^^^In mourningIf Netanyahu had concentrated on finding Sinwar instead of running up the civilian body count in Gaza, there would be a lot more civilians alive in Gaza right now.
But he didn't, so they aren't.
See? I can do that too!
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Under what city was he killed?If Netanyahu had concentrated on finding Sinwar instead of running up the civilian body count in Gaza, there would be a lot more civilians alive in Gaza right now.
But he didn't, so they aren't.
See? I can do that too!
goodIf Netanyahu had concentrated on finding Sinwar instead of running up the civilian body count in Gaza, there would be a lot more civilians alive in Gaza right now.
But he didn't, so they aren't.
See? I can do that too!
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Pfft...let's not do any more questions....let's just listen to some music...who the hell wants to hear questions?
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I’ll help you. The answer is Rafah.Pfft...let's not do any more questions....let's just listen to some music...who the hell wants to hear questions?
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Well that certainly changes everything.
Seriously, you can't tell one pile of rubble from another in Gaza anymore.
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It does. Kamala Harris is right. Israel’s decision to ignore the White House and launch operations in Rafah represents a major change in the situation. Here’s what she said this week:Well that certainly changes everything.
Seriously, you can't tell one pile of rubble from another in Gaza anymore.
“Today, there is clear progress toward that goal. Hamas is decimated, and its leadership is eliminated.
“This moment gives us an opportunity to finally end the war in Gaza, and it must end such that Israel is secure, the hostages are released, the suffering in Gaza ends, and the Palestinian people can realize their right to dignity, security, freedom, and self-determination. And it is time for the day after to begin without Hamas in power.”
Here’s what she said in March:
“Any major military operation in Rafah would be a huge mistake. I have studied the maps – there’s nowhere for those folks to go. And we’re looking at about a million and a half people in Rafah who are there because they were told to go there.”
Perhaps.
But 30 days later will be after the American election. Whoever wins, outgoing President Biden will have a ready excuse to change his mind on the "deadline." Besides, even if Israel allowed all the supply trucks to freely roll across the border, Hamas isn't going to stop shooting. The Israelis will shoot back. The resulting conflict will substantially hamper the delivery of those supplies to Hamas (and the supplies WILL be taken by Hamas first, because they are the ones with the guns!). As for Lebanon, same thing: Hizbullah will keep firing at Israel and nobody will expect Israel to do nothing in response.
Anyway, who in the diplomatic community really believes the American government is certain to stick to a "deadline" given their past history of confusion in dealing with the region?
Why not the Iranians? They've got all the oil money. Better they spend it on building roads and apartment buildings than on rockets and missiles to blow up those roads and apartment buildings!
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President Biden is for all intents and purposes a lame duck president, he will suffer no political repercussions if he chooses to enforce his dictates upon the country of Israel. You are correct, we will have a new president come next January, and that president can choose a policy of her liking.
You are also correct, America has "drawn a bright line in the sand before" with other countries and not followed through, but they have lacked the ability to back up their demands without committing US troops and have been hesitant to do so.
The United States, however, possesses unpareralled leverage with Israel: Without United States backing, Israel as a country would soon cease to exist. The American pipeline feeds the Israeli war machine.
The Israeli military policy of the past year in Gaza appears to have been to first and foremost, minimize Israeli casualties, and secondly, kill as many Gazan civilians as possible to try to force the nebulous "Hamas" to surrender.
This is contrary to all rules of war, and exposes a horrific moral blind spot in the Israeli populace. Israel is content to drop American munitions on schools, mosques and hospitals from 20,000 feet in the air on a near-daily basis with no real danger of Gazan reprisal.
Evidently the Israeli government decision to starve all Gazans in the northern half of Gaza was too much for even the Americans to overlook. I believe the Israelis were counting on American obsession with the upcoming presidential election to ramp up their cruelty and count on the American public not noticing.
Deprived of American largesse, Israel would have to commit large quantities of ground troops to do actual fighting. Committing Israeli ground troops is deeply unpopular with the Israel populace.
No reasonable person thinks that the American deadline will stop Gazans and Israelis from killing each other, this is not at issue right now. The issue is minimizing civilian casualties. Virtually the entire world stands united against Israel (the United States being the last belated country to join) to condemn the indefensible killing of tens of thousands of civilians in Gaza.
