Columbus Day

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I assume everyone is very well-acquainted with my personal opinion of Columbus, but this article hits several points/issues better than I ever could:

It isn't all about Columbus
By James Reston Jr.

Columbus Day is the most ignored, the most embarrassing, the least significant of all our national holidays. The solution is simple: Just as the birthdays of Lincoln and Washington have been consolidated into one Presidents' Day in February, so Columbus Day should be broadened to celebrate all discovery. The pantheon of our heroic discoverers should be expanded from Leif Ericsson to our modern astronauts, from Lewis and Clark to Adm. Robert E. Perry, from the scientific discoveries of DNA to the glorious discoveries of the Hubble Space Telescope.

It is time to move this holiday into the new millennium.

The country did not get the message of the quincentennial disaster of 1992. Then, the plans to celebrate the 500th anniversary of Columbus' "discovery" were met with widespread contempt, boycott and protest. In the mind of many in this country, the negatives of the Columbus legacy far outweigh the positives:

What we know

Columbus did not discover the Western Hemisphere (for Europe) at all. Leif Ericsson had done so 492 years earlier. Scientific carbon-dating of the Viking settlement at L'Anse aux Meadows in Newfoundland has proven that the Vikings were there in the year A.D. 1000.

• When 40 million people already lived here, Columbus "discovered" America only for European colonizers and exploiters.

• His departure for America was bound up with expulsion of Spanish Jews from Spain, with the Inquisition of Tomas Torquemada, and with the defeat of the Islamic Moors of Grenada. But for those events, Columbus' voyage would never have been authorized.

• Columbus was the First Conquistador. He came for gold and to Christianize the natives. He found little gold; he baptized only a few benighted souls; and when the gold proved to be scarce, he turned to the "black gold" of enslavement. His natural successors then were Francisco Pizarro and Hernando Cortes, but no cities in Peru are named after Pizarro, and there is no national holiday in Mexico to honor Cortes.

His arrival in the New World began a process of genocide. The Taino peoples of the Caribbean who welcomed him openly on the island he named Hispaniola numbered 300,000 when Columbus arrived. After the tuberculosis, small pox and measles that his fellow explorers brought with them, the Taino population was cut in half in four years. In 1508, only 60,000 were left, and by the mid-16th century, the Tainos were exterminated.

His second voyage of colonization was financed partly by gold that was confiscated by the Spanish Inquisition from the estates of expelled Jews.

His crew called him a fool and a madman. So poor an administrator of his colony was he that he was relieved of command and brought back in chains from his Third Voyage. At best, the myth of Columbus is, therefore, a mixed blessing. He cannot and should not, however, be held up as a figure of contempt. His vision, bravery and accomplishment are beyond question.

For more than 12 years, he persisted in his obsession about a Western passage to the Orient. Head unbowed, he suffered countless rebukes from quacks and pseudo-scientists to press his vision, and he experienced many rejections from the Spanish monarchs and others. He braved the unknowns of the "Gloomy Sea," weathered storms and near mutiny, and vastly expanded European knowledge of the world. His return home from the First Voyage is a triumph of navigation and leadership. But that is not the whole story.

For a country that might be a quarter Hispanic and half minority by the year 2050, our national celebration in October requires a radical makeover.

Discovering the whole story

In our cultural life, Columbus needs to be officially diminished, and in the new pantheon in the new millennium, he needs to be joined by other great discoverers of American history. If that were to happen, American educators would rejoice. They would be liberated from the embarrassing constraints of the Columbus legend, just as they could vastly expand the range of their teaching. The stories about the geographical exploration of the continent are rich and fascinating, yet under-appreciated.

For example, how many Americans know that, beside his quest for the fountain of youth, Ponce de Leon was a crewmember on Columbus' second voyage (the one that endeavored to bring back 550 slaves, half of whom died at sea) or that he founded the first permanent settlement on Puerto Rico?

How many Americans know that John Cabot, the erstwhile "discoverer" of North America, was actually Italian - Giovanni Caboto was his real name - and that he carried both the English and the Venetian flags on his voyage? By rights, Newfoundland should be half-Venetian.

Instead of a narrow, sanitized, disturbing version of our creation myth, students could achieve a far greater awareness of how the American continent was "discovered." There could be a much more honest debate about who benefited and who suffered from a process that often had greed and rapine at its core. Native Americans could take their rightful place in the narrative of our evolution as a nation. The pioneers of the laboratory and the telescope could join the pioneers of American settlement because in the new millennium, science - notgeography - presents us with our frontiers.

Every community in the USA, not just the Italian-Americans, could join in this new celebration of American discovery, invention, pioneering spirit, ingenuity and industry, across the expanse of human endeavor, and make of this long weekend in October something more than an annual enjoyment of autumn leaves.

