Col Hogan

[bellisarius]

I know you like this stuff so here's one for you that has flown under the "It's the Russians, it's the Russians" radar of the press.

New Executive Order

Section One should have some folks concerned.

 

[fgarvb1]

Dammit BOY!

Mr. Trump found himself a lawyer!

 

[bellisarius]

Dammit BOY!

Mr. Trump found himself a lawyer!

What I find interesting about that EO is that if Trump actually did collude with the Russians he just signed his own indictment, along with a few other well known people.

 

[fgarvb1]

What I find interesting about that EO is that if Trump actually did collude with the Russians he just signed his own indictment, along with a few other well known people.

Drugs,Illegal aliens,selling well... lots or other stuff.

I think Hillary just shit herself!

He is just the type of loon that would do it too!

 

[bellisarius]

Drugs,Illegal aliens,selling well... lots or other stuff.

I think Hillary just shit herself!

He is just the type of loon that would do it too!

He signed it but you can bet some very clever White House lawyers wrote it. Lawyers that he hand picked.

 

[fgarvb1]

He signed it but you can bet some very clever White House lawyers wrote it. Lawyers that he hand picked.

Did you READ that thing!

He got his money worth!

Not use to a POTUS trying to do the best he can... and not caring if school keeps or not...

Wonder what else he has up his sleeve?

Oh, there will be HELL raised and law suites filled!

 

[bellisarius]

Did you READ that thing!

He got his money worth!

Not use to a POTUS trying to do the best he can... and not caring if school keeps or not...

Wonder what else he has up his sleeve?

Of course I did. Another question is why hasn't the press reported it?

 

[fgarvb1]

Right as the Christmas Holiday started...went right under the radar.

For now! A trick used by both parties by the way.

 

[bellisarius]

Right as the Christmas Holiday started...went right under the radar.

For now! A trick used by both parties by the way.

Actually he signed it on the 20th, smack dab in the middle of the week. Not on a Friday as has been the custom for many years now. The press had plenty of time to tell us what a maniac he is. Just as they ignored the little proviso in the Tax bill that authorizes lethal arms sales to the Ukraine. Bet ya Putin demanded that one.

 

[fgarvb1]

For old times sake!

