Con artist continues to debase the office

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As if receiving unconstitutional emoluments and having psychological meltdowns on national tv wasn't enough, as if nepotism and selecting inept campaign donors to run agencies didn't sound alarms, the con artist has taken it one step further to show himself unfit for the office of the presidency.

His own company has now ordered the manufacture of new tee markers for golf courses that are emblazoned with the seal of the president of the United States. Under federal law, the seal’s use is permitted only for official government business. Misuse can be a crime.

Past administrations have policed usage vigilantly. In 2005 the Bush administration ordered the satirical news website The Onion to remove a replica of the seal. Grant M. Dixton, associate White House counsel, wrote in a letter to The Onion that the seal “is not to be used in connection with commercial ventures or products in any way that suggests presidential support or endorsement.”

But just like the con artist said it's impossible for him to have a conflict of interest which is why he still runs his companies from the oval office and uses the office to goad people into using his properties, he now believes it is perfectly acceptable to demean the office more than he already has.

Eagle Sign and Design, a metalworking and sign company with offices in New Albany, Indiana, and Louisville, Kentucky, said it had received an order to manufacture dozens of round, 12-inch replicas of the presidential seal to be placed next to the tee boxes at Trump golf course holes. Two tee markers are placed on the ground at the start of a hole on golf courses to indicate where golfers should stand to take their first swing.

“We made the design, and the client confirmed the design,” said Joseph E. Bates, who owns Eagle Sign, declining to say who the client was.

https://www.propublica.org/article/trump-inc-podcast-extra-the-trump-organization-ordered-golf-course-markers-with-the-presidential-seal-that-may-be-illegal
 
Conflict of interest?

Whoring the office out?

OH NOES!!! NOT THAT!!! :rolleyes:
 
Other presidents have ordered golfing and other supplies with the seal on it. So while it may be considered illegal, it is still done.
 
Other presidents have ordered golfing and other supplies with the seal on it. So while it may be considered illegal, it is still done.

Didn't bother to read the article, did you?

Versions of the seal have occasionally been put to personal use by past presidents. George W. Bush and Barack Obama had custom sets of golf balls made with the seal. Ronald and Nancy Reagan had a set of presidential china bearing the seal, and there have even been M&M’s and jelly beans that featured the seal.

In this case, the difference is that a private company is using the seal, said Richard Painter, vice chairman of Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, a government accountability group. Painter also served as an associate White House counsel during the George W. Bush administration.

“If we had heard of a private company using it for commercial purposes, we would have sent them a nasty letter,” he said.​
 
In this case, the difference is that a private company is using the seal, said Richard Painter, vice chairman of Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, a government accountability group.

Ohhhh that's too much, but actually whoring out the office...that's totally cool.

LOL this guy is a fucking joke, fuck him and his hypocritical bullshit.
 
Ohhhh that's too much, but actually whoring out the office...that's totally cool.

LOL this guy is a fucking joke, fuck him and his hypocritical bullshit.

How is it hypocritical to point out a clear and distinct difference between a president putting the seal on a golf ball for his own personal use, and someone putting the seal on something which will be used to earn money for themselves?
 
How is it hypocritical to point out a clear and distinct difference between a president putting the seal on a golf ball for his own personal use, and someone putting the seal on something which will be used to earn money for themselves?

Because using the office to make money for yourself is the fucking gold standard.

It's why everyone goes to D.C....to get fucking RICH!! You want to legally make millions in just a couple years while making 180k/yr?? Run for office!! It's the ONLY place in the world you can do that shit.


So we get back to Trump doing it. Is it really THAT much worse than any of the other whoring the oval office about that the last several dick bags have done?


Is it really THAT much worse than earning money for yourself by producing/approving of legislation that lets people totally take over entire markets or control major industries??? Ruining thousands of families lives....destroying untold volumes of finite resources...starting wars and killing however many thousands???

Is it really THAT much worse than earning money for yourself by doing 750,000 dollar brunches on Wall St. so that you know what the right move is next time the 0.001% need to rob the middle/working class because they crashed their companies again???