James Reston Jr.'s new book is titled Dogs of God: Columbus, the Inquisition, and the Defeat
 
I've hated Columbus day since I worked at the newspaper, inserting ads in the comics from 9pm to 9am Thursday thru Sunday. Columbus day, a holiday on which no one gets a day off, no one does anything special, and there are a lot of things going on sale. :rolleyes: It's a selfish and silly reason, but I hate Columbus day.
 
I assume everyone is very well-acquainted with my personal opinion of Columbus, but this article hits several points/issues better than I ever could:
Cloudy,

James Reston, Jr. comes from a talented writing family. His father, James "Scotty" Reston did a prime job of voicing issues better than most other writers for many years.

Rumple Foreskin :cool:
 
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Rumple Foreskin said:
Cloudy,

James Reston, Jr. comes from a talented writing family. His father, James "Scotty" Reston did a prime job of voicing issues better than most other writers for many years.

Rumple Foreskin :cool:

I loved the article. It said all the things I want to, but in a calm, reasoned manner. ;)
 
cloudy said:
I loved the article. It said all the things I want to, but in a calm, reasoned manner. ;)
Me too. I woke up this morning and said "Columbus can eat me! So can the post office and the motherfucking bank!" :devil:
 
OhMissScarlett said:
Me too. I woke up this morning and said "Columbus can eat me! So can the post office and the motherfucking bank!" :devil:

well, my reasons for disliking it are a tad different, but that's cool. :D
 
cloudy said:
well, my reasons for disliking it are a tad different, but that's cool. :D
Everything being closed is just an infuriating reminder of the fact that people are still observing this nonsense. Usually I spend the whole day ranting about it, but I'll spare y'all. ;)
 
cloudy said:
well, my reasons for disliking it are a tad different, but that's cool. :D


As long as we all agree. Columbus Day sucks! For so many reasons.

I've noticed a trend in recent years for 'anti-valentines day' celebrations.

Of course if you have an anti-columbus day, people will say, "why do you hate America?"
 
OhMissScarlett said:
Everything being closed is just an infuriating reminder of the fact that people are still observing this nonsense. Usually I spend the whole day ranting about it, but I'll spare y'all. ;)

Do you have school aged kids? You could be even more infuriated that they still teach the same nonsence that they did when we were kids.
 
sweetnpetite said:
As long as we all agree. Columbus Day sucks! For so many reasons.

I've noticed a trend in recent years for 'anti-valentines day' celebrations.

Of course if you have an anti-columbus day, people will say, "why do you hate America?"

....and conveniently forget the fact that Columbus never even set foot on this continent.
 
cloudy said:
....and conveniently forget the fact that Columbus never even set foot on this continent.


Why do you hate America cloudy?

possible answer: I don't hate it; I just want it back.
 
A. Its more fun to refer to it as 'men never stop for directions day'

B. Growing up in Minnesota we NEVER had the day off for school and there were always huge protests about it.

C. I now celebrate columbus day as the monday I recover from my trip to columbus Ohio to stare at cowboy eyecandy ;)

Mmmmm cowboy ass makes the world a better place.

but yeah its a half ass holiday and changing it to doscovery day would be awesome.

~Alex
 
sweetnpetite said:
Do you have school aged kids? You could be even more infuriated that they still teach the same nonsence that they did when we were kids.
Not until next year, but I do remember how we popped popcorn and wore construction paper "Columbus" hats to "celebrate" when I was in third grade. :rolleyes:
 
Christopher Columbus
what do you think of that?
A big fat lady sat upon my hat
It broke and that's no joke
That big fat lady I could choke!


No kidding- that was a real song our music teacher taught us in elementary school. And we sang it every year.
 
sweetnpetite said:
Christopher Columbus
what do you think of that?
A big fat lady sat upon my hat
It broke and that's no joke
That big fat lady I could choke!


No kidding- that was a real song our music teacher taught us in elementary school. And we sang it every year.
That song is politically incorrect on so many levels.... :D
 
Columbus' impact on Jamaica

a story posted here in March 2004: Xaymaca

a story that was repeated many times on the islands I think...


In an effort to avoid being called back to Spain, Columbus sank several of his ships off Jamaica. He still had to go back, but later returned to the island where many of the population were sick and dying from a number of diseases. The healthy ones became servants, concubines and worse.
 
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In defense of Christopher Columbus.......

Yes it is true that Christopher Columbus was not the first to discover North America. Pity the Vikings could not have maintained trade and colonies. Yes the voyages did happen as a result of expelling the Muslims from Spain, but wasn't it Spainish territory? Expelling the Jews wasn't necessary and done mostly to get property. Yes Europeans brought diease with them....but they themselves struggled with these illnesses. It wasn't Bio warfare where they were with holding a cure back on the ships.