EXECUTIVE ORDER
- - - - - - -
BLOCKING THE PROPERTY OF PERSONS INVOLVED IN SERIOUS HUMAN
RIGHTS ABUSE OR CORRUPTION
By the authority vested in me as President by the
Constitution and the laws of the United States of America,
including the International Emergency Economic Powers Act
(50 U.S.C. 1701)(IEEPA), the National Emergencies Act (50
U.S.C. 1601 et seq.)(NEA), the Global Magnitsky Human
Rights Accountability Act (Public Law 114-328) (the “Act”),
section 212(f) of the Immigration and Nationality Act of
1952 (8 U.S.C. 1182(f)) (INA), and section 301 of title 3,
United States Code,
I, DONALD J. TRUMP, President of the United States of
America, find that the prevalence and severity of human
rights abuse and corruption that have their source, in
whole or in substantial part, outside the United States,
such as those committed or directed by persons listed in
the Annex to this order, have reached such scope and
gravity that they threaten the stability of international
political and economic systems. Human rights abuse and
corruption undermine the values that form an essential
foundation of stable, secure, and functioning societies;
have devastating impacts on individuals; weaken democratic
institutions; degrade the rule of law; perpetuate violent
conflicts; facilitate the activities of dangerous persons;
and undermine economic markets. The United States seeks to
impose tangible and significant consequences on those who
commit serious human rights abuse or engage in corruption,
as well as to protect the financial system of the United
States from abuse by these same persons.
I therefore determine that serious human rights abuse and
corruption around the world constitute an unusual and
extraordinary threat to the national security, foreign
policy, and economy of the United States, and I hereby
declare a national emergency to deal with that threat.
I hereby determine and order:
Section 1. (a) All property and interests in property that
are in the United States, that hereafter come within the
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United States, or that are or hereafter come within the
possession or control of any United States person of the
following persons are blocked and may not be transferred,
paid, exported, withdrawn, or otherwise dealt in:
(i) the persons listed in the Annex to this order;
(ii) any foreign person determined by the Secretary of
the Treasury, in consultation with the Secretary of State
and the Attorney General:
(A) to be responsible for or complicit in, or to
have directly or indirectly engaged in, serious human
rights abuse;
(B) to be a current or former government
official, or a person acting for or on behalf of such
an official, who is responsible for or complicit in,
or has directly or indirectly engaged in:
(1) corruption, including the
misappropriation of state assets, the
expropriation of private assets for personal
gain, corruption related to government contracts
or the extraction of natural resources, or
bribery; or
(2) the transfer or the facilitation of the
transfer of the proceeds of corruption;
(C) to be or have been a leader or official of:
(1) an entity, including any government
entity, that has engaged in, or whose members
have engaged in, any of the activities described
in subsections (ii)(A), (ii)(B)(1), or (ii)(B)(2)
of this section relating to the leader’s or
official’s tenure; or
(2) an entity whose property and interests
in property are blocked pursuant to this order as
a result of activities related to the leader’s or
official’s tenure; or
(D) to have attempted to engage in any of the
activities described in subsections (ii)(A),
(ii)(B)(1), or (ii)(B)(2) of this section; and
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(iii) any person determined by the Secretary of the
Treasury, in consultation with the Secretary of State and
the Attorney General:
(A) to have materially assisted, sponsored, or
provided financial, material, or technological support
for, or goods or services to or in support of:
(1) any activity described in subsections
(ii)(A), (ii)(B)(1), or (ii)(B)(2) of this
section that is conducted by a foreign person;
(2) any person whose property and interests
in property are blocked pursuant to this order;
or
(3) any entity, including any government
entity, that has engaged in, or whose members
have engaged in, any of the activities described
in subsections (ii)(A), (ii)(B)(1), or (ii)(B)(2)
of this section, where the activity is conducted
by a foreign person;
(B) to be owned or controlled by, or to have
acted or purported to act for or on behalf of,
directly or indirectly, any person whose property and
interests in property are blocked pursuant to this
order; or
(C) to have attempted to engage in any of the
activities described in subsections (iii)(A) or (B) of
this section.
(b) The prohibitions in subsection (a) of this section
apply except to the extent provided by statutes, or in
regulations, orders, directives, or licenses that may be
issued pursuant to this order, and notwithstanding any
contract entered into or any license or permit granted
before the effective date of this order.
Sec. 2. The unrestricted immigrant and nonimmigrant entry
into the United States of aliens determined to meet one or
more of the criteria in section 1 of this order would be
detrimental to the interests of the United States, and the
entry of such persons into the United States, as immigrants
or nonimmigrants, is hereby suspended. Such persons shall
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be treated as persons covered by section 1 of Proclamation
8693 of July 24, 2011 (Suspension of Entry of Aliens
Subject to United Nations Security Council Travel Bans and
International Emergency Economic Powers Act Sanctions).
Sec. 3. I hereby determine that the making of donations of
the types of articles specified in section 203(b)(2) of
IEEPA (50 U.S.C. 1702(b)(2)) by, to, or for the benefit of
any person whose property and interests in property are
blocked pursuant to this order would seriously impair my
ability to deal with the national emergency declared in
this order, and I hereby prohibit such donations as
provided by section 1 of this order.
Sec. 4. The prohibitions in section 1 include:
(a) the making of any contribution or provision of funds,
goods, or services by, to, or for the benefit of any person
whose property and interests in property are blocked
pursuant to this order; and
(b) the receipt of any contribution or provision of funds,
goods, or services from any such person.
Sec. 5. (a) Any transaction that evades or avoids, has the
purpose of evading or avoiding, causes a violation of, or
attempts to violate any of the prohibitions set forth in
this order is prohibited.
(b) Any conspiracy formed to violate any of the
prohibitions set forth in this order is prohibited.
Sec. 6. For the purposes of this order:
(a) the term “person” means an individual or entity;
(b) the term “entity” means a partnership,
association, trust, joint venture, corporation, group,
subgroup, or other organization; and
(c) the term “United States person” means any United
States citizen, permanent resident alien, entity organized
under the laws of the United States or any jurisdiction
within the United States (including foreign branches), or
any person in the United States.
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Sec. 7. For those persons whose property and interests in
property are blocked pursuant to this order who might have
a constitutional presence in the United States, I find that
because of the ability to transfer funds or other assets
instantaneously, prior notice to such persons of measures
to be taken pursuant to this order would render those
measures ineffectual. I therefore determine that for these
measures to be effective in addressing the national
emergency declared in this order, there need be no prior
notice of a listing or determination made pursuant to this
order.
Sec. 8. The Secretary of the Treasury, in consultation
with the Secretary of State, is hereby authorized to take
such actions, including adopting rules and regulations, and
to employ all powers granted to me by IEEPA and the Act as
may be necessary to implement this order and section
1263(a) of the Act with respect to the determinations
provided for therein. The Secretary of the Treasury may,
consistent with applicable law, redelegate any of these
functions to other officers and agencies of the United
States. All agencies shall take all appropriate measures
within their authority to implement this order.
Sec. 9. The Secretary of State is hereby authorized to take
such actions, including adopting rules and regulations, and
to employ all powers granted to me by IEEPA, the INA, and
the Act as may be necessary to carry out section 2 of this
order and, in consultation with the Secretary of the
Treasury, the reporting requirement in section 1264(a) of
the Act with respect to the reports provided for in section
1264(b)(2) of that Act. The Secretary of State may,
consistent with applicable law, redelegate any of these
functions to other officers and agencies of the United
States consistent with applicable law.
Sec. 10. The Secretary of the Treasury, in consultation
with the Secretary of State and the Attorney General, is
hereby authorized to determine that circumstances no longer
warrant the blocking of the property and interests in
property of a person listed in the Annex to this order, and
to take necessary action to give effect to that
determination.
Sec. 11. The Secretary of the Treasury, in consultation
with the Secretary of State, is hereby authorized to submit
recurring and final reports to the Congress on the national
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emergency declared in this order, consistent with section
401(c) of the NEA (50 U.S.C. 1641(c)) and section 204(c) of
IEEPA (50 U.S.C. 1703(c)).
Sec. 12. This order is effective at 12:01 a.m., Eastern
Standard Time, December 21, 2017.
Sec. 13. This order is not intended to, and does not,
create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural,
enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the
United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its
officers, employees, or agents, or any other person.
THE WHITE HOUSE,

