Come here you brats

[Spinoza]

I see many subs describe themselves as brats. What is it that they are trying to describe about themselves when they call themselves a brat. I never see anything else that might conotate a negative impression in their description but often with much gusto they claim they are brats. So what is the positive thing they are trying to describe when they call themselves brats.




Spin

 

[spankableBelle]

i read something on a site last night regarding the behavior and actions and attitudes of 'brat' subs that wasn't very favorable...the sub that wrote it found the attention seeking sub in an online community 'bratty and disrespectful' and lost a modicum of respect for the Doms that play into the hands of such subs while the quiet, respectful subs sat ignored because they didn't pull such pranks...

i have no opinion as i have never considered myself a bratty sub...others may have a different opinion though...lol

so, just thought i'd share what i read...(shrugs)

belle

 

[MissTaken]

Some enjoy being "bratty" for their Dom.

Some Doms enjoy this in the spirit of play.


A sub who is a oppositional and challenging , just for kicks may find herself on the warm end of a fine spanking.

It is all in the game!

 

[spankableBelle]

Oh dear...i forgot to post the site i was on when i read that...http://www.adarkwhisper.com

 

[slvjenn]

attention seeking sub

belle

I think the above are themain words there. I CAN be bratty at times, but it's always when I'm wanting attention.

 

[Spinoza]

Their proud of it

Its just my impression from the way they say it that their proud of being a brat. Not that they can be bratty at times or that its a role they occasionally play. These subs say with much gusto..Im a brat.


Spin


Still wondering

 

[SexyChele]

Interesting topic, I must say!

I don't know that I've ever referred to myself as "bratty" as I equate that to what children do. I am mouthy. I am stubborn. And I have a strong independent streak.

When I visit chatrooms that are BDSM oriented, it is the subs who are "mouthy", "teasing", and "bratty" that do get most of the attention. Why? Because they talk! It is true that most subs who sit quietly in a corner, waiting to be addressed will sit there all night. And I think Doms are more interested in subs who can hold a conversation and be playful - while maintaining respect and politeness.

I did a little "experiment" one evening. I went into a chat room as me - teasing, playful, opinionated, and "mouthy". I had more Doms talking to me, and more wanting to get to know me better than I'd ever thought possible. Then I made up an excuse, and log off. I logged back in under a different name. My persona was quiet, gentle, extremely submissive. I only spoke when addressed to, and then only answered the question put to me, or to welcome people into the room. I was left completely alone.

And this makes sense. Ever meet some one who is over submissive? Sorry to some of the gals here who say they fall into this category (but I don't think they do, or they wouldn't be posting!), but those kinds of gals are B O R I N G!!!! If I was a Dom I'd be going out of my mind!

I know that I've gotten a bit off topic here, but I think that is why some subs proudly proclaim "I'm a brat". They are seeking attention, and not always sure how to get it. Then again, it might play into some guys fantasy of age play. Who knows?

 

[Ebonyfire]

male brats

I have a couple of Domme friends who have bratty male subs. but I do not choose bratty subs because I choose them to serve me not challenge me. I am not interested in being challenged unless there is a paycheck involved.

Where I come from that is called...WORK!

Ebony

 

[Pelagie]

My name is Pelagie and I'm a bratty sub. I think it's because I'm fairly independent outside of the Dom/sub world, so it's a bit difficult to fall completely into the role as a quiet and passive sub. I'm loud and boisterous, but like most subs, I usually only act that way to get attention, especially spankings. I like being disciplined.

My Master doesn't mind. I think he'd rather have me kind of bratty than completely passive.

 

[Ebonyfire]

My name is Pelagie and I'm a bratty sub. I think it's because I'm fairly independent outside of the Dom/sub world, so it's a bit difficult to fall completely into the role as a quiet and passive sub. I'm loud and boisterous, but like most subs, I usually only act that way to get attention, especially spankings. I like being disciplined.

