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amicus

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Conclusions:


Let us do Intelligence Quotient first off, in a rather offhand manner; you can do your own search for statistics.

Average IQ is about 115; give or take?

You do know the ‘bell curve’ theory? Good.

Some broad assumptions and generalities here, (I am famous for those, but they do serve a purpose, mundane though it may seem to you.)

Below the average IQ, 115 and under, is not educable in the broad sense, University and all that, you know; the finer things of life.

So, that leaves about half of us, those over 115, to run things, to manage things, to carry on that past that brought us where we are. (wherever that may be)

Of that half left, one could broadly surmise that half of those, (approximately) are male, and half are female. Any problems yet?

Discounting the ‘cows’ and the cheerleaders, I project that about ten percent, one in ten, of the females, are capable of rational thought. Problems there? (I may be generous with ten percent)

Of the males, I suggest that perhaps twenty percent are capable of rational thought, merely from biological considerations, hysteria and all that…(I may be benerous there, also.)

Well…do the math, in an approximate manner of course, half of all, then 10 percent of those and 20 percent of those and the number of rational minds dwindles somewhat.

Consider also the aberrations of narcissistic behavior, psychotic self involvement, about gender equal I propose. Consider also the fixations on addictions, drug and sexual and of course the usual one to three percent of the criminally inclined to whom ethics and morality do not exist…

What are we left with, in terms of percentages and then of numbers, in a functional social setting of those who are capable and willing to see beyond the present, to acknowledge the past and adhere to a rational pattern of behavior?

No, you can’t ‘nail’ me anywhere in that. But continued observations of human interactions, in various settings over a lengthy period of time, have convinced me to conclude that the future of mankind has always been precariously placed in the hands of a very few.


Somewhere above, I should have emphasized the detraction of the ‘believers’, the religious, the cults, the Masons, the Unions, the Democrats, the Republicans, the Liberals, the Conservatives, the right, the left, all the ‘believers’ and ‘followers’, like bureaucrats, who function without thinking. They further reduce the gene pool of ‘possible’ rational thinkers.

I do not, by this, demean the peasants, who live and love and procreate, and should, by all means, multiply and prosper; not at all; good all over them.

I do question what appears to me, after long consideration, to be a gradual demise of those who stand above the fray and peruse existence with a clear eye.

Although the general mathematical enlightenment of humanity rises and falls with alarming regularity, the general trend is upward, but not guaranteed, I think.

Many claim that ‘there is nothing new under the sun’. I think since the industrial revolution, in the mid 19th century, mankind has set off on a new course in which ‘everything’ is new and never before experienced.

I think this ‘rant’ originated with an idea for a new novel. A story line wherein the H5N1 virus decimated the population to less than half of what it is, along with a solar flare, or ‘storm’, that destroyed mankind’s ability to generate electricity, (also killed all the satellites and the internet) (entirely possible); and that ‘global warming’ (from natural ‘cyclical’) causes, that generated tropical cyclones (hurricanes) and sea level increases that inundated coastal cities world wide, which, combined, basically brought the world to a halt.

My ‘novel’ begins, three hundred years after all this occurs, not quite in the year ‘2525’, but close enough.

Anyway….


Amicus…
 
amicus said:
Conclusions:


Let us do Intelligence Quotient first off, in a rather offhand manner; you can do your own search for statistics.

Average IQ is about 115; give or take?

You do know the ‘bell curve’ theory? Good.

Some broad assumptions and generalities here, (I am famous for those, but they do serve a purpose, mundane though it may seem to you.)

Below the average IQ, 115 and under, is not educable in the broad sense, University and all that, you know; the finer things of life.

So, that leaves about half of us, those over 115, to run things, to manage things, to carry on that past that brought us where we are. (wherever that may be)

Of that half left, one could broadly surmise that half of those, (approximately) are male, and half are female. Any problems yet?

Discounting the ‘cows’ and the cheerleaders, I project that about ten percent, one in ten, of the females, are capable of rational thought. Problems there? (I may be generous with ten percent)

Of the males, I suggest that perhaps twenty percent are capable of rational thought, merely from biological considerations, hysteria and all that…(I may be benerous there, also.)