 

[bellisarius]

The EO's do make for interesting reading.

There are those on the right that see the most recent as a means of going after members of the previous administration. I'm not so certain that's true. The Constitution still has the 'ex post facto' clause (although willie waving Willy got past that with his tax increases).

However, the Clinton Foundation is an ongoing concern and talk on the street has it that Obama was going to (or has) set up a similar money laundering operation.

 

[fgarvb1]

The EO's do make for interesting reading.

There are those on the right that see the most recent as a means of going after members of the previous administration. I'm not so certain that's true. The Constitution still has the 'ex post facto' clause (although willie waving Willy got past that with his tax increases).

However, the Clinton Foundation is an ongoing concern and talk on the street has it that Obama was going to (or has) set up a similar money laundering operation.

I think the reason it did not get more attention might be he may not have tweeted about it...or it sounded so boring they ignored it.

 

[bellisarius]

I think the reason it did not get more attention might be he may not have tweeted about it...or it sounded so boring they ignored it.

Food for thought. He's not 'tweeted' about very many of his EO's at all. He uses his 'tweets' like one would use a laser pointer with a cat. The press chases them around religiously. It's amusing to watch.

 

[Hypoxia]

Where is the annex naming names?

 

[bellisarius]

Where is the annex naming names?

Google is your friend. It's EO 13818

 

[bellisarius]

Where is the annex naming names?

The first on the list, Muhktar Hamid Shah, a Pakistani doctor, is a real peach. He holds captives and harvests them for body parts. Mostly Kidney transplants. Heart, Liver, Lung, etc. are mostly 'terminal' for the donor's.

 

[Colonel Hogan]

Of course I did. Another question is why hasn't the press reported it?

Probably because the annex has only 13 names that no one recognizes. If a "Putin" had shown up on the list, that might have gotten a bigger reaction from a lot of folks. I'm not certain this signifies a great deal.

https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2017/12/26/2017-27925/blocking-the-property-of-persons-involved-in-serious-human-rights-abuse-or-corruption

 

[bellisarius]

Probably because the annex has only 13 names that no one recognizes. If a "Putin" had shown up on the list, that might have gotten a bigger reaction from a lot of folks. I'm not certain this signifies a great deal.

https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2017/12/26/2017-27925/blocking-the-property-of-persons-involved-in-serious-human-rights-abuse-or-corruption

As you and I both know annexes can be appended at anytime. It's an open ended list.