My Master doesn't mind. I think he'd rather have me kind of bratty than completely passive.

I said my subs are not bratty, but I did not say they were passive. that is a mistaken assumption. My subs are funny, sexy, intelligent, and very social men at the top of their careers...but they are not bratty.

Ebony

 

[spankableBelle]

Interesting topic, I must say!


When I visit chatrooms that are BDSM oriented, it is the subs who are "mouthy", "teasing", and "bratty" that do get most of the attention. Why? Because they talk! It is true that most subs who sit quietly in a corner, waiting to be addressed will sit there all night. And I think Doms are more interested in subs who can hold a conversation and be playful - while maintaining respect and politeness.

Well, perhaps then i am bratty...i am mouthy...i do tease...and i can hold conversations and be playful...but i also am quiet, introverted, and do often find myself in the corner observing...it's fun conversing with someone after some time spent in the corner and mentioning something they've said a few days later only to have them ask...'how do you know that?' <giggles> i like to think i have an equal amount of both inside of me...there are those in chatrooms that play at throwing pies at Doms and putting ice down their shirts and pulling their pants down, etc...that is not me...and that is what i have heard termed truly as 'bratty' and attention seeking and not so worthy of respect for the subs or the Doms that play along...and initially that is what the article that i read last night alluded to...

We're all entitled to 'play' at getting attention however we're comfortable doing it...~smile~

i have heard Doms express that they want a sub that is the complete opposite of the 'bratty' sub, the one that is quiet, in the corner, full of decorum, grace, and respect...yet only to turn around and lavish His attention on theself-proclaimed brat...go figure...it's like in my job...men and women all state that they want one thing because it's the 'right' thing to want, but what they'd rather do is play games...Different kinds of Doms want different kinds of subs...and vice versa...we can all learn something...

Again, my 1/2 cent worth...

belle

 

[Ebonyfire]

When I visit chatrooms that are BDSM oriented, it is the subs who are "mouthy", "teasing", and "bratty" that do get most of the attention. Why? Because they talk! It is true that most subs who sit quietly in a corner, waiting to be addressed will sit there all night. And I think Doms are more interested in subs who can hold a conversation and be playful - while maintaining respect and politeness.

to Me, it is another reason to stay out of chat rooms. I have not been in a chat room in years. I personally do not like them, and I have never gotten a sub out of a chat room. I can't stand all that virtual bowing and scrapping! LOL

Ebony

 

[dark whisper]

Hmmm.. as i wrote the article in question, i guess i need to make it a bit more clear. There is NOTING negative about stating opinions, and doing it firmly. There is a WORLD of difference between being outgoing and friendly -- and disrespectful/bratty.

No one, least of all me, feels that submissives "should" be meek and mild... speaking only when spoken to. BUT... where the article, and my focus, centered, was in the case where "submissives" manipulated a dominant to get what they wanted. Topping them from below. i'm, sorry, but how COULD this be considered anything more than a game?

Yes, yes... i know... "whatever works for the two involved" and yadda yadda. ~laughing softly~ it doesn't work for me... and that, my friends... is juuuuuuust fine.

i am submissive... i am also intelligent and opinionated. i would never DREAM of even attempting to manipulate a dominant in this manner. That's just how i am... and i'm more than comfortable in that.


aaaaaaaand.. ~grins~ that article is in my "exposed" section... a place for rants.

Good topic.... thanks for letting me talk!

dark whisper

http://www.adarkwhisper.com

 

[Lancecastor]

Balance

One challenge with the Internet is I can't "see" the kind of women I like to meet IRL.... the quiet, graceful, mannerly woman with great posture sitting demurely to the side.

That doesn't mean these people are total wallflowers or silent by nature or lacking in opinions, intelligence or articulation; they are simply not as extroverted as some.

By contrast, the women I meet IRL who are mouthy, interrupt, don't listen well, get noisy and defensive and go off topic to tell you how you've offended them...because everything is always about "them"....I generally avoid.