Well…do the math, in an approximate manner of course, half of all, then 10 percent of those and 20 percent of those and the number of rational minds dwindles somewhat.

Consider also the aberrations of narcissistic behavior, psychotic self involvement, about gender equal I propose. Consider also the fixations on addictions, drug and sexual and of course the usual one to three percent of the criminally inclined to whom ethics and morality do not exist…

What are we left with, in terms of percentages and then of numbers, in a functional social setting of those who are capable and willing to see beyond the present, to acknowledge the past and adhere to a rational pattern of behavior?

No, you can’t ‘nail’ me anywhere in that. But continued observations of human interactions, in various settings over a lengthy period of time, have convinced me to conclude that the future of mankind has always been precariously placed in the hands of a very few.


Somewhere above, I should have emphasized the detraction of the ‘believers’, the religious, the cults, the Masons, the Unions, the Democrats, the Republicans, the Liberals, the Conservatives, the right, the left, all the ‘believers’ and ‘followers’, like bureaucrats, who function without thinking. They further reduce the gene pool of ‘possible’ rational thinkers.

I do not, by this, demean the peasants, who live and love and procreate, and should, by all means, multiply and prosper; not at all; good all over them.

I do question what appears to me, after long consideration, to be a gradual demise of those who stand above the fray and peruse existence with a clear eye.

Although the general mathematical enlightenment of humanity rises and falls with alarming regularity, the general trend is upward, but not guaranteed, I think.

Many claim that ‘there is nothing new under the sun’. I think since the industrial revolution, in the mid 19th century, mankind has set off on a new course in which ‘everything’ is new and never before experienced.

I think this ‘rant’ originated with an idea for a new novel. A story line wherein the H5N1 virus decimated the population to less than half of what it is, along with a solar flare, or ‘storm’, that destroyed mankind’s ability to generate electricity, (also killed all the satellites and the internet) (entirely possible); and that ‘global warming’ (from natural ‘cyclical’) causes, that generated tropical cyclones (hurricanes) and sea level increases that inundated coastal cities world wide, which, combined, basically brought the world to a halt.

My ‘novel’ begins, three hundred years after all this occurs, not quite in the year ‘2525’, but close enough.

Anyway….


Amicus…

And can I say...eh? I hven't a clue what you're driving at, but I did laugh out loud at this line:

"Somewhere above, I should have emphasized the detraction of the ‘believers’, the religious, the cults, the Masons, the Unions, the Democrats, the Republicans, the Liberals, the Conservatives, the right, the left, all the ‘believers’ and ‘followers’, like bureaucrats, who function without thinking."

Because,surely, everyone believes in something, somewhere along the line.

And I have a whole load of belief in my life and I think it leads to a helluva lot of thinking, I'm certainly not a gollum.
 
amicus said:
Conclusions:

Discounting the ‘cows’ and the cheerleaders, I project that about ten percent, one in ten, of the females, are capable of rational thought. Problems there? (I may be generous with ten percent)

Amicus…

Ami - you're so sexy when you are being obtuse. ;)
 
EnglishLady... "...And can I say...eh? I hven't a clue what you're driving at, but I did laugh out loud at this line:

"Somewhere above, I should have emphasized the detraction of the ‘believers’, the religious, the cults, the Masons, the Unions, the Democrats, the Republicans, the Liberals, the Conservatives, the right, the left, all the ‘believers’ and ‘followers’, like bureaucrats, who function without thinking."

Because,surely, everyone believes in something, somewhere along the line.

And I have a whole load of belief in my life and I think it leads to a helluva lot of thinking, I'm certainly not a gollum...."


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Belief is thinking within the 'box' which, in a small way, was one of the points I was 'driving at'.

Anyway, it is always to an authors benefit to hear that a reader, 'laughed out loud..." at something written, for good or for bad. Thank you.

amicus...
 
Neonlyte....or is that 'Neolite...'?

'Obtuse' and 'Accute' are mathmatical terms which I tend to shy away from, but the ambiguousity was intentional and merely inserted to tempt you to think about the malaise I hinted at.

