing, I view that person as a rebel to convention. My Biker friends wear it to associate with rebellion to authority.

So what? Mohawk haircuts, baggy pants, tattoos, and peircings are all symbols of rebellion too. Funny thing is they don't represent a legacy of holding other human beings in bondage for centuries. Are bikers so hard up for symbols of rebellion that they have to use one that offends millions of people and represents hate, racism, and torture?

I have Black Biker friends that wear it for the same reason.

I'm with Marxist on this one. I'd like to meet the guy.

I have opinion on people based on their actions, not what they wear or display.

No you don't, you judge people based on what they wear just like the rest of us do. You just got done saying the rebel flag is a symbol used to express rebellion amongst bikers. When they wear it, it means something to you, i.e. they are cool, rebellious dudes.

Some display it to honor the war dead of our civil war.

pfft. What's wrong with an American flag honoring all war dead? That's a lame excuse to wear a symbol of racism.

If you are a part of the herd, you go along with whatever is the popular mood, even if it's wrong.

I think cheyenne pointed out your hypocrisy on this point already.

If you are a reverse racist, you view the flag from a victim perspective, as you've been taught by the mass propaganda.

Perhaps people just don't like being reminded of the fact that a large segment of the American population was once treated as 3/5ths of a human being. Perhaps we feel that those symbols of racism are fine for museums and textbooks, but we'd rather not have them on display in our daily lives. Perhaps it has nothing to do with your kooky theories about mass propaganda.

Taken to the extreme, why honor the war dead of America at all?

That's just plain stupid.

Slavery was the norm until 1870, from then on it was segregation.

So what? does that make it right? Is that something we should be proud of?

The present American Flag flies under the new slavery, "diversity". Segregation by race instituted by the government.

If this is some sort of an argument against affirmative action, I agree with you. That being said, I fail to see how affirmative action can be classified as "The new slavery". Nobody has forced me to pick cotton, or denied me the right of free speech or ownership of property, or the right to vote lately. You're stretching. Quite a bit.

We're Americans first, our individual cultures are secondary in importance. How can a people move forward when they're always looking back?

Yes, how can we progress when we are looking back? how can we move forward when some of cling to symbols of racism and hatred and try to convince the rest of us they don't have any meaning beyond simple "rebelliousness"? I wonder...

You ought to take all these arguments with you the next time you cook spaghetti. They'll come in mighty handy.

 

[Private Vasquez]

We all look at every single person we see with a completely open mind. Regardless of their attire or the groups they run in.

I like canoes.

 

[Marxist]

I think what a lot of people are missing out on is what Lost Cause said so well: Violence is only a footstep away.


Put yourself in my shoes (small, Black, male) and ask yourself if you'd feel so goddamn comfy if you found yourself surrounded by bikers with symbols of the Old South emblazoned on their jackets. I'm sure you'd be reminded of states rights and not *"strange fruit."


*Lost Cause, that's what they called Blacks hanging from trees after they were lynched.

 

[Problem Child]

I see the ignorant outnumber the reasoned, oh well. Say all you want, what you've been told, grab a rope and lynch someone different than you. That's the message you dumbfucks sent me. If I meet you in person, say something negative about my attire. I'll make your head into a canoe, then you'll be justified of your profiling of my friends, and myself.
Fuck the World!

Hahaha! I got mah swastikas, and mah goldurn rebel flags, an' if you mofos don't lahk it ah'll just bash yer heads in!

Ignerint Mofos! Yuk-yuk...

 

[patient1]

Here in PA, two groups of people have battle flags.

One group are the Civil War Re- Enacters. They are fairly common. I've had them as neighbors, co-workers, customers, etc.
They like to dress up & go camping on the weekends, & play with muzzle loading rifles. A cannon in the yard is a dead give-away. These history hobbyists will readily discus the subject.


The other group is The Quaker Knights of the KKK. They don't like integration or competing against hard-working immigrants for jobs. They can't explain why they fly the stars& bars.

 

[Starfish]

This isn't fair. What about all the rednecks that are too stoopid to know better, and just think it is a neat and purty 5.0 version of the US flag? It isn't fair. You're all racist against stoopid people. Fuckers.

 

[SleepingWarrior]

I'm neutral on the seeing them immediately as racists if they are just wearing a shirt or have it on display.

Now that I have said that... If I see it flying with a bunch of sheetheads well then I know they are racists.

 

[Problem Child]

Hey, Lost Cause, I see you took down your beloved symbol of rebellion and replaced it with a pirate flag avatar.

What's that mean? That you aren't so sure about the stars and bars anymore? That you're a Raider fan? That you like Errol Flynn movies?

What gives, dude?

 

[freakygirl]

I'm up here in Washington

Those flags are pretty rare. I have always associated them with racism. We do have a group of 10 or so high school kids that fly them proudly (?) on their jacked up 4 wheel drive pickups. They were out full force on MLK day last year.. up and down all 6 blocks in our little town.

They had signs on their trucks that said "Honk if you agree" (agree on what.. I have NO idea. And honestly I don't think they knew either). I wanted to target practice with the shot gun.. Mr Freaky reminded me we were within city limits and it would be illegal..

No idea why these kids see fit to fly those flags like they do.. and I have no idea what is wrong with their parents to allow it. (unless ofcourse mommy and daddy either agree or just didn't know what the kids were doing).