My question to you is more towards a general reading and how it may apply.

 

[Colonel Hogan]

As you and I both know annexes can be appended at anytime. It's an open ended list.

My question to you is more towards a general reading and how it may apply.

Well, it certainly IS open ended and could probably apply as broadly as you are anticipating it could apply.

My only point is, IF it is going to apply that broadly, why the hell did it only start with 13 names that I'm guessing few people have heard of? I haven't heard of a single one. Not that that means anything, but when it comes to notorious human rights abusers and corruption specialists, are those the most logical offenders to chose in order to start draining the swamp?

 

[jaF0]

Ahhh, looks like Klink let somebody out of the cooler.

 

[bellisarius]

Well, it certainly IS open ended and could probably apply as broadly as you are anticipating it could apply.

My only point is, IF it is going to apply that broadly, why the hell did it only start with 13 names that I'm guessing few people have heard of? I haven't heard of a single one. Not that that means anything, but when it comes to notorious human rights abusers and corruption specialists, are those the most logical offenders to chose in order to start draining the swamp?

You have to start somewhere. I'm betting the press is scrambling it's ass off to find out who those people are. More importantly from my point of view, how many in DC are breaking a sweat?

My take? He's going to let the investigations run their course before any name of note are added to the list. The reasons for that are politically obvious.

Re. my previous reference to the ex post facto clause, I don't think any of the previous admin folks have to worry too much other than legal expenses. But ongoing concerns, such as The Clinton Foundation, may be in jeopardy. As well as any interference by previous officials in Trumps foreign policy initiatives. The days of previous presidents sticking their nose in foreign affairs may be over(?).

 

[Comshaw]

Well, it certainly IS open ended and could probably apply as broadly as you are anticipating it could apply.

My only point is, IF it is going to apply that broadly, why the hell did it only start with 13 names that I'm guessing few people have heard of? I haven't heard of a single one. Not that that means anything, but when it comes to notorious human rights abusers and corruption specialists, are those the most logical offenders to chose in order to start draining the swamp?

You have to start somewhere. I'm betting the press is scrambling it's ass off to find out who those people are. More importantly from my point of view, how many in DC are breaking a sweat?

My take? He's going to let the investigations run their course before any name of note are added to the list. The reasons for that are politically obvious.

Re. my previous reference to the ex post facto clause, I don't think any of the previous admin folks have to worry too much other than legal expenses. But ongoing concerns, such as The Clinton Foundation, may be in jeopardy. As well as any interference by previous officials in Trumps foreign policy initiatives. The days of previous presidents sticking their nose in foreign affairs may be over(?).

There are only 13 that no one has ever heard of so it LOOKS LIKE some thing was accomplished by this, when in actuality nothing was. Smoke and mirrors at it's best.


Comshaw

 

[bellisarius]

There are only 13 that no one has ever heard of so it LOOKS LIKE some thing was accomplished by this, when in actuality nothing was. Smoke and mirrors at it's best.


Comshaw

Or a 'shot across the bow'?

 

[bellisarius]

There are only 13 that no one has ever heard of so it LOOKS LIKE some thing was accomplished by this, when in actuality nothing was. Smoke and mirrors at it's best.


Comshaw

Adding to my previous answer, all sorts of doors open pending the results of the on-going investigations.

This un-Trumpeted (pun intended) has a purpose far beyond smoke and mirrors.

 

[about_average]

Of course I did. Another question is why hasn't the press reported it?

Like this not reporting it?
http://www.motherjones.com/politics...emlin-official-linked-to-trump-tower-meeting/

The new sanctions were imposed after President Donald Trump on Thursday issued an executive order that declares that “serious human rights abuse and corruption around the world constitute an unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security, foreign policy, and economy of the United States.” The order is required under the Global Magnitsky Act, enacted in late 2016 under President Barack Obama.

Or this one?
https://www.politico.com/story/2017...-rights-abusers-executive-order-russia-255032