I guess I seek balance in a female friend, because I believe I am balanced IRL as well....I am extroverted primarily, but also have a contemplative side that obviously isn't always "seen" in text.

I have no easy answers to this challenge, but sometimes a lurking participant will write me a brief note to say "hi", which I translate as a slight smile from across the room.

And I rather like that.

Cheers;
Lance

 

[Daddyslilpet]

I consider myself to be in the outgoing and friendly catagory. I'm not comfortable with myself in a bratty role. Its just not me.


dixi

 

[Ebonyfire]

I consider myself to be in the outgoing and friendly catagory. I'm not comfortable with myself in a bratty role. Its just not me.


dixi

you are fun, dixi! Got a great sense of humor! IMHO

Eb

 

[Daddyslilpet]

you are fun, dixi! Got a great sense of humor! IMHO

Eb

Thank you Ebony. That means alot to me.


dixi

 

[MsWorthy]

Originally posted by SexyChele
. . .
When I visit chatrooms that are BDSM oriented, it is the subs who are "mouthy", "teasing", and "bratty" that do get most of the attention. Why? Because they talk! It is true that most subs who sit quietly in a corner, waiting to be addressed will sit there all night. And I think Doms are more interested in subs who can hold a conversation and be playful - while maintaining respect and politeness.

I did a little "experiment" one evening. I went into a chat room as me - teasing, playful, opinionated, and "mouthy". I had more Doms talking to me, and more wanting to get to know me better than I'd ever thought possible. Then I made up an excuse, and log off. I logged back in under a different name. My persona was quiet, gentle, extremely submissive. I only spoke when addressed to, and then only answered the question put to me, or to welcome people into the room. I was left completely alone.

And this makes sense. Ever meet some one who is over submissive? Sorry to some of the gals here who say they fall into this category (but I don't think they do, or they wouldn't be posting!), but those kinds of gals are B O R I N G!!!! If I was a Dom I'd be going out of my mind!

I know what you mean about the chatrooms, Chele. The people who talk (not just the subs, the dom/mes too) are the ones who get the attention.

However, when I go into chat I am looking for entertainment, not looking for a submissive to form a relationship with. It's somewhat like looking for a date. When looking for a date (not a future mate) most people look for someone who will be fun and entertaining (or will "put out" ). This is not necessarily the type of person one would chose to marry.

. . . i have heard Doms express that they want a sub that is the complete opposite of the 'bratty' sub, the one that is quiet, in the corner, full of decorum, grace, and respect...yet only to turn around and lavish His attention on theself-proclaimed brat...go figure...it's like in my job...men and women all state that they want one thing because it's the 'right' thing to want, but what they'd rather do is play games...Different kinds of Doms want different kinds of subs...and vice versa...we can all learn something...

I have heard (mostly men) casual friends describe a person that they went out with as someone they love to date but not someone they would marry.

When I was interested (and looking for) a life partner, I looked for the more quiet, deferential women. In my daily life, I don't want to compete for attention. You might be surprised just how wise and intelligent these types of people are. Not boring at all.

 

[spankableBelle]

Hmmm.. as i wrote the article in question, i guess i need to make it a bit more clear. There is NOTING negative about stating opinions, and doing it firmly. There is a WORLD of difference between being outgoing and friendly -- and disrespectful/bratty.

No one, least of all me, feels that submissives "should" be meek and mild... speaking only when spoken to. BUT... where the article, and my focus, centered, was in the case where "submissives" manipulated a dominant to get what they wanted. Topping them from below. i'm, sorry, but how COULD this be considered anything more than a game?

Yes, yes... i know... "whatever works for the two involved" and yadda yadda. ~laughing softly~ it doesn't work for me... and that, my friends... is juuuuuuust fine.

i am submissive... i am also intelligent and opinionated. i would never DREAM of even attempting to manipulate a dominant in this manner. That's just how i am... and i'm more than comfortable in that.


aaaaaaaand.. ~grins~ that article is in my "exposed" section... a place for rants.