 

[michaelmt1]

Flags

its funny most places have a flag a large percentage of the population seem to hate for one reason or another in australia it is this flag.

http://www.southcom.com.au/~jennifert/tas/eureka.gif

It is the purest of antiestablishment flag.

My opinion Confeserate or Eureka Stockade flag mots are redneck how fly them and seem to be anti everything.

Mike

 

[Laurel]

The confederate flag makes me think of the Dukes of Hazzard.

That's seriously the first thing that comes to my mind.

 

[Guest]

Alrighty.
Bein an Orstraylean,i aint up on all the flags an shit you guys have.

But i DID see an episode of Oprah where a black dude came across a burning house,out front of which was the flag of which you speak.

What to do?What to do?

Well,he pretty much said he expected a red necked racist hillbilly to live in the house.
And it turns out he was right.

The moral of the story?

I dont think there is one.
I just wanted to practise my typing.

 

[SGTBIGDOG420]

3--What's your rationalization for all the "SS" and German WW2 gear? Any brothas wearing that shit?

as a matter of fact I did see several at bike week in daytona one that sticks in my mind had a swastika tattooed on his shaved head. so yes some brothas do wear that shit which is why I love this country every one is intitled to there own opinion. I for one don't asciate any symbol with attitude unless its an outright lable displaying there beliefs such as a swastika, gang tattoo or a balck panther patch these are just a few examples of the many hate groups in the world today but unless you are displaying something that leaves no doubt to your racist tendencies then I will have to form my oppinion on the attitude you display and the words.

 

[AusTess]

Alrighty.
Bein an Orstraylean,i aint up on all the flags an shit you guys have.

But i DID see an episode of Oprah where a black dude came across a burning house,out front of which was the flag of which you speak.

What to do?What to do?

Well,he pretty much said he expected a red necked racist hillbilly to live in the house.
And it turns out he was right.

The moral of the story?

I dont think there is one.
I just wanted to practise my typing.

Ha!
What she said.

 

[Laurel]

its an outright lable displaying there beliefs such as a swastika, gang tattoo or a balck panther patch these are just a few examples of the many hate groups in the world today

Woah Nelly. Are you comparing the Black Panthers to Nazis? Last time I checked, the Black Panthers hadn't committed (nor advocated) genocide.

 

[SGTBIGDOG420]

Problem child I have to reply to a few things you posted such as "
we feel that those symbols of racism are fine for museums and textbooks, but we'd rather not have them on display in our daily lives. Perhaps it has nothing to do with your kooky theories about mass propaganda" these ideas are exactly the propaganda that were talking about the flag doesnt mean hatred or racism just becouse some low intelagence people decided to use at for there symbol hate the people not the symbol. also "pfft. What's wrong with an American flag honoring all war dead? That's a lame excuse to wear a symbol of racism." why would someone trying to hold onto their haritage want the flag of their enemy to symbolize there familys sacrifice? as for the history books hell their about useless becouse the system has been told to downplay this part of history they dont teach much about it any more becouse it's too contriversal. most people want to belive the hype that this war is about the south wanting to keep their slave but that is wrong the war was about the right to choose the south just didnt like being told they had to give up their slaves they meerly want the right to choose. just my humble opinion based on research I have done for some term papers in school.

 

[koalabear]

Might be better to let the racist have a flag, beats tatooing their arms....

 

[SGTBIGDOG420]

Woah Nelly. Are you comparing the Black Panthers to Nazis? Last time I checked, the Black Panthers hadn't committed (nor advocated) genocide.

true but that doesnt change the fact that they are a supremist group trying to advance their own kind. perhaps I should have said a white sheet instead of swastika.

 

[RastaPope]

I don't really care, honestly. I think wearing any kind of flag in the states is stupid unless it's the current American flag.

Can't stand those fucktards who insist on draping their country's flag on their car's back winshield...


But, people have the right to wear any goddamned flag they want to, regardless of what it means to anyone else.

 

[Problem Child]

Problem child I have to reply to a few things you posted such as "
we feel that those symbols of racism are fine for museums and textbooks, but we'd rather not have them on display in our daily lives. Perhaps it has nothing to do with your kooky theories about mass propaganda" these ideas are exactly the propaganda that were talking about the flag doesnt mean hatred or racism just becouse some low intelagence people decided to use at for there symbol hate the people not the symbol. also "pfft. What's wrong with an American flag honoring all war dead? That's a lame excuse to wear a symbol of racism." why would someone trying to hold onto their haritage want the flag of their enemy to symbolize there familys sacrifice? as for the history books hell their about useless becouse the system has been told to downplay this part of history they dont teach much about it any more becouse it's too contriversal. most people want to belive the hype that this war is about the south wanting to keep their slave but that is wrong the war was about the right to choose the south just didnt like being told they had to give up their slaves they meerly want the right to choose. just my humble opinion based on research I have done for some term papers in school.

Huh?

 

[The Gimp]

That wasn't the question.

True, while I hold nothing against the confederate flag my first reaction is that the person bearing it is racist.

 

[sigh]

Huh?

I suspect those term papers didn't do too well.

 

[sch00lteacher]

I know it isn't part of the question, but still I feel like asking.

What about FUBU clothing? Are white people allowed to wear that?

 

[kiwiwolf]

Might be better to let the racist have a flag, beats tatooing their arms....

And tattooing is wrong why?