Come on....presidential golf gear is about the most benign corruption could possibly engage in. There is so much worse going on right now. To make a stink about that while letting all the other truly horrifying shit that actually gets people killed or oppressed into poverty slide seems silly to me.

LOL put the MSM down....do some Yoga or go for a run, get a little perspective beyond a rabid hatred for Trump.
 
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First it's golf tees, next it's Trump Hotels. Corruption is corruption. Plus it's the difference between what's illegal and what's legal.

We know Mueller's looking into the Trump Crime Family using the WH as its own personal ATM. Lock them all up!
 
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Whataboutism


Because using the office to make money for yourself is the fucking gold standard.

It's why everyone goes to D.C....to get fucking RICH!! You want to legally make millions in just a couple years while making 180k/yr?? Run for office!! It's the ONLY place in the world you can do that shit.


So we get back to Trump doing it. Is it really THAT much worse than any of the other whoring the oval office about that the last several dick bags have done?


Is it really THAT much worse than earning money for yourself by producing/approving of legislation that lets people totally take over entire markets or control major industries??? Ruining thousands of families lives....destroying untold volumes of finite resources...starting wars and killing however many thousands???

Is it really THAT much worse than earning money for yourself by doing 750,000 dollar brunches on Wall St. so that you know what the right move is next time the 0.001% need to rob the middle/working class because they crashed their companies again???

Come on....presidential golf gear is about the most benign corruption could possibly engage in. There is so much worse going on right now. To make a stink about that while letting all the other truly horrifying shit that actually gets people killed or oppressed into poverty slide seems silly to me.

LOL put the MSM down....do some Yoga or go for a run, get a little perspective beyond a rabid hatred for Trump.
 
First it's golf tees, next it's Trump Hotels. Corruption is corruption. Plus it's the difference between what's illegal and what's legal.

We know Mueller's looking into the Trump Crime Family using the WH as its own personal ATM. Lock them all up!

None of those things, not even being associated with real crime families like those of cosa nostra, has EVER been a problem in the past going back at least 90 years.

US politics has a solid history of both working with organized crime and whooring out the powers of their office.

Whataboutism

Is just pointing out your hypocrisy.....and no calling it “whataboutism” doesn’t make you any less the hypocrite.
 
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1. What hypocrisy? I don't recall seeing you go after Bob Corker switching his vote on the Tax Bill after they put in a real estate provision that would personally net him tens of millions. (He also stopped criticizing Trump after that.) Where were you while Trump finagled the estate tax law so it personally shoveled billions towards Jared and Ivanka? Oh yeah, you were defending the Tax Bill.

I was here complaining about it. Now I'm complaining about golf tees, mainly because I am livid about Trump not divesting from his businesses, and because the OP is specifically about Trump "debasing the office."

Show we where you've gone after anyone specific instead of blathering general whataboutisms about general corruption. Oh wait, you can't

2. As for "everyone does it,"--LOL--right. Why should we care about this crime when there's so much crime going on all the time? = whataboutism

None of those things, not even being associated with real crime families like those of cosa nostra, has EVER been a problem in the past going back at least 90 years.

US politics has a solid history of both working with organized crime and whooring out the powers of their office.



Is just pointing out your hypocrisy.....and no calling it “whataboutism” doesn’t make you any less the hypocrite.
 
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1. What hypocrisy?

The hypocrisy of your partisanship.

Crime in office and being above the law is only a problem when (R) or Trump does it.

Where were you while Trump finagled the estate tax law so it personally shoveled billions towards Jared and Ivanka?

Not taking peoples money isn't shoveling money at them, you're fucking INSANE for trying to to say as much.

Also it wasn't personally towards Jared and Ivanka, you're dishonest for trying to say as much.

Oh yeah, you were defending the Tax Bill.

No I wasn't.

Pointing out how insane you are for thinking that not taxing people is shoveling money at them isn't defending the Tax Bill.

Learn to read, take your meds.