This is not so much a "war" as a "continual war crime", and America has taken positive steps towards stopping this criminal activity.
If Israel is going to be grossly irresponsible with offensive weapons and not set up guarded and adequately supplied safe zones for civilian refugees, Israel should only receive defensive systems from the USA.
Netayahu said "Fuck You" to his benefactors too many times. This narrative about him bringing about peace through beligerance is pure naive bullshit. This conflict is getting more entrenched by the hour.
Netayahu said "Fuck You" to his benefactors too many times. This narrative about him bringing about peace through beligerance is pure naive bullshit. This conflict is getting more entrenched by the hour.
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The route is simple, hand over the hostages or die.
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Just be sure to blame Russia, Iran, and Hezbollah when Lebanon ends up looking like Gaza.
Side note:
Those Hezbollah, (etc) idiots keep giving Netanyahu gifts.
As long as they keep attacking, Netanyahu will get increased military support from the U.S. and increased support from the Israeli people.
And now Netanyahu has even more justification for a major retaliation against Iran that will very likely result in the U.S. becoming more directly involved.
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my point is simply that the death of the terrorist sinwar has not quelled attacks by hezbollahJust be sure to blame Russia, Iran, and Hezbollah when Lebanon ends up looking like Gaza.
Side note:
Those Hezbollah, (etc) idiots keep giving Netanyahu gifts.
As long as they keep attacking, Netanyahu will get increased military support from the U.S. and increased support from the Israeli people.
And now Netanyahu has even more justification for a major retaliation against Iran that will very likely result in the U.S. becoming more directly involved.
i am more than happy that piece of scum is dead. I fear it won't bring back the hostages.
the hopes that his death will provide a window for the end to the war can only be realised if Iran backs off (unlikely, since with russian interests in prolonging the conflict to deny Biden a political 'win' ahead of November)), hezbollah quits, hamas doesn't find its reduced numbers bolstered by civilians who now truly hate Israel, and netanyahu doesn't plan on trying to push into land he has no business being in. As for the hostages, how many are even still alive? The wife of one hostage and a former hostage herself has great fears for the safety now of any hostages still alive.
The U.S's direct involvement in a war with Iran isn't something to be glad about; there were restrictions in place before that kept Iran in a box but trump did away with those. They can and should be reinstated, not have young American men and women sacrificed in a war netanyahu desires so badly for his own political life.
If only it could be limited to that observation…
For every action, a reaction…
Physics, and tit for tat…
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Press Freedom Groups Urge Biden To Demand Israel Allow Media Access In Gaza
with over 128 journos killed, with another source placing that closer to 170, since Oct 7th's terrorist attack, Gaza has become the most dangerous place to be a journalist in the world.
and before anyone states the obvious, of course hamas should agree to reporters seeing the hostages and aid workers bringing them some relief... but then again hamas are supposed to be the only terrorists of the two and so it's expected they'll not conform
with over 128 journos killed, with another source placing that closer to 170, since Oct 7th's terrorist attack, Gaza has become the most dangerous place to be a journalist in the world.
i'm sure there will be posters here who will dismiss that number as untrustworthy. Is the number put forward by the CPJ any moreso? That is 'the Committee to Protect Journalists', a 'media watchdog that has been tracking the historic number of journalist casualties resulting from Israel’s ongoing decimation of Gaza.'
and before anyone states the obvious, of course hamas should agree to reporters seeing the hostages and aid workers bringing them some relief... but then again hamas are supposed to be the only terrorists of the two and so it's expected they'll not conform
Any true journalist that went into Gaza and tried to report independently and honestly would be taken hostage or killed by Hamas. (If killed by Hamas, the journalist’s death would be blamed on Israel.)
It can be definitely stated that the only journalists who can operate in Gaza, are sympathetic to, or affiliated with, Hamas - just like in Russia, China, Iran, etc.
Perhaps.
But the allies in WWII were perfectly content to drop lots of bombs on Germans and Italians and Japanese (not to mention Romanians, occupied French territory, etc.) in pursuing the objective of the defeat of their enemy. Is this in any way different?
