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[Noor]

Ok, I get it. Israel is better than everyone at everything—including terrorist attacks. Happy now?

Sorry, but that’s a bullshit justification.

You think having a your people massacred makes you better?
Don’t understand the math?
Israel is fight war on multiple fronts, war is not terrorist attacks.
Maybe you just hate Israel and it’s coloring your logic?

 

[Deleted member 6736302]

Quoting the Lancet letter doesn't help your case. Spreading disinformation doesn't help the Palestinians or the Lebanese. Destroying Hamas and Hezbollah helps the Palestinians and Lebanese.

You’ve given a link to the Jerusalem Post, a newspaper - actually, rag - from Israel, posting actual propaganda, trying to undermine the credibility of one of the world’s foremost medical journals.

I know exactly who I will trust more, thank you.

You are a certified genocide denier and Zionist nutcase anyway - your opinion on things is of no relevance to me.

But I am challenging your post because others might not be so informed and think you have any shred of credibility.

Which you don’t.

 

[Deleted member 6736302]

You think having a your people massacred makes you better?
Don’t understand the math?
Israel is fight war on multiple fronts, war is not terrorist attacks.
Maybe you just hate Israel and it’s coloring your logic?

You’re another genocidal zionist lunatic.

Israel has attacked and killed:

• Palestinians in Palestine
• Lebanese in Lebanon
• Iranians in Iran
• Syrians in Syria
• Yemenis in Yemen

Has carried out multiple assassinations (against international law) in multiple countries, and now targeted and injured UN Peacekeepers on the blue line in the last day.

The total death toll from Israel’s campaign of terror and hatred is over 45,000 now across multiple countries if you believe the UN figures (and why wouldn’t you?)

If Israel wants to survive long term, it should stop invading and bombing its neighbours and the people it occupies.

If Israel and its supporters want to stop being called Nazis and Genociders, then they should stop acting like Nazis and Genociders.

It’s very simple.

 

[Deleted member 6736302]

To Israel it compares. the number of dead , 1200 is a larger percentage of the Israeli population than the 9/11 dead for the US population.

So for the Palestinians, 42,000 dead of a population in Gaza of 2.3 million is a larger percentage than either of those.

Watch Noor argue against her own logic shortly.

 

[Rightguide]

https://www.un.org/en/genocidepreve...n and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide.pdf



I’ve bolded the important bits for you as well.

You Zionists really will say and do anything to justify emptying Palestine of Palestinians. Including the logic “we’re only killing people of the same race in a different location, because we’re not killing them all it’s not a genocide”.

Braindead, unintelligent, uneducated racist, genodical nutcases the lot of you. Israel’s reputation and its future is literally in the bin right now. You and others like you put it there. Shame on you.

I know what the law says.

So enlighten us, was the war against the Japanese in WWII, or the war against the North Koreans and the Chinese in 1950, a genocide? What about our wars in Afghanistan and Iraq? How about the war in Vietnam, was that a genocidal pursuit as well? Our intent in those wars was to destroy "in part" members of a national, ethnical, racial, group. So take your "braindead, unintelligent, uneducated, racist" blather and shove it up your ignorant ass.

 

[Rightguide]

You’ve given a link to the Jerusalem Post, a newspaper - actually, rag - from Israel, posting actual propaganda, trying to undermine the credibility of one of the world’s foremost medical journals.

I know exactly who I will trust more, thank you.

You are a certified genocide denier and Zionist nutcase anyway - your opinion on things is of no relevance to me.

But I am challenging your post because others might not be so informed and think you have any shred of credibility.

Which you don’t.

^^^
Certified nut

 

[Rightguide]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1844719988965306535

The price can be heavy when you allow terrorists to take up residence in your country and attack your neighbors.

 

[Rightguide]

The American media is the enemy:

Does CBS News Know Where Jerusalem Is?​

‘Do not refer to it as being in Israel,’ said the network’s senior director of standards and practices.