2. As for "everyone does it,"--LOL--right. Why should we care about this crime when there's so much crime going on all the time? = whataboutism

Your team does it too and you're ok with that = whataboutism = pointing out your hypocrisy. ;)
 
Lol.

It's ok when politicians do things that blatantly enrich themselves (changing a No Vote to a Yes when you stand to make millions off the change) when you agree with the policy.

Right. It's a total coincidence that it personally helped his kids. That's what Trump says, and you believe it. :D

(?) what crimes? Obama didn't commit any crimes in office; neither did the Clintons, except for a lone perjury charge, which didn't benefit him financially.

Show me all the examples I'm ignoring


The hypocrisy of crime and exploiting offices of power only being a problem when (R) or Trump does it.



Not taking peoples money isn't shoveling money at them, you're fucking INSANE for trying to to say as much.

Also it wasn't personally towards Jared and Ivanka, you're dishonest for trying to say as much.



No I wasn't.

Pointing out how insane you are for thinking that not taxing people is shoveling money at them isn't defending the Tax Bill.

Learn to read, take your meds.



Your team does it too and you're ok with that = whataboutism = pointing out your hypocrisy. ;)
 
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It's ok when politicians do things that blatantly enrich themselves (changing a No Vote to a Yes when you stand to make millions off the change) when you agree with the policy.

That's pretty much been standard US politics for the better part of a century.

Right. It's a total coincidence that it personally helped his kids. That's what Trump says, and you believe it.

Helped lots of peoples kids, so clearly not just for his kids.

IDC what he says, but since you seem to hang on his every word, yes he's verifiable correct in stating that fact.


(?) what crimes? Obama didn't commit any crimes in office; neither did the Clintons, except for a lone perjury charge, which didn't benefit him financially.

Show me all the examples I'm ignoring

I never said they have to be crimes.

Even though some were like Hillary breeching security were crimes.

If you really need me to point out where both Clintons and Obama whored out their power for money then you're a hopelessly brainwashed partisan.
 
Well it describes you, too, so what are you complaining about, hypocrite?


That's pretty much been standard US politics for the better part of a century.

Oh, so it did help his kids? I thought you said it didn't.

Switch the goalpost: Ok, it helped his kids, but it helped others, too, so it's ok.

So when all these corrupt politicians that do things that help themselves as long as it helps someone else, it's all ok.

Helped lots of peoples kids, so clearly not just for his kids.

IDC what he says, but since you seem to hang on his every word, yes he's verifiable correct in stating that fact.

Yes, you're talking about crimes:

Crime in office and being above the law is only a problem when (R) or Trump does it.
I never said they have to be crimes.

No, I want to know the crimes, which is the topic of this thread. Otherwise, it's just whataboutism

If you really need me to point out where both Clintons and Obama whored out their power for money then you're a hopelessly brainwashed partisan.
 
Well it describes you, too, so what are you complaining about, hypocrite?

I'm not the one complaining nor the hypocrite.....

I thought you said it didn't.

You need to learn how to read.

Switch the goalpost: Ok, it helped his kids, but it helped others, too, so it's ok.

So it's not for his kids.

It's for everyone, you're the only one moving the goalpost.

Yes, you're talking about crimes:

No, I want to know the crimes, which is the topic of this thread. Otherwise, it's just whataboutism

Oh ok...that would be HRC's security violations....where she stole classified US property as SOS and was let off because elitism.

You don't even use "whataboutism" correctly....LOL
 
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You might add her plundering of the White House when she and her husband moved out. That was a long time ago, of course, but not as long ago as some of the things that are harped on now.
 
Ha ha ha ha ha

Nope, not a crime. Keep trying.

Yes it is a crime, we throw poor people in prison for far smaller infractions on a regular basis.

Just because YOU support (D) elitism doesn't make it not a crime.
 
Yeah, 2000, that wasn't as long ago as Trump, 2018

But but but Hillary waaaaaah waaah waaaah


You might add her plundering of the White House when she and her husband moved out. That was a long time ago, of course, but not as long ago as some of the things that are harped on now.
 
Why are poor people given classified information on a regular basis in the first place?
 
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