True, the Americans do possess "leverage" in the sense that they could cut off aid to the Israelis, just as the Iranians possess "leverage" in that they could withdraw their support of terrorist groups. Also, the Americans have in the past withdrawn their support. President Eisenhower did so during the Suez crisis, for example.
However, we mustn't forget that in this case the people the Israelis are fighting are people who danced in the streets to celebrate the 11 September massacres in New York and Washington and who killed something in the neighbourhood of three dozen American citizens on October 7 and still hold American citizens hostage.
I certainly hope the Americans (whoever happens to be in charge when the 30 day deadline expires) will be able to convince the Israelis to declare victory and convince Hamas and Hizbullah to stop shooting, through the application of "leverage" or whatever means are necessary.
But I think it unlikely.
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DEI strikes again. I immediately thought about this person when the leak of Israeli war plans was announced. I mentioned her some months back:
David Israel
October 22, 2024
https://www.jewishpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/10/A-Pentagon-official-accused-Ariane-Tabatabai-an-assistant-to-Secretary-of-Defense-Lloyd-Austin-of-leaking-top-secret-documents-to-Iran..jpg
A Pentagon official told Sky News in Arabic that the investigation being conducted by intelligence agencies in Washington into the leaking to Tehran documents of the IDF plan to strike Iran has begun to indicate “suspicion” of the involvement of a senior employee in the Pentagon.
The American official added that the employee suspected of leaking the documents is an American of Iranian origin named Ariane Tabatabai.
Ariane Tabatabai is an Iranian-American scholar of political science, writer, and senior policy advisor to the United States Department of Defense. After the Biden administration took office in January 2021, she joined the US negotiating team in nuclear negotiations with Iran. Between 2021 and 2022, she served as an advisor to Robert Malley, the chief promoter of pushing a deal with Iran at any cost.
Members of the US Congress, especially Republicans, have pointed out that Robert Malley was investigated after being suspected of having dealt with classified information without prior permission and of having secret contacts with Iranian figures.
More here: https://www.jewishpress.com/news/us...leaking-retaliation-plans-to-iran/2024/10/22/
last year there was an article about how Iranian spy Robert Malley helped to infiltrate her into high office in the Pentagon. His efforts have now come home to roost. Biden was warned and he did nothing.
Lee Smith
October 01, 2023
The Biden administration’s now-suspended Iran envoy Robert Malley helped to fund, support, and direct an Iranian intelligence operation designed to influence the United States and allied governments, according to a trove of purloined Iranian government emails. The emails, which were reported on by veteran Wall Street Journal correspondent Jay Solomon, writing in Semafor, and by Iran International, the London-based émigré opposition outlet which is the most widely read independent news source inside Iran, were published last week after being extensively verified over a period of several months by the two outlets. They showed that Malley had helped to infiltrate an Iranian agent of influence named Ariane Tabatabai into some of the most sensitive positions in the U.S. government—first at the State Department and now the Pentagon, where she has been serving as chief of staff for the assistant secretary of defense for special operations, Christopher Maier.
On Thursday, Maier told a congressional committee that the Defense Department is “actively looking into whether all law and policy was properly followed in granting my chief of staff top secret special compartmented information.”
The emails, which were exchanged over a period of several years between Iranian regime diplomats and analysts, show that Tabatabai was part of a regime propaganda unit set up in 2014 by the Iranian Foreign Ministry. The Iran Experts Initiative (IEI) tasked operatives drawn from Iranian diaspora communities to promote Iranian interests during the clerical regime’s negotiations with the United States over its nuclear weapons program. Though several of the IEI operatives and others named in the emails have sought to portray themselves on social media as having engaged with the regime in their capacity as academic experts, or in order to promote better understanding between the United States and Iran, none has questioned the veracity of the emails.
The contents of the emails are damning, showing a group of Iranian American academics being recruited by the Iranian regime, meeting together in foreign countries to receive instructions from top regime officials, and pledging their personal loyalty to the regime. They also show how these operatives used their Iranian heritage and Western academic positions to influence U.S. policy toward Iran, first as outside “experts” and then from high-level U.S. government posts. Both inside and outside of government, the efforts of members of this circle were repeatedly supported and advanced by Malley, who served as the U.S. government’s chief interlocutor with Iran under both the Obama and the Biden administrations. Malley is also the former head of the International Crisis Group (ICG), which directly paid and credentialed several key members of the regime’s influence operation.