By Oliver Wiseman
October 9, 2024
https://archive.is/d1fil#

In late August, Mark Memmott, the senior director of standards and practices at CBS News, sent an email to all CBS News employees reminding them to “be careful with some terms when we talk or write about the news” from Israel and Gaza. One of the words on Memmott’s list of terms was Jerusalem.

Of Jerusalem, Memmott wrote: “Do not refer to it as being in Israel.”

He continued, in a note sent to thousands of journalists at the network: “Yes, the U.S. embassy is there and the Trump administration recognized it as being Israel’s capital. But its status is disputed. The status of Jerusalem goes to the heart of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Israel regards Jerusalem as its ‘eternal and undivided’ capital, while the Palestinians claim East Jerusalem—occupied by Israel in the 1967 Middle East war—as the capital of a future state.”

Jerusalem’s status is indeed contested. For instance, the United States’ embassy in Israel is in Jerusalem, and the Jordanian Islamic Waqf has custody of its holy sites. But acknowledging the competing claims on different parts of the city, or declining to refer to Jerusalem as Israel’s capital, are one thing. Denying that it is in Israel at all is quite another.

More here on leftwing nonsense: https://archive.is/d1fil#selection-1779.0-1959.228

 

[ll74]

The American media is the enemy:

Does CBS News Know Where Jerusalem Is?​

‘Do not refer to it as being in Israel,’ said the network’s senior director of standards and practices.

By Oliver Wiseman
October 9, 2024
https://archive.is/d1fil#

In late August, Mark Memmott, the senior director of standards and practices at CBS News, sent an email to all CBS News employees reminding them to “be careful with some terms when we talk or write about the news” from Israel and Gaza. One of the words on Memmott’s list of terms was Jerusalem.

Of Jerusalem, Memmott wrote: “Do not refer to it as being in Israel.”

He continued, in a note sent to thousands of journalists at the network: “Yes, the U.S. embassy is there and the Trump administration recognized it as being Israel’s capital. But its status is disputed. The status of Jerusalem goes to the heart of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Israel regards Jerusalem as its ‘eternal and undivided’ capital, while the Palestinians claim East Jerusalem—occupied by Israel in the 1967 Middle East war—as the capital of a future state.”

Jerusalem’s status is indeed contested. For instance, the United States’ embassy in Israel is in Jerusalem, and the Jordanian Islamic Waqf has custody of its holy sites. But acknowledging the competing claims on different parts of the city, or declining to refer to Jerusalem as Israel’s capital, are one thing. Denying that it is in Israel at all is quite another.

More here on leftwing nonsense: https://archive.is/d1fil#selection-1779.0-1959.228

CBS really fucked up on this.

 

[deckardB26354]

You think having a your people massacred makes you better?
Don’t understand the math?
Israel is fight war on multiple fronts, war is not terrorist attacks.
Maybe you just hate Israel and it’s coloring your logic?

Yes, that’s right—I just have to be a hater of Israel because I have an opinion that doesn’t line up with yours, right? What’s that term that you so desperately want to use on me? Hmmm.

 

[Noor]

You’re another genocidal zionist lunatic.

Israel has attacked and killed:

• Palestinians in Palestine
• Lebanese in Lebanon
• Iranians in Iran
• Syrians in Syria
• Yemenis in Yemen

Has carried out multiple assassinations (against international law) in multiple countries, and now targeted and injured UN Peacekeepers on the blue line in the last day.

The total death toll from Israel’s campaign of terror and hatred is over 45,000 now across multiple countries if you believe the UN figures (and why wouldn’t you?)

If Israel wants to survive long term, it should stop invading and bombing its neighbours and the people it occupies.

If Israel and its supporters want to stop being called Nazis and Genociders, then they should stop acting like Nazis and Genociders.

It’s very simple.