Good topic.... thanks for letting me talk!

dark whisper

http://www.adarkwhisper.com

you are most welcome to talk any time here...your opinions and thoughts are just as important as anyone else here (now where have i heard that before...?)

i certainly didn't mean any disrespect in alluding to your article...i found in it, as in most of the others, insightfulness...your opinions are your own and at times are shared by others...i happen to agree with what you'd stated...and this topic caught my eyes simply for that reason...~smile~

belle

 

[Spinoza]

confusion on what a brat is

There seems to be a little confusing and mingling of words here. Being a brat and being mouthy has nothing to do with having an opinion or being a tease.

Here are some of the things that were stated that I see as describing a brat

mouthy, interrupt, don't listen well, get noisy and defensive and go off topic to tell you how you've offended them...because everything is always about "them"....I generally avoid.

play at throwing pies at Doms and putting ice down their shirts and pulling their pants down, etc...

TOPPING FROM THE BOTTOM


That is what it is to be a brat. Not simply stating your opinion or taking part in a conversation. Heck I think it is bratty to sit their and force the Dom into a situation where he has to pull every iota of information out of you. The subs I see who do that in general are very guilty of that last line there..'topping from the bottom' they sit there and want someone to make them or force them to do exactly what they want to do anyway and when your not making them do exactly what they wanted they usually leave.


By the way what I look for is a submissive tease although in all my chat room conversations cant say that I have really ever come across one

 

[Persephone36]

Well, there's a big difference between being a passive-aggressive person (and they exist in all forms) and someone who's fairly confident being themselves.

Acting out -- unless it just genuinely done for the sake of being humorous, a little seductive and provocative -- gets to be a bore.

It's just as dull as someone who's afraid of their shadow.

Being gracious, charming and having manners -- doesn't mean you're necessarily an introverted person. I'm quite extroverted and I'm almost always described with those adjectives. Hell, lol, I made a career out of having those attributes.

But we're all attracted to a different kind of person on that extroverted-introverted continuum -- and generally, we all slide a bit on it ourselves anyway.

But being obnoxious and rude -- is just well, being obnoxious and rude. I would guess that's the kind of bratty we're sort of talking about here. Not someone with a mind who knows how to think for themselves and express themselves in an articulate manner with confidence. And isn't going to let someone push them around, just because they say they're a Dom and you're a sub. Hogwash. Being sexually submissive, certainly in my book, is not about being pushed around. I think with topping from the bottom -- the way I've seen it defined intelligently -- has more to do with hidden anger and aggression -- than being challenging in a playful way.

P.

 

[lilredwolph]

i have to say the term bratty is relative only to the relationship you are in. i AM a bratty sub and proud to be one. bratty does not always mean disrespectful, out of line or show a need for disapline.

i am a brat no if ands or buts about it, my Dom knows this I know this, i am not disrespecting him by doing it. there are differant levels and ways of being bratty, just because i am a brat DOES NOT mean i am not a well behaved sub nor does it mean that i am topping from the bottom. it just means i have fun and play games with in my relationship.

 

[Ebonyfire]

To each his/her own

I make no judgment about bratty subs. I just have a different preference. Now if a Dom/me is happy, and the sub is happy, good for them. Different strokes for different folks.

Ebony

 

[lilredwolph]

i kind of look at it like this there are 2 differant kinds of "brats"
there are the brat type which are disresceptful, out of line, seeking attention anyway they can get it ect..., than there are the bratty type which are playful, scamplike goofballs that like to giggle and make others giggle with them

i am bratty

 

[Pelagie]

By your definition Spinoza, (I would qoute you, but I don't know how and I'm too lazy to learn) I would not classify myself as a brat. I suppose that I would classify myself more as a fun loving sub. I like to play, but I don't think that makes me disrespectful, even though others may feel that it does.