Columbus discovered America like you might discover a new Chinese resturant in your neighborhood. People are there when you get there and your probably not the first, but you arrive and let all your friends know.

To me Columbus is like the many members of the space program. Wasn't the first but his mission was important none the less...I don't blame him for what happen to Native Americans. Actually I blame the first tribes to encounter the Spainards. They should have slaughtered them took their weapons and ships and learned to build them and bought time.
 
Jagged said:
Yes it is true that Christopher Columbus was not the first to discover North America. Pity the Vikings could not have maintained trade and colonies. Yes the voyages did happen as a result of expelling the Muslims from Spain, but wasn't it Spainish territory? Expelling the Jews wasn't necessary and done mostly to get property. Yes Europeans brought diease with them....but they themselves struggled with these illnesses. It wasn't Bio warfare where they were with holding a cure back on the ships.

Columbus discovered America like you might discover a new Chinese resturant in your neighborhood. People are there when you get there and your probably not the first, but you arrive and let all your friends know.

To me Columbus is like the many members of the space program. Wasn't the first but his mission was important none the less...I don't blame him for what happen to Native Americans. Actually I blame the first tribes to encounter the Spainards. They should have slaughtered them took their weapons and ships and learned to build them and bought time.

"like a new Chinese restaurant"??????

WTF?
 
How did I guess you wouldn't understand that......


You find something new to you.....and your people. Looking back on history Columbus was one of the few not the only. He had a better press agent is all....good for him.
 
cloudy said:
Columbus did not discover the Western Hemisphere (for Europe) at all. Leif Ericsson had done so 492 years earlier. Scientific carbon-dating of the Viking settlement at L'Anse aux Meadows in Newfoundland has proven that the Vikings were there in the year A.D. 1000.

According to the early Icelandic sagas, the first sighting of North America was by a skipper named Bjarni Herjulfsson, who was on his first voyage from Iceland to visit his family in Greenland and got off course], probably due to fog or a storm. Bjarni's discoveries were followed up a few years later, probably around AD 1000, by Leif Erikson. Leif visited and named three countries, Helluland, Markland and Vinland.

Helluland was a rocky and barren land, thought to be Baffin Island and northern Labrador. Markland was a low forested coast, thought to be today's southern Labrador. Vinland was a land of good grazing and timber, which Leif named after the grapes he found. He and his crew spent the winter there and then returned home to Greenland with a cargo of grapes and timber. The site where Leif Erickson wintered is thought [by some at least] to probably be on Cape Cod, not L'Anse aux Meadows in Newfoundland.

Leif's reports led to four voyages to what the Vikings thought was Vinland over the next ten years. [The Vikings were excellent long diatance sailors in the Knorr ship. However, precise navigation was NOT their forte.] Tales of these voyages are known to us through two sagas that were preserved in Icelandic oral traditions. In the 13th century these tales were written down as The Greenlanders' Saga and Erik the Red's Saga.

The first voyage was led by Leif's brother Thorvald. He spent at least two winters in the houses that Leif had built, and explored the neighbouring coasts. They were the first people to meet the indigenous peoples, with whom they fought, and Thorvald was killed by an arrow. The next year, another brother, Thorstein Erikson, set out to recover Thorvald's body, but summer storms prevented him from sighting land.

The third expedition was the largest and was led by an Icelander named Thorfinn Karlsefni who intended to settle in Vinland. Karsefni's expedition was almost certainly the ruins found at L'Anse aux Meadows in Newfoundland and proably dates to 1014AD. Karlsefni's son Snorri was the first European child born in the New World. During their three years in Vinland, Karlsefni's people explored further, and met and traded with the indigenous peoples for furs. Eventually, however, relations with the natives turned hostile. There were two battles and the Norse abandoned their colony and sailed home. [The Vikings had a religion in which there were creatures who had the form of men, but were not men and could not be killed. When the Vikings would meet a skraeling [savage] they would try to kill the savage. If the savage did not die, he was an evil troll. If the savage did die, he was proved a human. For some reason, the skraelings [Amerinds] did not appreciate the confirmation of their humanity and attacked the Vikings. [What we had was a classic failure to communicate.]

There was a fourth expedition which dissolved into fueding and outright war among the Vikings and came to nothing.
 
Jagged said:
How did I guess you wouldn't understand that......


You find something new to you.....and your people. Looking back on history Columbus was one of the few not the only. He had a better press agent is all....good for him.

So...to you the genocide of my folks was just like cleaning out a restaurant when you're hungry??????
 
I tried to explain discovery......that is what I was trying to do in what I said.


I won't say I am sorry for European Ancestors nobody should. They did what they thought was right. I am sure you don't have to explain selling cigaretts and having casinos on reservations. I am sure that would be a source of pride among your ancestors.
 
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