You just going to ignore that all those group attack Israel first?
The only people who tried genocide was Hamas who broke a ceasefire to murder 1200 people on a Saturday holiday. They even live streamed it using their go pros. It’s available on line, you can watch them killed, rape, murder, kidnap, burn families alive, bake babies and decapitate them. All capture on their own videos. Some of them called their parents to brag about. Hamas wants to kill Jews, they even say it themselves in press conferences. When people tell you they are murderers it’s wise to believe them.
Isreal is at war on multiple fronts, it’s war, people die in war.
When they retaliate to Iran’s last missle attack this week, they won’t be alone, Israel is not the only country that has had citizens killed by Iran and their proxies. Israel will win, I’m sure that’s hard to accept, but they will.

 

[Noor]

So for the Palestinians, 42,000 dead of a population in Gaza of 2.3 million is a larger percentage than either of those.

Watch Noor argue against her own logic shortly.

War and a terror attack is totally different. Do you really not understand the difference?
We don’t count the numbers killed in response to 911. Of that supposed 42000, Hamas says they have lost 17000 of their men.

 

[Noor]

Yes, that’s right—I just have to be a hater of Israel because I have an opinion that doesn’t line up with yours, right? What’s that term that you so desperately want to use on me? Hmmm.

Well do you hate Israel?

 

[deckardB26354]

Well do you hate Israel?

If you’d bother to read any of my posts about Israel (okay if you didn’t, but it makes me do more work), you’d see that I do not in fact hate Israel. What I hate is the fact that Israelis treat Palestinians with about as much respect as they treat Israelis—for the most part—but then you have these two fuckhead “governments” that make it all about annihilation (on both sides). The people that just want to live have their lives destroyed. Israelis are taught to hate Palestinians and vice versa.

Like I said before, this will not end until one side or the other is obliterated.

 

[butters]

just dropping this here as a thought:

someone asked why aren't people condemning as overtly the atrocities being committed by other countries when they're so vocal about Israel's? (though there has been widespread and damning condemnation of Russia's actions in Ukraine)

I'd suggest it's because Israel is an American ally, one which America helps enormously with funding and war-toys for its own defense. It is therefore DIRECTLY tied to the U.S in regards of how it comports itself in the war arena and its actions can create big problems for the U.S. When it demands help yet is loathe to work with the U.S in considering its responses and those responses bring the world closer to all-out global conflict, then Israel is much more likely to be criticized than some other country with no existing treaties or alliances with the U.S.

plus it's in the damned news all the time, so is a current talking point amongst the U.S population.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

If you’d bother to read any of my posts about Israel (okay if you didn’t, but it makes me do more work), you’d see that I do not in fact hate Israel. What I hate is the fact that Israelis treat Palestinians with about as much respect as they treat Israelis—for the most part—but then you have these two fuckhead “governments” that make it all about annihilation (on both sides). The people that just want to live have their lives destroyed. Israelis are taught to hate Palestinians and vice versa.

Like I said before, this will not end until one side or the other is obliterated.

“Both sides” arguments defend bad actors. Usually they’re deployed on this message board to defend Republicans, but the same is true when they’re used with the Palestinians and the Israelis.

Palestinians can be full citizens of Israel. They can vote in elections and serve in the government. There may be some discrimination against them, but it is minor compared to the apartheid practiced by the Palestinian Authority in Gaza and the West Bank.

Being Israeli in Gaza is a death sentence. The only Israelis in Gaza are the hostages taken on October 7th and the troops trying to rescue them. Israelis who wander into the wrong part of the West Bank will be lynched.

The hostility between the Palestinians and the Israelis is markedly one-sided.

 

[deckardB26354]

“Both sides” arguments defend bad actors. Usually they’re deployed on this message board to defend Republicans, but the same is true when they’re used with the Palestinians and the Israelis.

My “both sides” argument only defends those that wish to live in peace. I’m not using it like you are in a very “Charlottesville-esque” way in trying to excuse away violence because one side is supposedly as worse as the other.

