Coincidence

[SimonDoom]

Yeah get rid of it.

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MelissaBaby rated your story Star Gazing 5 stars

This is a terrible idea and it's never, ever, ever going to happen. Why is that not obvious to everybody?

A CRUCIAL aspect of this site is how easy and democratic and, yes, anonymous it is. You can read stories without registering, and you can vote on stories without registering and while being anonymous. This is very important to a lot of people visiting a site that features what many consider smut.

This is a feature, not a bug.

As a reader, which I am, I don't want anything in any way to restrict my ability to vote or comment on a story. The site understands this, and it's not going to place any limits on the ability of readers to vote.

As an author, I don't want any restrictions on the ability to readers to vote, either. I want as many reads and votes as possible. I do NOT understand how bothered authors are by bad votes. Get over it. Deal with it. It's part of the landscape you have to deal with as an author. Some people are going to think your stuff is shit. So what?

 

[KeithD]

It just stops people from hiding behind their votes.

How does it do that? Aren't most people who aren't incredibly naive hiding their real self behind an assumed account name?

 

[ElectricBlue]

There's an argument that a '1' is a legitimate opinion, and as such a valid vote, but personally I think that if a story's voting is 55555555555555455555555555555555545555555555551 then that 1 is not a legitimate vote at all.

(ETA also those people who voted 4 have a special place in hell reserved for them)

You're assuming that every 1 is troll vote because it's seen frequently as trolling behaviour. However, it's also clear to me that many readers do apply their own scoring scale consistently, and do rate stories on a 1 through 5 scale on a genuine basis; that is, they're reading the whole story and voting. So yes, it can be trolling, but it can be fair dinkum.

Most readers must be voting using a wide scale, because how else do you explain the wide ranges of scores that you see? In that context, I'd argue that the vote string you posit above contains just as much junk voting, because no story warrants a "Perfect Five", no matter how well written it is.

 

[MelissaBaby]

This is a terrible idea and it's never, ever, ever going to happen. Why is that not obvious to everybody?

A CRUCIAL aspect of this site is how easy and democratic and, yes, anonymous it is. You can read stories without registering, and you can vote on stories without registering and while being anonymous. This is very important to a lot of people visiting a site that features what many consider smut.

This is a feature, not a bug.

As a reader, which I am, I don't want anything in any way to restrict my ability to vote or comment on a story. The site understands this, and it's not going to place any limits on the ability of readers to vote.

As an author, I don't want any restrictions on the ability to readers to vote, either. I want as many reads and votes as possible. I do NOT understand how bothered authors are by bad votes. Get over it. Deal with it. It's part of the landscape you have to deal with as an author. Some people are going to think your stuff is shit. So what?

I don't like getting one bombed any more than anyone else, but I do not believe it is a big enough problem to necessitate major changes.

 

[MelissaBaby]

How does it do that? Aren't most people who aren't incredibly naive hiding their real self behind an assumed account name?

And what proof is there that unregistered readers one bomb more than members do?

 

[RejectReality]

I've watched that "(Name) voted on your story!" play out as well. The result was animosity and retaliation by people who normally wouldn't even consider it. The feature was quickly reversed because it caused so much bad blood, and an absolute explosion in retaliation votes.

Remember, when the majority of scores are over 4.0, a vote of 4 reduces your score. The more scores are inflated and homogenized ( another thing that happens when you limit the pool of voters ) the stronger this effect is.

 

[Lifestyle66]

This is a terrible idea and it's never, ever, ever going to happen. Why is that not obvious to everybody?

A CRUCIAL aspect of this site is how easy and democratic and, yes, anonymous it is. You can read stories without registering, and you can vote on stories without registering and while being anonymous. This is very important to a lot of people visiting a site that features what many consider smut.

This is a feature, not a bug.

As a reader, which I am, I don't want anything in any way to restrict my ability to vote or comment on a story. The site understands this, and it's not going to place any limits on the ability of readers to vote.

