Cloudy!

Cloudy, i'm sorry to say i haven't caught up on the thread, but i'm glad you're back :kiss:

ps. indirect, one sided phone conversations are hilarious :D

:kiss: glad you're back, you are part of what makes this place so special.

p.s. i love the av, and i laugh coz i know the 'why?' behind it ;) :D
 
Cloudy, i'm sorry to say i haven't caught up on the thread, but i'm glad you're back :kiss:

ps. indirect, one sided phone conversations are hilarious :D

:kiss: glad you're back, you are part of what makes this place so special.

p.s. i love the av, and i laugh coz i know the 'why?' behind it ;) :D

love you too, sweets. :heart:
 
I hold back from saying what I think in some threads, not for fear of backlash but for fear of fanning flames that are already dangerously hot.

I agree with this, to an extent. However, if someone's not willing to put their reputation here on the line by saying what they really think, then they should leave it at that. They have no business trashing someone behind their back. That's the kind of cowardice I'm referring to.
 
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*coughs* You sure?
And I changed my sig picky people...
N ot on my account, lovie-- I always have siggies off.

I like to concentrate on what people say:)

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Somebody hurry up and be mean to Cloudy. Otherwise I will have to do it and she will either kiss me into submission or kick my ass...
Get started on that-- I'm selling tickets! :D
 
A truth.

Some people, whether we call it cowardice (a very confrontational term) or shyness or social anxiety or sheer niceness (as that can be a factor in at least one or two I'm aware of), simply don't feel comfortable criticizing others. Some feel so uncomfortable about doing so with particular others that they'd rather just avoid all confrontation about it.

This happens.

I can think of a few people, here on the boards, regarding me that would rather make comments around me, even about me, but won't speak to me. They're socially, and confrontationally, not particularly confidant--or feel as though it would be harrassing or frustrating to make me angry (though I don't much often ever get angry).

I suppose we can label it cowardice--but I think that's not accurate for all cases. If you feel like you're going to catch an ocean of shit from someone, be berated and belittled or verbally brow-beaten for having an opinion, it isn't easy directly expressing that. And that you have conversations about it with people more conversationally accomodating isn't a sin, nor a crime.

I'd just like to make sure we're not blanketedly generalizing, here. I, personally, don't think its always a matter of cowardice for those that are afraid of the confrontation. I don't think that's being particularly fair, its too broad and highly judgemental.

If we're going to play fast and loose and general with the term "cowardice", then passive aggressive commentary is cowardice, running is cowardice, and indirection is cowardice.

(I don't believe any of those are necessarily true, but "when in Rome")
 
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A truth.

Some people, whether we call it cowardice (a very confrontational term) or shyness or social anxiety or sheer niceness (as that can be a factor in at least one or two I'm aware of), simply don't feel comfortable criticizing others. Some feel so uncomfortable about doing so with particular others that they'd rather just avoid all confrontation about it.

This happens.

I can think of a few people, here on the boards, regarding me that would rather make comments around me, even about me, but won't speak to me. They're socially, and confrontationally, not particularly confidant--or feel as though it would be harrassing or frustrating to make me angry (though I don't much often ever get angry).

I suppose we can label it cowardice--but I think that's not accurate for all cases. If you feel like you're going to catch an ocean of shit from someone, be berated and belittled or verbally brow-beaten for having an opinion, it isn't easy directly expressing that. And that you have conversations about it with people more conversationally accomodating isn't a sin, nor a crime.

I'd just like to make sure we're not blanketedly generalizing, here. I, personally, don't think its always a matter of cowardice for those that are afraid of the confrontation. I don't think that's being particularly fair, its too broad and highly judgemental.

Joe, my point is that if they aren't comfortable saying....whatever, about me, about you, or about Sub Joe ;), publicly, then trashing that person behind their back is not only cowardly (in my opinion), but reeks of junior high-ish behavior. I would like to think we're all adults here, but sometimes I wonder.
 
Joe, my point is that if they aren't comfortable saying....whatever, about me, about you, or about Sub Joe ;), publicly, then trashing that person behind their back is not only cowardly (in my opinion), but reeks of junior high-ish behavior. I would like to think we're all adults here, but sometimes I wonder.

Hey. I thought you bounced.

:cool:
 
Joe, my point is that if they aren't comfortable saying....whatever, about me, about you, or about Sub Joe ;), publicly, then trashing that person behind their back is not only cowardly (in my opinion), but reeks of junior high-ish behavior. I would like to think we're all adults here, but sometimes I wonder.
No, no. I understand your point, I do. I just do not think it covers the full base of the events in question. It is possible its an unrelated idea about the private conversations of others, but I don't think that's likely or intuitive. There is, sometimes, a context that makes labelling things like those in question junior-high-ish or merely cowardly less than accurate.
 
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No, no. I understand your point, I do. I just do not think it covers the full base of the events in question. It is possible its an unrelated idea about the private conversations of others, but I don't think that's likely or intuitive. There is, sometimes, a context that makes labelling things like those in question junior-high-ish or merely cowardly less than accurate.

If I've untangled your sentences accurately, I have to agree.
And on that topic;
Sometimes, it's not about the target at all. We have members here who are for whatever reason, profoundly shy, or gunshy. Seems weird to me too-- The internet is the safest way to disagree, IMO. But, there it is and we have to respect that...

And we have members here who are not that facile with words. They may not be able to express why they are upset. So their complaints come out as "trashing." Maybe?
 
If I've untangled your sentences accurately, I have to agree.
And on that topic;
Sometimes, it's not about the target at all. We have members here who are for whatever reason, profoundly shy, or gunshy. Seems weird to me too-- The internet is the safest way to disagree, IMO. But, there it is and we have to respect that...

And we have members here who are not that facile with words. They may not be able to express why they are upset. So their complaints come out as "trashing." Maybe?

I don't see how being called a troll could be called anything but "trashing."
 
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Welcome Back Cloudy!

(And I thought the WoW forum trolls were bad... at least those I can shoot...)
 
Of course 'troll' means 'anyone who disagrees with me.' Back in 1998 or so a troll was a kid who trashed a chatroom with profanity. Now it's anyone with a different viewpoint.

Did anyone seriously believe our resident Princess of Drama could stay away? C'mon!
 
Of course 'troll' means 'anyone who disagrees with me.' Back in 1998 or so a troll was a kid who trashed a chatroom with profanity. Now it's anyone with a different viewpoint.

Did anyone seriously believe our resident Princess of Drama could stay away? C'mon!

James, darling, I've already told you at least ten times that you're too old for me. You wouldn't even last a night in the sack with me, much less an hour.

I realize that dreams are hard to let go of, but you'll have to move on, ok?
 
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