Palestinians can be full citizens of Israel. They can vote in elections and serve in the government. There may be some discrimination against them, but it is minor compared to the apartheid practiced by the Palestinian Authority in Gaza and the West Bank.

Well, that’s so nice of Israel, isn’t it? I’m sure it’s every Palestinian’s dream to be a citizen of Israel. It’s also nice of you to mention that there’s some discrimination against them and that it’s minor compared to the what the PA is doing in Gaza and the West Bank. I’m sure that they’d much rather live as a servant of Israel instead of living in their own country under their own set of laws, etc

What It’s Like to Be An Arab in Israel: Interviewing a Palestinian​

https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/what-its-like-to-be-an-arab-in-israel-interviewing-a-palestinian/

What are you upset about with Israel? How do you think these things can be improved?

The thing that upsets me the most, and I’m talking about my everyday life now as a Palestinian living in Israel—not about what’s happening at the moment—is that I’ve never felt respected here. I want to live respected and with dignity, but in Israel that’s not the case, whether it’s from the Israeli government officials (like going to the airport and being completely humiliated by how they treat, question, and search me and my family, even though we hold Israeli citizenships) to the civilians who just always look down on you like you’re lesser than them—not even as a “second class citizen,” but less than that, like someone who is not even a human.

Sounds a lot like living in the Jim Crow south to me—maybe with a tinge of apartheid thrown in?

Being Israeli in Gaza is a death sentence. The only Israelis in Gaza are the hostages taken on October 7th and the troops trying to rescue them. Israelis who wander into the wrong part of the West Bank will be lynched.

You post one example of violence in Gaza and now you’re starting to sound like “the only good Palestinian is a dead one,” right? Here’s another reason why this will continue until one side or the other is dead or gone—just like the Israeli foreign minister said about Palestinians.

The hostility between the Palestinians and the Israelis is markedly one-sided.

You may be right, but it might not be the side that you think.

Sounds like they have you trained pretty good, don’t they?

 

[RobDownSouth]

Nothing to see here, just a peaceful little pogrom against Christians in Jerusalem last month. This will all go away once Hamas surrenders...

https://www.reddit.com/r/MindBlowingThings/comments/1g2w78i/do_you_think_if_you_were_christian_you_would_be

 

[deckardB26354]

Another fine example of the “my god is better than your god” bullshit.

 

[Lazaran]

just dropping this here as a thought:

someone asked why aren't people condemning as overtly the atrocities being committed by other countries when they're so vocal about Israel's? (though there has been widespread and damning condemnation of Russia's actions in Ukraine)

I'd suggest it's because Israel is an American ally, one which America helps enormously with funding and war-toys for its own defense. It is therefore DIRECTLY tied to the U.S in regards of how it comports itself in the war arena and its actions can create big problems for the U.S. When it demands help yet is loathe to work with the U.S in considering its responses and those responses bring the world closer to all-out global conflict, then Israel is much more likely to be criticized than some other country with no existing treaties or alliances with the U.S.

plus it's in the damned news all the time, so is a current talking point amongst the U.S population.

I believe what is being criticized, is the lack of criticism of Hamas, Iran, Hezbollah, and the Houthis, etc - because they, like Russia, are the aggressors in / instigators of this crisis - and the excessive focus on / scrutiny of the Israel - Hamas conflict. (Especially Israel’s actions.)

Criticizing Israel is like criticizing Ukraine.



You are correct in believing that the goal of the genocidal Arabs / Muslims is to have the U.S. stop supporting Israel militarily, etc. (That was / is the entire point of Hamas, etc, continuing the conflict by refusing to release the hostages, launching attacks from civilian areas, and then screaming and crying every time Israel retaliates, while simultaneously blaming Israel alone for the civilian casualties that Hamas, etc, are ultimately responsible for.)

Fuck that ^ !!!