As an author, I don't want any restrictions on the ability to readers to vote, either. I want as many reads and votes as possible. I do NOT understand how bothered authors are by bad votes. Get over it. Deal with it. It's part of the landscape you have to deal with as an author. Some people are going to think your stuff is shit. So what?

My point for this thread isn't about someone hating my story with a 1 rating.

My point was "there's a turd in the swimming pool", here to follow my story ratings and to repeatedly follow every 4 or 5 vote with a 1.

Now, let's give this a little thought: Why would any reader merely pick out my story to do this? With all of the stories on LitE posted every day, I would think readers would have to be VERY triggered to focus on any one of them to spend hours watching the ratings on one story. (aka the thread "Coincidence")

So, it's my guess the turd in this pool has been triggered by something I've posted elsewhere (ie. here in the AH.)

 

[Bramblethorn]

not even close.

Its how another site I have been on rates people.

It just stops people from hiding behind their votes.

How does that site prevent people from creating alts for downvoting?

How does that site prevent voting from being distorted by "I scratched your back so now you gotta scratch mine" patterns?

 

[TarnishedPenny]

Agreed in part to both arguments, but a datum for general consideration. No matter how long one of my stories may be and no matter what genre and regardless of how else it might be scoring, between 0600 and 0630 local, I get one vote equating to a 1. Yes, it’s part of the game and I’m not losing sleep over it, but no, that’s not ‘fair artistic criticism’.

 

[Andrew1968]

Anybody who writes “loving wives” type stories, which deal with cuckolding/hot-wives/sharing and swapping themes and publishes those stories in LW is gonna have to take their beating and then walk it off.

If you write that stuff and put it in LW, then it’s going to be crapped on. Everyone surely knows how the game is played. There are a whole bunch of people watching the LW category every day and they will swoop in and bomb a story which deals with cuckolding/hot-wives/sharing and swapping. That crowd cannot be reasoned with. That crowd cannot be negotiated with. You can’t educate that crowd. Their reaction is entirely predictable. You can’t just go: “look my fun sharing story isn’t as bad as the cuck/humiliation stories, so how about giving us a break, how about being friends with me, hey?” The crowd there in LW only likes monogamy, traditional values and God-fearing folk, and that’s all they like…

That crowd seems to be giving authors a way out of the relentless LW/low score dilemma: “if you post it in Fetish, or interracial, or BDSM then we’re probably gonna ignore it…”

For some reason that crowd in the LW category is determined to “cleanse” that one category. They want to drive out the cuckolding/hot-wives/sharing and swapping stories from LW and bring “cleanliness” to LW. Of course, those stories will just pour into other places at Literotica – you can’t repress a strong sexual fantasy – it will just pour into other avenues and show up elsewhere and even in other forms…

Lifestyle: your latest story is very well written. I can see you’ve spent a lot of time and effort on it. Well done to you! Obviously, the story deserves more than a 1 to 2 rating. You can seek a way out in Fetish, or interracial, or BDSM or just keep walking off the endless low scores in LW. You don’t have just one stalker; you have many stalkers…

 

[BobbyBrandt]

@Lifestyle66

As I committed to in another thread, I needed to read one of your stories to grasp how you were positioning them as chapters through their titles but stating that they were episodic parts of a series. I did so with your latest.

First of all, great job! I had no trouble quickly understanding the characters and the back-story of their lifestyle. I haven't read more than the one, but I could see you having the option of compiling all of these into a much larger work for publication.

One solution to 1-votes that I haven't seen mentioned is for all of us authors to support one another better. I do not suggest that we collectively 5-bomb each other's stories, but taking the opportunity to read, vote, and comment on other author's stories shouldn't be that much of an imposition.

I will try to do better for all of you myself.

 

[Rob_Royale]

My votes over the past few hours were 141515141114, in that order, with the 4, three 1's, and a 4 coming just after I posted this thread in AH!

How can you see what the votes were? I've never seen a function that shows this data.

 

[TxRad]

Does anyone have any idea how many times these ideas have been floated in the AH over the last dozen years?