Thank you.


amicus...
 
amicus said:
EnglishLady... "...And can I say...eh? I hven't a clue what you're driving at, but I did laugh out loud at this line:

"Somewhere above, I should have emphasized the detraction of the ‘believers’, the religious, the cults, the Masons, the Unions, the Democrats, the Republicans, the Liberals, the Conservatives, the right, the left, all the ‘believers’ and ‘followers’, like bureaucrats, who function without thinking."

Because,surely, everyone believes in something, somewhere along the line.

And I have a whole load of belief in my life and I think it leads to a helluva lot of thinking, I'm certainly not a gollum...."


~~~~~~~~

Belief is thinking within the 'box' which, in a small way, was one of the points I was 'driving at'.

Anyway, it is always to an authors benefit to hear that a reader, 'laughed out loud..." at something written, for good or for bad. Thank you.

amicus...


I must be one of the half that don't even count for this study of yours -because I still don't have a clue what you are on about.

But I've got to ask -are you saying you believe in nothing, not one thing?
 
EnglishLady...."But I've got to ask -are you saying you believe in nothing, not one thing?..."

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Yes, my dear, that is what I am saying. The word, 'belief' has no place in my vocabulary.

Assuming that your question is an honest one, or if not, then for the benefit of others who may read, the word 'belief' or to 'believe' has a dictionary definition.

It means to: "accept without factual, verifiable evidence."

I suspect it has always been a refuge for those who are not capable of rational thought.

I suspect, as Neitzche did, that it is necessary for the masses.

You may postulate on this forum or elsewhere, your 'belief' in any one of the over 1700 named religions in the world and you have every right to do so.

However, should you choose to present your 'belief' to an open forum, such as this, you should be prepared for those who will challenge your basis for exhortations.

The first step for a person wishing to utilize the rational faculties of ones mind, is to eliminate all beliefs. They do that in the first year of most colleges.

amicus...
 
a usual suspect

Amico, it seems to me that you are attempting to apply a religious conotation of the word (belief) upon every day living. This isn't possible.

Even though you refuse to give them the title, you do indeed have a great many beliefs. Observation of consistant phenoma do not in themselves constitute factual verifiable evidence. Ipso facto, you believe that the sun will rise tomorrow.

You express quite often that you believe anarchy is (the most) viable form of society without any evidence whatsoever, empirical, verifiable or undisputable.

And you also believe (as per your first) that only right thinking people are capable of running the world. As is often the case you build in a denial of your arguement in your own convolution, implied in the recognition of the aberrations of narcissistic behavior, psychotic self involvement, about gender equal I propose. < > also the fixations on addictions, drug and sexual and of course the usual one to three percent of the criminally inclined to whom ethics and morality do not exist… In effect saying that those who do rule inevitably include some or all of that group.

Perhaps not nailed but surely pinned by the shoulders onto the green baize where you can wriggle to your hearts content.
 
amicus said:
EnglishLady...."But I've got to ask -are you saying you believe in nothing, not one thing?..."

~~~~~~~~


Yes, my dear, that is what I am saying. The word, 'belief' has no place in my vocabulary.

Assuming that your question is an honest one, or if not, then for the benefit of others who may read, the word 'belief' or to 'believe' has a dictionary definition.

It means to: "accept without factual, verifiable evidence."

I suspect it has always been a refuge for those who are not capable of rational thought.

I suspect, as Neitzche did, that it is necessary for the masses.

You may postulate on this forum or elsewhere, your 'belief' in any one of the over 1700 named religions in the world and you have every right to do so.

However, should you choose to present your 'belief' to an open forum, such as this, you should be prepared for those who will challenge your basis for exhortations.

The first step for a person wishing to utilize the rational faculties of ones mind, is to eliminate all beliefs. They do that in the first year of most colleges.

amicus...

Oh, it was an honest question, I really wanted to know. And I also know that exclaiming my faith here as in any general place online and offline can lead to many people questioning that faith, to some people thinking alot less of me and those who will constantly judge me by that belief. You don't live all your life as a Christian and not know that. But I am happy proclaiming my faith, it's such a big part of my life just as your anti-faith is a massive part of your life.