 

[Lazaran]

Nothing to see here, just a peaceful little pogrom against Christians in Jerusalem last month. This will all go away once Hamas surrenders...

https://www.reddit.com/r/MindBlowingThings/comments/1g2w78i/do_you_think_if_you_were_christian_you_would_be

Seriously, Rob???



That video has about as much context as that video you posted where the older Muslim girl attacks the younger Jewish girl for "something"…

 

[deckardB26354]

Criticizing Israel is like criticizing Ukraine.

You are correct in believing that the goal of the genocidal Arabs / Muslims is to have the U.S. stop supporting Israel militarily, etc. (That was / is the entire point of Hamas, etc, continuing the conflict by refusing to release the hostages, launching attacks from civilian areas, and then screaming and crying every time Israel retaliates, while simultaneously blaming Israel alone for the civilian casualties that Hamas, etc, are ultimately responsible for.)

Bullshit. Ukraine is not bombing schools, homes, hospitals and the like and starving out blockaded and occupied Russians.

Any time that the word “genocide” is used against Israel it’s all OMG YOU ANTI-SEMITES YOU ALL HATE ISRAEL!!, but here you can use it like you’re talking about the weather. Funny that.

 

[Hel_Books]

Or … the Islamic regime in Iran is overthrown by an internal revolution. Hamas and Hezbollah collapse because their leadership has been eliminated and they no longer have Iran’s backing, Lebanon and the new government of Iran sign peace treaties with Israel.

I worry that Hamas might execute the remaining hostages out of spite if the IDF can’t get to them in time, but otherwise prospects are looking good for peace in the Middle East.

Predicting is hard about the future of the Middle East. In 1948 when the last of the empires dissolved (and there have been so many empires. Here is a sampling: Alexander the Great, Rome, the Moslem invasion under al-Khattab, the Ottomans, the British . . . .) the smart money would not have bet that the Israelis would have been able to keep the little postage stamp they were allocated, but they survived, as they have for five thousand years, at least.

Last year, nobody would have predicted (well, the Israeli border guards did warn, but they were somehow ignored) that the Moslems would have been able to perpetrate the greatest slaughter of Jews since the days of the Nazis.

It seems anything is possible, from the Iranians starting a nuclear war that sterilizes the whole Middle East to the Gaza residents being evacuated to Egypt (lots of space there, just look at the map!) and the Fatah Palestinian Authority people moving into Jordan.

 

[Lazaran]

Bullshit. Ukraine is not bombing schools, homes, hospitals and the like and starving out blockaded and occupied Russians.

Any time that the word “genocide” is used against Israel it’s all OMG YOU ANTI-SEMITES YOU ALL HATE ISRAEL!!, but here you can use it like you’re talking about the weather. Funny that.

You omitted a fairly important part of my comment:

I believe what is being criticized, is the lack of criticism of Hamas, Iran, Hezbollah, and the Houthis, etc - because they, like Russia, are the aggressors in / instigators of this crisis - and the excessive focus on / scrutiny of the Israel - Hamas conflict. (Especially Israel’s actions.)

Hope that ^ helps.

 

[Hel_Books]

Iran is the problem. At least five Presidents have promised the Iranians would never get a nuclear weapon, except Joe Biden. By being weak on Iran, giving them billions upon billions, and not enforcing American sanctions, Joe Biden has funded this war against Israel. The bottom line is if Joe won't do it, Israel will have to go after Iran's nuclear infrastructure in order to survive as a nation.

On the other hand, if nuclear weapons could help a nation advance its foreign policy, why have countries like the USA, Russia and the UK seen their influence in the world weaken so much? Even China's growing nuke arsenal is so much bluster when it comes to Taiwan!

What would Iran do if it built a bomb? Say, "We demand <fill in the blank> and if you don't accede to our demand we will nuke you!" Doesn't seem too productive, does it?

The United States is loaded with nukes. Didn't stop Hamas from kidnapping their citizens last October 7.