Want to guess how much has been implemented on them? Absolutely nothing and that is the way it will stay.

 

[Lifestyle66]

How can you see what the votes were? I've never seen a function that shows this data.

You can't see the votes or the order.

As I said, when my story posts, I track the votes on and off during the first day or two. And depending on what I'm doing that day, I might refresh my author's page every ten or fifteen minutes (if I'm at my tablet computer), or maybe every few hours if I'm busy with other work.

So, when I see the rating change from 1.54 with 26 votes to 1.52 with 27 votes, I know I received a 1. Then maybe an hour later it changes to 1.60/28 votes, I received a 4. Minutes later, it's 1.58/29, which means another 1.

It was the "minutes later" which caught my attention and made this a challenge to watch the pattern more closely.

I gather enough data to show me sufficient time gaps between up votes, quickly followed by a 1 to postulate that "I have a turd following and 1-bombing my story"!

 

[PennameWombat]

How can you see what the votes were? I've never seen a function that shows this data.

You have to be watching the votes arrive via your control panel. If the votes are slow enough or you're persistent, you can keep refreshing as each vote comes in.

If you have three votes and a score of 4.66, you know the total points is 14, only possible with a 5, 5, 4, even if you don't know the precise order. If your score drops to 3.75 at the next vote, you know that's a 1.

 

[Lifestyle66]

Anybody who writes “loving wives” type stories, which deal with cuckolding/hot-wives/sharing and swapping themes and publishes those stories in LW is gonna have to take their beating and then walk it off.

If you write that stuff and put it in LW, then it’s going to be crapped on. Everyone surely knows how the game is played. There are a whole bunch of people watching the LW category every day and they will swoop in and bomb a story which deals with cuckolding/hot-wives/sharing and swapping. That crowd cannot be reasoned with. That crowd cannot be negotiated with. You can’t educate that crowd. Their reaction is entirely predictable. You can’t just go: “look my fun sharing story isn’t as bad as the cuck/humiliation stories, so how about giving us a break, how about being friends with me, hey?” The crowd there in LW only likes monogamy, traditional values and God-fearing folk, and that’s all they like…

That crowd seems to be giving authors a way out of the relentless LW/low score dilemma: “if you post it in Fetish, or interracial, or BDSM then we’re probably gonna ignore it…”

For some reason that crowd in the LW category is determined to “cleanse” that one category. They want to drive out the cuckolding/hot-wives/sharing and swapping stories from LW and bring “cleanliness” to LW. Of course, those stories will just pour into other places at Literotica – you can’t repress a strong sexual fantasy – it will just pour into other avenues and show up elsewhere and even in other forms…

Lifestyle: your latest story is very well written. I can see you’ve spent a lot of time and effort on it. Well done to you! Obviously, the story deserves more than a 1 to 2 rating. You can seek a way out in Fetish, or interracial, or BDSM or just keep walking off the endless low scores in LW. You don’t have just one stalker; you have many stalkers…

Thanks, but I know the potholes in LW, and I do choose to play around those dangers.

My point with this thread wasn't to decry a low score due to 1-bombing trolls (I expected that). My point was the the pattern and timing of the appearance of the 1's indicates persistence of some individual following the rating and jumping in with additional 1's after every upvote. That's why I named this thread "Coincidence" (I think not).

I've tried to point out in the past that there are "authors" here who, when feeling offended, will call up your story list and 1-bomb all of your stories. And those same ones with anonymously upvote their own stories, which accounts for some of the unusually high ratings on what reads as a poorly written story. Some are that petty.

Now, with that said, I see my story was at 2.0/48 which means that overnight, the up votes are winning or the turd was asleep. And it just jumped to 2.06/49 with someone adding a 5. I'll see if my dedicated hater is awake or if they're just tiring of the game. But this is all fun and games!

 

[nice90sguy]

Until I find a strong correlation beween story scores and how much I like the story, I will to continue to give very few fucks about story scores. I just want the search facilities to improve so I don't have to trawl through stuff that does nothing for me to find the story that hits the spot.