And I believe, for the second time this week I just have to say

I :heart: you gauche, you've put what I was driving at in terms that amicus might just get -anything I could think of was bound to leave him wonderfully underwhelmed.
 
Give me an H
Give me a U
Give me an H
What's that?

Huh?

That was a pretty eloquent post, Ami. But I can't quite figure out what you want with it. Got a thesis? A question?

While some of the "conclusions" your assumptions are based on are laughable at best, I guess I can see no error in the end result: It's up to the few to shape history (and future) for the many. Hasn't it always been?

And...?
 
Logic

I have seen the logic of Amicus post elsewhere:

There are 55 million people in the UK.

20 million of them are under 18 or in full time education, leaving 35 million.

15 million of them are over 60, leaving 20 million.

10 million of them are not employed or in mundane part-time jobs, leaving 10 million to do the work of the country.

8 million of them work for the government, the country's infrastructure or are politicians, leaving 2 million.

1 million work for foreign companies who are not interested in this country, only in extracting profit from us, leaving 1 million.

750,000 work in sellling products, leaving 250,000.

200,000 work in the finance sector, leaving 50,000.

49,000 work at making products to sell to the rest of us, leaving 10,000.

9,000 make products that we can only sell at a bare profit, leaving 1,000.

998 make products that require significant imports to make, leaving 2 of us.

I'm getting tired. YOU should work harder or the country is going to the dogs.

Og
 
You are so full of shit that it simply boggles my feeble, liberal, female mind.
 
impressive said:
You are so full of shit that it simply boggles my feeble, liberal, female mind.

Which 'you' is that?

Me, who posted above you, or Amicus who started the thread?
Og
 
amicus said:
Discounting the ‘cows’ and the cheerleaders, I project that about ten percent, one in ten, of the females, are capable of rational thought. Problems there? (I may be generous with ten percent)

Of the males, I suggest that perhaps twenty percent are capable of rational thought, merely from biological considerations, hysteria and all that…(I may be benerous there, also.)

Clearly I am biologically incapable of rational thought.... amicus, you have done the impossible - I'm speechless.
 
oggbashan said:
Which 'you' is that?

Me, who posted above you, or Amicus who started the thread?
Og

Og - You of course. Blimey, I'm surprised you even had to ask. That Ami is a Gent - a true Gent. (He even knows obtuse is a mathematical term and doesn't mean dense, thick, dim-witted etc)
 
Once again proving that lots of words propped up by a high IQ does not translate into sense.

I love the cows and cheerleaders comment, though. Good comedy.
 
amicus said:
Conclusions:




Of the males, I suggest that perhaps twenty percent are capable of rational thought, merely from biological considerations, hysteria and all that…(I may be benerous there, also.)




Amicus…


As I have pointed out on a few occasions, you don't make the 20%.
 
My God...

I just realized that I wasted 5 minutes of my life that I'll never get back.
 
Aurora Black said:
I just realized that I wasted 5 minutes of my life that I'll never get back.

Come on. it's not that bad - I'd really like to hear how the 'cows' and 'cheerleaders' feel about things.
 
neonlyte said:
Come on. it's not that bad - I'd really like to hear how the 'cows' and 'cheerleaders' feel about things.


Did you just call 'Rora a cow ... or a cheerleader? :confused:
 
impressive said:
Did you just call 'Rora a cow ... or a cheerleader? :confused:

No No No!

I just take offence with the sentence and anyone who thinks they can post it publicily without comment will reap my scorn.
 
neonlyte said:
No No No!

I just take offence with the sentence and anyone who thinks they can post it publicily without comment will reap my scorn.

I am so up for an old fashioned scorn reapin'.
 
neonlyte said:
No No No!

I just take offence with the sentence and anyone who thinks they can post it publicily without comment will reap my scorn.

Whatever. There goes another 5 minutes.
 
neonlyte said:
No No No!

I just take offence with the sentence and anyone who thinks they can post it publicily without comment will reap my scorn.

I'm just teasin' ;)
 
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