More here: https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/israel-middle-east/articles/iran-spy-ring-robert-malley-lee-smith
Lloyd Austin needs to be fired as well.
Pentagon Employee Suspected of Leaking Retaliation Plans to Iran
ByDavid Israel
October 22, 2024
https://www.jewishpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/10/A-Pentagon-official-accused-Ariane-Tabatabai-an-assistant-to-Secretary-of-Defense-Lloyd-Austin-of-leaking-top-secret-documents-to-Iran..jpg
A Pentagon official told Sky News in Arabic that the investigation being conducted by intelligence agencies in Washington into the leaking to Tehran documents of the IDF plan to strike Iran has begun to indicate “suspicion” of the involvement of a senior employee in the Pentagon.
The American official added that the employee suspected of leaking the documents is an American of Iranian origin named Ariane Tabatabai.
Ariane Tabatabai is an Iranian-American scholar of political science, writer, and senior policy advisor to the United States Department of Defense. After the Biden administration took office in January 2021, she joined the US negotiating team in nuclear negotiations with Iran. Between 2021 and 2022, she served as an advisor to Robert Malley, the chief promoter of pushing a deal with Iran at any cost.
Members of the US Congress, especially Republicans, have pointed out that Robert Malley was investigated after being suspected of having dealt with classified information without prior permission and of having secret contacts with Iranian figures.
More here: https://www.jewishpress.com/news/us...leaking-retaliation-plans-to-iran/2024/10/22/
last year there was an article about how Iranian spy Robert Malley helped to infiltrate her into high office in the Pentagon. His efforts have now come home to roost. Biden was warned and he did nothing.
High-Level Iranian Spy Ring Busted in Washington
The trail that leads from Tehran to D.C. passes directly through the offices of Robert Malley and the International Crisis Group
byLee Smith
October 01, 2023
The Biden administration’s now-suspended Iran envoy Robert Malley helped to fund, support, and direct an Iranian intelligence operation designed to influence the United States and allied governments, according to a trove of purloined Iranian government emails. The emails, which were reported on by veteran Wall Street Journal correspondent Jay Solomon, writing in Semafor, and by Iran International, the London-based émigré opposition outlet which is the most widely read independent news source inside Iran, were published last week after being extensively verified over a period of several months by the two outlets. They showed that Malley had helped to infiltrate an Iranian agent of influence named Ariane Tabatabai into some of the most sensitive positions in the U.S. government—first at the State Department and now the Pentagon, where she has been serving as chief of staff for the assistant secretary of defense for special operations, Christopher Maier.
On Thursday, Maier told a congressional committee that the Defense Department is “actively looking into whether all law and policy was properly followed in granting my chief of staff top secret special compartmented information.”
The emails, which were exchanged over a period of several years between Iranian regime diplomats and analysts, show that Tabatabai was part of a regime propaganda unit set up in 2014 by the Iranian Foreign Ministry. The Iran Experts Initiative (IEI) tasked operatives drawn from Iranian diaspora communities to promote Iranian interests during the clerical regime’s negotiations with the United States over its nuclear weapons program. Though several of the IEI operatives and others named in the emails have sought to portray themselves on social media as having engaged with the regime in their capacity as academic experts, or in order to promote better understanding between the United States and Iran, none has questioned the veracity of the emails.
The contents of the emails are damning, showing a group of Iranian American academics being recruited by the Iranian regime, meeting together in foreign countries to receive instructions from top regime officials, and pledging their personal loyalty to the regime. They also show how these operatives used their Iranian heritage and Western academic positions to influence U.S. policy toward Iran, first as outside “experts” and then from high-level U.S. government posts. Both inside and outside of government, the efforts of members of this circle were repeatedly supported and advanced by Malley, who served as the U.S. government’s chief interlocutor with Iran under both the Obama and the Biden administrations. Malley is also the former head of the International Crisis Group (ICG), which directly paid and credentialed several key members of the regime’s influence operation.
More here: https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/israel-middle-east/articles/iran-spy-ring-robert-malley-lee-smith
Lloyd Austin needs to be fired as well.
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