Three of my stories here were posted not too long ago under another user name. Two of them have a much higher score than they did the first time, whicle the other has a much lower score. Butterfly effect, IMO.

 

[Lifestyle66]

@Lifestyle66

As I committed to in another thread, I needed to read one of your stories to grasp how you were positioning them as chapters through their titles but stating that they were episodic parts of a series. I did so with your latest.

First of all, great job! I had no trouble quickly understanding the characters and the back-story of their lifestyle. I haven't read more than the one, but I could see you having the option of compiling all of these into a much larger work for publication.

One solution to 1-votes that I haven't seen mentioned is for all of us authors to support one another better. I do not suggest that we collectively 5-bomb each other's stories, but taking the opportunity to read, vote, and comment on other author's stories shouldn't be that much of an imposition.

I will try to do better for all of you myself.

Thanks for the encouragement. My earlier stories are not very well written, but they do build the initial environment for the MC and MFC characters. Lifestyle Ch. 11 - Demons Past, in particular, is where I wanted to build the MFC's motivations for her behavior after the critical hits I took from last year's Pink Orchid entry (Her Bucket List: Strip Club). So, those critiques helped me to understand that I need to provide the motives with the majority of the characters for the story to make sense, otherwise it's just a scene.

 

[BobbyBrandt]

Thanks, but I know the potholes in LW, and I do choose to play around those dangers.

My point with this thread wasn't to decry a low score due to 1-bombing trolls (I expected that). My point was the the pattern and timing of the appearance of the 1's indicates persistence of some individual following the rating and jumping in with additional 1's after every upvote. That's why I named this thread "Coincidence" (I think not).

I've tried to point out in the past that there are "authors" here who, when feeling offended, will call up your story list and 1-bomb all of your stories. And those same ones with anonymously upvote their own stories, which accounts for some of the unusually high ratings on what reads as a poorly written story. Some are that petty.

Now, with that said, I see my story was at 2.0/48 which means that overnight, the up votes are winning or the turd was asleep. And it just jumped to 2.06/49 with someone adding a 5. I'll see if my dedicated hater is awake or if they're just tiring of the game. But this is all fun and games!

That must have been the well-deserved 5 that I gave you this morning.

 

[SimonDoom]

My point for this thread isn't about someone hating my story with a 1 rating.

My point was "there's a turd in the swimming pool", here to follow my story ratings and to repeatedly follow every 4 or 5 vote with a 1.

Now, let's give this a little thought: Why would any reader merely pick out my story to do this? With all of the stories on LitE posted every day, I would think readers would have to be VERY triggered to focus on any one of them to spend hours watching the ratings on one story. (aka the thread "Coincidence")

So, it's my guess the turd in this pool has been triggered by something I've posted elsewhere (ie. here in the AH.)

If this is really a deliberate scheme there's a good chance the sweeps will catch them and knock them out.

 

[EmilyMiller]

I noticed with my latest story published just last night an odd pattern of ratings.

I'm not obsessed with ratings, but throughout the day for the first day or two, I'll refresh my author page to see the latest. And at one point, I was going out of the house after checking the rating, when I switch to my cellphone and updated that author page. I found one more vote of a 1. Then over the course of the next hours, every time I saw the score go up, a few minutes later it would go down with another 1-bomb. And hour might go by with no votes, then an up and another down within minutes!

I have a stalker!

One of the really healthy things for me about being on Lit, and AH in particular, is realizing that I’m not a total outlier when it comes to being analy retentive .

Em

 

[Lifestyle66]

One of the really healthy things for me about being on Lit, and AH in particular, is realizing that I’m not a total outlier when it comes to being analy retentive .

Em

You're anally retentive?

Now there's a joke in there somewhere.

 

[EmilyMiller]

You're anally retentive?

Now there's a joke in there somewhere.

Just add creampies .

Em

 

[djrip]

Just add creampies .

Em

Anally acquisitive?

 

[EmilyMiller]

Anally acquisitive?

This went downhill fast… .

Em